It's all a pretence ... No one keeps the feasts of Jehovah today.

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Given all this talk about Satan ruling this world and rabbinic Judaism being a non-christian religion and all the folk who want to keep the old covenant feasts as some kind of religious observance based on the times and seasons and new moons determined by the rabbis today ought a careful reader to conclude that all the feast day observance is derived from religious groups under Satan's rule? Or are the folk who want to follow the lead of rabbinic Judaism in keeping the feasts without priests to sacrifice and without a temple in which to sacrifice and without any sacrifices going to claim that modern day Judaism is true and godly and good?

One.... linking Judaism [those who know not Yeshua] with Satan ... is not correct. So how can I answer an inappropriate question, that is very anti-semantic [Do you mean anti-semitic]. I called the kettle black.

So basically by dodging the question you believe that you've justified your claims about Christians needing to keep the feasts of the old covenant according to the traditions of the rabbis with no sacrifices, no temple, no priests to offer sacrifices despite the old covenant scriptures commanding that sacrifices be made by a priest descended from Aaron in the tabernacle/temple?
 

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So basically by dodging the question you believe that you've justified your claims about Christians needing to keep the feasts of the old covenant according to the traditions of the rabbis with no sacrifices, no temple, no priests to offer sacrifices despite the old covenant scriptures commanding that sacrifices be made by a priest descended from Aaron in the tabernacle/temple?
You don't even understand that the old covenant is renewed in the new covenant... As I said Before I am surprised you do not understand the role Yeshua fulfilled and fulfills... when you mention the list of no sacrifices [Yeshua, our lamb of God], no temple, no priests [Yeshua as our High Priest in the Heavenly Temple].... so here is where Moses illustration in the sand, is revealed in the reality.

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

As Yeshua said...

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
 

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You don't even understand that the old covenant is renewed in the new covenant

Not renewed. Replaced. The old covenant's laws and ordinances are abolished: "by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace" (Ephesians 2:15). The old covenant ministered condemnation and death by its commandments: "The Law was carved in letters on stone tablets, and God's glory appeared when it was given. Even though the brightness on Moses' face was fading, it was so strong that the people of Israel could not keep their eyes fixed on him. If the Law, which brings death when it is in force, came with such glory, how much greater is the glory that belongs to the activity of the Spirit! The system which brings condemnation was glorious; how much more glorious is the activity which brings salvation!" (2 Corinthians 3:7-9)

... As I said Before I am surprised you do not understand the role Yeshua fulfilled and fulfills... when you mention the list of no sacrifices [Yeshua, our lamb of God], no temple, no priests [Yeshua as our High Priest in the Heavenly Temple].... so here is where Moses illustration in the sand, is revealed in the reality.

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

As Yeshua said...

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

The rest of what you've written has been answered many times in this thread. The sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ is made under a new Law with a new Priesthood and not the old and powerless Law and priesthood through Aaron. This is directly stated in the letter to the Hebrews in these words: "It was on the basis of the levitical priesthood that the Law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the levitical priests had been perfect, there would have been no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek, not of Aaron. For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law. And our Lord, of whom these things are said, belonged to a different tribe, and no member of his tribe ever served as a priest. It is well known that he was born a member of the tribe of Judah; and Moses did not mention this tribe when he spoke of priests. The matter becomes even plainer; a different priest has appeared, who is like Melchizedek. He was made a priest, not by human rules and regulations, but through the power of a life which has no end. For the scripture says, "You will be a priest forever, in the priestly order of Melchizedek." The old rule, then, is set aside, because it was weak and useless. For the Law of Moses could not make anything perfect. And now a better hope has been provided through which we come near to God." (Hebrews 7:11-19)
 

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In other words the priesthood was brought into the spiritual and our temple is heavenly but it is still there in the spiritual. You Old Covenant was built upon and made better, not abolished.
 

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In other words the priesthood was brought into the spiritual and our temple is heavenly but it is still there in the spiritual. You Old Covenant was built upon and made better, not abolished.

No. The Priests descended from Aaron are not in the heavenly temple except for those who are Christians. But of they are Christians then they no longer serve the earthly temple (now destroyed) nor do they offer earthly sacrifices (lambs, goats, bulls, and grains etcetera). The priest that serves in the heavenly temple is the Lord Jesus Christ. He made an offering of his own flesh and blood. He made it once. It is eternal in effect and infinite in value. That is why the faithful are washed in the blood of the lamb. Not because they time travel with some kind of machine to make time travel possible but because they are incorporated into Christ and the flesh & blood that he offered is also their flesh and blood through union with him. That is why the offering that is made in the mass is OUR offering (the priest's and the congregation's) and why it is an offering of praise as well as atonement.
 

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No. The Priests descended from Aaron are not in the heavenly temple except for those who are Christians. But of they are Christians then they no longer serve the earthly temple (now destroyed) nor do they offer earthly sacrifices (lambs, goats, bulls, and grains etcetera). The priest that serves in the heavenly temple is the Lord Jesus Christ. He made an offering of his own flesh and blood. He made it once. It is eternal in effect and infinite in value. That is why the faithful are washed in the blood of the lamb. Not because they time travel with some kind of machine to make time travel possible but because they are incorporated into Christ and the flesh & blood that he offered is also their flesh and blood through union with him. That is why the offering that is made in the mass is OUR offering (the priest's and the congregation's) and why it is an offering of praise as well as atonement.
We are priest or at least the Word says we are, of course being a priest isnt much good if you dont knpw what to do
 

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We are priest or at least the Word says we are, of course being a priest isnt much good if you dont knpw what to do

Christians are kings and priests to God because Christians are united to Christ who is the high priest of the new and better covenant. Christians make no animal sacrifices, keep no feats that require animal sacrifices, and rely on no priests descended from Aaron to make sacrifices for them.
 

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However we are priests under the hgih priest, Christ, so what does that mean what are we to do?
 

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Not renewed. Replaced. The old covenant's laws and ordinances are abolished: "by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace" (Ephesians 2:15). The old covenant ministered condemnation and death by its commandments: "The Law was carved in letters on stone tablets, and God's glory appeared when it was given. Even though the brightness on Moses' face was fading, it was so strong that the people of Israel could not keep their eyes fixed on him. If the Law, which brings death when it is in force, came with such glory, how much greater is the glory that belongs to the activity of the Spirit! The system which brings condemnation was glorious; how much more glorious is the activity which brings salvation!" (2 Corinthians 3:7-9)



The rest of what you've written has been answered many times in this thread. The sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ is made under a new Law with a new Priesthood and not the old and powerless Law and priesthood through Aaron. This is directly stated in the letter to the Hebrews in these words: "It was on the basis of the levitical priesthood that the Law was given to the people of Israel. Now, if the work of the levitical priests had been perfect, there would have been no need for a different kind of priest to appear, one who is in the priestly order of Melchizedek, not of Aaron. For when the priesthood is changed, there also has to be a change in the law. And our Lord, of whom these things are said, belonged to a different tribe, and no member of his tribe ever served as a priest. It is well known that he was born a member of the tribe of Judah; and Moses did not mention this tribe when he spoke of priests. The matter becomes even plainer; a different priest has appeared, who is like Melchizedek. He was made a priest, not by human rules and regulations, but through the power of a life which has no end. For the scripture says, "You will be a priest forever, in the priestly order of Melchizedek." The old rule, then, is set aside, because it was weak and useless. For the Law of Moses could not make anything perfect. And now a better hope has been provided through which we come near to God." (Hebrews 7:11-19)
That is why I created a thread on the subject of ordinances, statutes, and the Law of God, so that you can understand there is a difference, and what it entails.
 

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Christians are kings and priests to God because Christians are united to Christ who is the high priest of the new and better covenant. Christians make no animal sacrifices, keep no feats that require animal sacrifices, and rely on no priests descended from Aaron to make sacrifices for them.
But can still keep the feasts, sabbaths of the Lord.
 

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The Feasts are called in Hebrew, Mo'edim, which actually means "times" or "appointed times." They are God's appointed times to celebrate. He has a reason for doing this and it wasn't just a harvest festival. This is the plan of redemption. It is prophetic. Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts with His first coming and He will fulfill the fall feasts with His second coming. I believe our God wants us to be aware of the truth of history and that he plans to restore to us blessings from our roots in Israel. We may be wise to loosen our grasp on some of our traditions in case we find ourselves at fault like the religious people of Yeshua's day, to whom he quoted Isaiah 29:13 when He said

Mark 7:8 "You have let go of the commands of GOD and are holding on to the traditions of men."
 
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The Feasts are called in Hebrew, Mo'edim, which actually means "times" or "appointed times." They are God's appointed times to celebrate. He has a reason for doing this and it was just a harvest festival. This is the plan of redemption. It is prophetic. Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts with His first coming and He will fulfill the fall feasts with His second coming. I believe our God wants us to be aware of the truth of history and that he plans to restore to us blessings from our roots in Israel. We may be wise to loosen our grasp on some of our traditions in case we find ourselves at fault like the religious people of Yeshua's day, to whom he quoted Isaiah 29:13 when He said

Mark 7:8 "You have let go of the commands of GOD and are holding on to the traditions of men."

Amen.
 

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Here are some quotes that show that the earliest believers followed the Feast Days..

John Chrysostom said, "The festivals of the .. Jews are soon to march upon us one after the other and in quick succession: the feast of Trumpets, the feast of Tabernacles, the fasts. There are many in our ranks who say they think as we do. "


When, it says, the day of Pentecost was fully come: that is, when at the Pentecost, while about it, in short. For it was essential that the present events likewise should take place during the feast, that those who had witnessed the crucifixion of Christ, might also behold these...And, it says, there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men. The fact of their dwelling there was a sign of piety: that being of so many nations they should have left country, and home, and relations, and be abiding there...for it was Pentecost. (Chrysostom J. The homilies of S. John Chrysostom, Archbishop of Constantinople: on the Acts of the Apostles, Volume 1, Homily IV


St. Jerome (PL 25, 1529 & 1536-7) speaking of how the believers celebrated the Feast of Tabernacles…tells us that they gave the feast a millenarian significance


Eusebius recorded that Polycrates of Ephesus, around 195 A.D. wrote the following to the Roman Bishop Victor who, as the previous writing showed, wanted all who professed Christ to change Passover from the 14th of Nisan to Sunday:



We observe the exact day; neither adding, nor taking away. For in Asia also great lights have fallen asleep, which shall rise again on the day of the Lord’s coming, when he shall come with glory from heaven, and shall seek out all the saints. Among these are Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who fell asleep in Hierapolis; and his two aged virgin daughters, and another daughter, who lived in the Holy Spirit and now rests at Ephesus; and, moreover, John, who was both a witness and a teacher, who reclined upon the bosom of the Lord, and, being a priest, wore the sacerdotal plate. He fell asleep at Ephesus. And Polycarp in Smyrna, who was a bishop and martyr; and Thraseas, bishop and martyr from Eumenia, who fell asleep in Smyrna. Why need I mention the bishop and martyr Sagaris who fell asleep in Laodicea, or the blessed Papirius, or Melito, the Eunuch who lived altogether in the Holy Spirit, and who lies in Sardis, awaiting the episcopate from heaven, when he shall rise from the dead? All these observed the fourteenth day of the passover according to the Gospel, deviating in no respect, but following the rule of faith. And I also, Polycrates, the least of you all, do according to the tradition of my relatives, some of whom I have closely followed. For seven of my relatives were bishops; and I am the eighth. And my relatives always observed the day when the people put away the leaven. I, therefore, brethren, who have lived sixty-five years in the Lord, and have met with the brethren throughout the world, and have gone through every Holy Scripture, am not affrighted by terrifying words. For those greater than I have said ‘ We ought to obey God rather than man’ (Eusebius. Church History, Book V, Chapter 24.





Irenaeus records this about Passover in reference to Polycarp: And when the blessed Polycarp was sojourning in Rome in the time of Anicetus, although a slight controversy had arisen among them as to certain other points…For neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp to forego the observance [in his own way], inasmuch as these things had been always observed by John the disciple of our Lord, and by other apostles with whom he had been conversant; nor, on the other hand, could Polycarp succeed in persuading Anicetus to keep [the observance in his way], for he maintained that he was bound to adhere to the usage of the presbyters who preceded him.


Apollinaris, wrote: "There are, then, some who through ignorance raise disputes about these things (though their conduct is pardonable: for ignorance is no subject for blame — it rather needs further instruction…)… The fourteenth day, the true Passover of the Lord; the great sacrifice, the Son of God instead of the lamb, who was bound, who bound the strong, and who was judged, though Judge of living and dead, and who was delivered into the hands of sinners to be crucified, who was lifted up on the horns of the unicorn, and who was pierced in His holy side, who poured forth from His side the two purifying elements, water and blood, word and spirit, and who was buried on the day of the passover, the stone being placed upon the tomb" From the Book Concerning Passover
 

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The same day that the Jews were celebrating God’s giving of His Torah on tablets of stone, the Holy Spirit came and wrote His Torah in His people’s hearts.
 

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The Feasts are called in Hebrew, Mo'edim, which actually means "times" or "appointed times." They are God's appointed times to celebrate. He has a reason for doing this and it wasn't just a harvest festival. This is the plan of redemption. It is prophetic. Yeshua fulfilled the spring feasts with His first coming and He will fulfill the fall feasts with His second coming. I believe our God wants us to be aware of the truth of history and that he plans to restore to us blessings from our roots in Israel. We may be wise to loosen our grasp on some of our traditions in case we find ourselves at fault like the religious people of Yeshua's day, to whom he quoted Isaiah 29:13 when He said

Mark 7:8 "You have let go of the commands of GOD and are holding on to the traditions of men."
Excellent
 

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