Can those called to serve forgive sins?

[George]

I'm referring to Priests, Pastors, those called to serve/ordained clergy, etc.

 

[psalms 91]

Only Jesus can forgive no man can

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'm referring to Priests, Pastors, those called to serve/ordained clergy, etc.

Jesus gave the power to forgive sins to his disciples.
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." (John 20:19-23)

 

[Josiah]

I'm referring to Priests, Pastors, those called to serve/ordained clergy, etc.

Not ONLY can clergy announce forgiveness, ALL Christians can. In fact, where there is repentance and faith, we are mandated to.




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[psalms 91]

In Jesus name, not on our own. We can pray for people and ask Jesus to forgive but it will be their repentance that brings it about

 

[Alithis]

I'm referring to Priests, Pastors, those called to serve/ordained clergy, etc.

another sticky issue? na not really

we have the power to forgive hose that sin against US and when we do so that account is not held against them by god

forgive and you will be forgiven .. dont forgive and neither will your sin be forgiven .

so presently i understand it as .. -we have power to declare a persons sin is forgiven when they repent and are baptised ..because we are agreeing with what god had already done .
and we have power to forgive people their sin against ourselves
but we do not have power to forgive their sin against God .. they must repent to God for that ..as the lord jesus said .. "repentance for the forgiveness of sin is to be preached "

 

[Lamb]

I'm referring to Priests, Pastors, those called to serve/ordained clergy, etc.

As MoreCoffee pointed out with scripture, Jesus gave the keys to the Church. We call our pastors/priests through the church to serve and part of that serving is to give us the forgiveness that Jesus won at the cross after we confess our sins in repentance. This is not the forgiveness of the pastors/priests, but the forgiveness that Jesus died for.

 

[MoreCoffee]

In Jesus name, not on our own. We can pray for people and ask Jesus to forgive but it will be their repentance that brings it about

John 20:19-23 does not specifically that one must say "in Jesus name" but if that is what one wants to say I am confident it is okay

 

[psalms 91]

John 20:19-23 does not specifically that one must say "in Jesus name" but if that is what one wants to say I am confident it is okay

Absolutely because a human cannot forgive sin as God can but can forgive the sinsthat are against them

 

[Rens]

Jesus gave the power to forgive sins to his disciples.
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." (John 20:19-23)

Yes, maybe because they were apostles or something. Never understood that. Or that text that you shouldn't pray for those who sin unto death. I have no idea what that is, so I just forgive anyone. I certainly don't have the authority to retain sins of others, the ac maybe.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes, maybe because they were apostles or something. Never understood that. Or that text that you shouldn't pray for those who sin unto death. I have no idea what that is, so I just forgive anyone. I certainly don't have the authority to retain sins of others, the ac maybe.

The authority was passed on to the bishops who were chosen by the apostles and from those to the next generation and so forth.

 

[Alithis]

The authority was passed on to the bishops who were chosen by the apostles and from those to the next generation and so forth.

bible verse to verify?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Jesus gave the power to forgive sins to his disciples.
On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, "Peace be with you." When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained." (John 20:19-23)

The authority was passed on to the bishops who were chosen by the apostles and from those to the next generation and so forth.

bible verse to verify?

See above.

 

[Alithis]

See above.

yeh i know the scriptures ..wheres the part about handing it on to bishops? the authority he gave is to "all' who will believe ..not a select few

 

[MoreCoffee]

yeh i know the scriptures ..wheres the part about handing it on to bishops? the authority he gave is to "all' who will believe ..not a select few

That's in 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. But I think that maybe you're asking for a verse that says exactly "the power to forgive sins is handed on to you, a bishop, and successor of the apostles"? You will not find such a verse but tell me something when you read the great commission do you believe it was handed on to those who followed the apostles through the ages.

 

[Alithis]

That's in 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus. But I think that maybe you're asking for a verse that says exactly "the power to forgive sins is handed on to you, a bishop, and successor of the apostles"? You will not find such a verse but tell me something when you read the great commission do you believe it was handed on to those who followed the apostles through the ages.

no i believe it is to ALL disciples of the lord Jesus .as he was telling his disciples ,to make disciples ,who make disciples,who make disciples ..recurring .
few beleivers today realize that they may be traditional christian but they are far from his disciples

 

[MoreCoffee]

no i believe it is to ALL disciples of the lord Jesus .as he was telling his disciples ,to make disciples ,who make disciples,who make disciples ..recurring .
few beleivers today realize that they may be traditional christian but they are far from his disciples

In my experience all Christians are called to make disciples and all think that the Great Commission applies to them as Christians. Do you think that all Christians are commissioned to forgive and to retain the sins of others?

 

[Lamb]

Ephesians 4:10-12New International Version (NIV)
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

Acts 20:28American Standard Version (ASV)
28 Take heed unto yourselves, and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit hath made you [a]bishops, to feed the church of the Lord which he purchased with his own blood.


1 Corinthians 4:1American Standard Version (ASV)
4 Let a man so account of us, as of ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

2 Corinthians 2:10-11American Standard Version (ASV)
10 But to whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also: for what I also have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, for your sakes have I forgiven it in the [a]presence of Christ; 11 that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

The verses above explain and support the office of the keys given to the Church by Christ and it's HIS forgiveness that is given that was won at the cross (purchased in his blood)!

 

[psalms 91]

Ephesians 4:10-12New International Version (NIV)
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

Acts 20:28American Standard Version (ASV)
28 Take heed unto yourselves, and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit hath made you [a]bishops, to feed the church of the Lord which he purchased with his own blood.


1 Corinthians 4:1American Standard Version (ASV)
4 Let a man so account of us, as of ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

2 Corinthians 2:10-11American Standard Version (ASV)
10 But to whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also: for what I also have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, for your sakes have I forgiven it in the [a]presence of Christ; 11 that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

The verses above explain and support the office of the keys given to the Church by Christ and it's HIS forgiveness that is given that was won at the cross (purchased in his blood)!

Yes His forgiveness, no man can forgive the sins of others, only the sins committed against him can he forgive and they still need to get forgiveness from Christ

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ephesians 4:10-12New International Version (NIV)
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up

Acts 20:28American Standard Version (ASV)
28 Take heed unto yourselves, and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit hath made you [a]bishops, to feed the church of the Lord which he purchased with his own blood.


1 Corinthians 4:1American Standard Version (ASV)
4 Let a man so account of us, as of ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

2 Corinthians 2:10-11American Standard Version (ASV)
10 But to whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also: for what I also have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, for your sakes have I forgiven it in the [a]presence of Christ; 11 that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

The verses above explain and support the office of the keys given to the Church by Christ and it's HIS forgiveness that is given that was won at the cross (purchased in his blood)!

There are no keys mentioned in any of the verses you quoted.