Passivity while other are destroyed will bring down Jehovah's wrath.

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A lesson from the Prophet Obadiah. When he delivered an oracle against Edom - the land of Esau who was Jacob's brother.

I thought verses 10 & 11 were interesting as I read the prophet's words this evening.

Because of the violence done to your brother Jacob, shame will cover you, and you will perish forever.

On the day when you stood off to the side, on the day when strangers took his army into captivity, when foreigners entered his gate and cast lots over Jerusalem, you acted like one of them.​

 

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Sort of makes you think that there is a time and place to use force doesnt it

 

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Sort of makes you think that there is a time and place to use force doesnt it

It made me think that there is a time to help refugees.

 

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Why pull only a few verses from the Prophet? It has been awhile. So I will reiterate an earlier statement. The Torah is a vast terrain.

15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.

20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

 

[psalms 91]

It made me think that there is a time to help refugees.

Wow it talks of standing idly by while they get wasted, it says fight or be in shame in this case

 

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I say both... helping both physically in the fight and if not able, then help the refugees.

 

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The passage mentions waylaying refugees when it is read in context. Naturally the quote I gave was of the two verses that struck me - I explained that in the first post. The full passages reads thus:

Vision of Obadiah: about Edom. I have received a message from Jehovah, a herald has been sent throughout the nations: 'Up! Let us march against this people. Into battle!' The Lord Jehovah says this: Look, I have reduced you to the smallest of nations, you are now beneath contempt. Your proud heart has misled you, you whose home is in the crannies of the Rock, who make the heights your dwelling, who think to yourself, 'Who can bring me down to earth?' Though you soar like an eagle, though you set your nest among the stars, I shall bring you down from there!-declares Jehovah. If thieves were to come to you (or robbers during the night) surely they would steal only as much as they wanted? If grape-pickers were to come to you, surely they would leave a few gleanings? But how you have been pillaged! How Esau has been looted, his hidden treasures routed out! Your allies all pursued you right to the frontier, your confederates kept you in suspense, then got the better of you, your own guests laid a trap for you, 'He has quite lost his wits.' When that day comes- declares Jehovah- shall I not eliminate sages from Edom and intelligence from Mount Esau? Your warriors, Teman, will be so demoralised that the people of Mount Esau will be massacred to the last one. For the slaughter, for the violence done to your brother Jacob, shame will cover you and you will be annihilated for ever. On the day, when you stood aloof while strangers carried off his riches, while foreigners passed through his gate and cast lots for Jerusalem, you were as bad as the rest of them. Do not feast your eyes on your brother on the day of his misfortune. Do not gloat over the children of Judah on the day of their ruin. Do not play the braggart on the day of distress. Do not enter my people's gate on their day of calamity. Do not, you especially, feast your eyes on their suffering on their day of calamity. Do not touch their possessions on their day of calamity.

Do not wait at the crossroads to annihilate their fugitives. Do not hand over their survivors on the day of distress. For the Day of Jehovah is near for all the nations. As you have done, so will it be done to you: your deeds will recoil on your own head. Just as you have drunk on my holy mountain, so will all the nations drink continually, they will drink, will drink greedily, but they will be as though they had never been!

But on Mount Zion will be those who have escaped -it will be a sanctuary- and the House of Jacob will recover what is rightfully theirs. Then the House of Jacob will be a fire, the House of Joseph a flame, and the House of Esau like stubble. They will set it alight and burn it up, and no one of the House of Esau will survive. Jehovah has spoken. People from the Negeb will occupy the Mount of Esau, people from the lowlands the country of the Philistines; they will occupy Ephraim and Samaria, and Benjamin will occupy Gilead. The exiles of this army, the sons of Israel, will have the Canaanites' land as far as Zarephthah, while the exiles from Jerusalem now in Sepharad will have the cities of the Negeb. Victorious, they will climb Mount Zion to rule over Mount Esau, and sovereignty will be Jehovah's!
(Obadiah 1:1-21)​

 

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Amen.
Love your neighbor.

 

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Amen.
Love your neighbor.

Amen, and who is your neighbour?

 

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Amen, and who is your neighbour?

Your neighbor is all not just who lives beside you

 

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Your neighbor is all not just who lives beside you

Amen. Your neighbours are those Syrian people who fled the civil war and seek relief in safe lands where they can live a good life like we do.

 

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Then quit looking at the USA all the time and give it to them

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then quit looking at the USA all the time and give it to them

Why not look at what USA policy and politics stands for since the USA so often holds forth its politics and its way of life as a paradigm for others to follow? Yet my comment was not about the USA and you appear to have read your nation into it. I do not know why you did that.

 

[psalms 91]

I guess because that was stated as not doing enough I believe

 

[pinacled]

Why pull only a few verses from the Prophet? It has been awhile. So I will reiterate an earlier statement. The Torah is a vast terrain.

15 For the day of the Lord is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.

17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.

18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.

19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.

20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.

21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

Glory Glory Hallelu Yah.
Ezekiel.
4And the glory of the LORD cameinto the house by the way of the gatefacing toward the east. 5And the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house.…

Ovadiah.
…17"But on Mount Zion there will be those who escape, And it will be holy. And the house of Jacob will possess their possessions. 18"Then the house of Jacobwill be a fire And the house of Joseph a flame;

Matthew.
…10The ax lies ready at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. 11I baptize you withwater for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whosesandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.