True religion and false worship.

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No all religions are true.
  • Many are polytheistic.
  • Some are centred on a philosophy rather than on gods and goddesses.
  • Several are centred on one God yet deny that Jesus is God incarnate and the Christ long anticipated in ancient Israel's religion.
One religion is true. It is centred on the Lord Jesus Christ. It is Christianity. Yet among Christians there are many sects and denominations.

The holy scriptures teach
  • Some forms or worship are not acceptable to God even though the worshippers say they are worshipping God: Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate, and broad is the way, which leads to perdition, and many there are who enter through it. How narrow is the gate, and how straight is the way, which leads to life, and few there are who find it! (Matthew 7:13-14) & But if anyone considers himself to be religious, but he does not restrain his tongue, but instead seduces his own heart: such a one"s religion is vanity. (James 1:26)
  • Some professed disciples of Christ do not worship God as God wants to be worshipped: Not all who say to me, "Lord, Lord," will enter into the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does the will of my Father, who is in heaven, the same shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and perform many powerful deeds in your name?" And then will I disclose to them: "I have never known you. Depart from me, you workers of iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23) & They claim that they know God. But, by their own works, they deny him, since they are abominable, and unbelieving, and reprobate, toward every good work. (Titus 1:16) & But why do you call me, "Lord, Lord," and not do what I say? Anyone who comes to me, and listens to my words, and does them: I will reveal to you what he is like. He is like a man building a house, who has dug deep and has laid the foundation upon the rock. Then, when the floodwaters came, the river was rushing against that house, and it was not able to move it. For it was founded upon the rock. But whoever hears and does not do: he is like a man building his house upon the soil, without a foundation. The river rushed against it, and it soon fell down, and the ruin of that house was great." (Luke 6:46-49)
  • These things characterise worship that God wants
    • Worship is to be given to God alone: Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan. For it has been written: "You shall adore the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve." " (Matthew 4:10) & You shall not adore and you shall not worship these things. For I am the Lord your God and I tolerate no rivals, repaying the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons to the third and fourth generation to those who hate me, and acting with mercy in thousands of ways to those who love me and keep my precepts. (Deuteronomy 5:9-10) & And eternal life means to know you, the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, whom you sent. (John 17:3)
    • Jesus Christ is central to faithful worship of God: Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not have life, but will remain under God's punishment. (John 3:36) & Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us. (Acts 4:12) & My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the Spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know whether it is God's Spirit: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus Christ came as a human being has the Spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the Spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the Enemy of Christ; you heard that it would come, and now it is here in the world already. (1 John 4:1-3)
    • What God reveals is what defines what God wants of worshippers: And in response he said, "It has been written: "Not by bread alone shall man live, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." " (Matthew 4:4)
    • The holy scriptures are central to learning and understanding what God has revealed: And so, we have an even firmer prophetic word, to which you would do well to listen, as to a light shining within a dark place, until the day dawns, and the daystar rises, in your hearts. (2 Peter 1:19) & Yet truly, you should remain in those things which you have learned and which have been entrusted to you. For you know from whom you have learned them. And, from your infancy, you have known the Sacred Scriptures, which are able to instruct you toward salvation, through the faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture, having been divinely inspired, is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in justice, so that the man of God may be perfect, having been trained for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:14-17)
    There are many more things that the holy scriptures reveal as characteristic of the kind of worship that God wants.
What do you believe is taught in the holy scriptures about worship that is acceptable to God?
 

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None of the folk in CH have beliefs about what the holy scriptures teach about worship that is acceptable to God?
 

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Worship Him who created Heaven and Earth... as He requires.
 

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Exactly what does he require?
You will have to ask Him... since He is Lord of the Sabbath... Since He said Worship the Father.. Since He said,

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
 

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Now you're being an obscurantist rather than answering the question.
 

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You are probably the only one who missed it. IT can not get any plainer than the Lord saying it Himself.
 

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You are probably the only one who missed it. IT can not get any plainer than the Lord saying it Himself.

If the Lord Jesus Christ said it then you'll be able to provide the specific passage(s) that contain his remarks about true and false worship and what is required of those who worship as the Lord commands.
 

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If the Lord Jesus Christ said it then you'll be able to provide the specific passage(s) that contain his remarks about true and false worship and what is required of those who worship as the Lord commands.


John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
 

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John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

That does not tell anybody HOW to worship which is the topic of this thread. Let the passage speak its truth fully and not cut short to one verse that does not address the question raised here. Let the holy scriptures have their full say:
Jesus *said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshippers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." (John 4:21-24)​
 

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in spirit and in truth -to worship him in truth means to give absolutely NO place for any lie or even any perception of a lie .nor any additive to the truth which does not originate from the word of God whose name is jesus and who IS truth ... thus when we observe practices which oppose truth we hav failed beforem we even began becaseu truth does not EVER originate in mankind but in God alone and without obdeince to him there is NO truth in our worship .
 

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To worship God in truth is to worship him without guile without lies without rules invented by people who want nothing more than to have a hand in the sacred like the sons of Aaron did when they reasoned that any fire they chose would serve as well as the fire that Jehovah commanded to be used - after all, they may have reasoned, fire is fire and nobody can tell the difference. Jehovah did not accept their fire. Jehovah knew the difference and rejected their offering and also rejected them consuming them with holy fire.

But before one can worship in truth one must worship in spirit. And that is a matter too subtle for the worldly to grasp.
 

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To worship God in truth is to worship him without guile without lies without rules invented by people who want nothing more than to have a hand in the sacred like the sons of Aaron did when they reasoned that any fire they chose would serve as well as the fire that Jehovah commanded to be used - after all, they may have reasoned, fire is fire and nobody can tell the difference. Jehovah did not accept their fire. Jehovah knew the difference and rejected their offering and also rejected them consuming them with holy fire.

But before one can worship in truth one must worship in spirit. And that is a matter too subtle for the worldly to grasp.
If so then why are we told to do so, if I cant grasp it then I cant do it
 

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If so then why are we told to do so, if I cant grasp it then I cant do it

If you were a worldly man I might expect you to have difficulty with the idea of worship in spirit but since you are Christian man I do not expect it.
 

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That does not tell anybody HOW to worship which is the topic of this thread. Let the passage speak its truth fully and not cut short to one verse that does not address the question raised here. Let the holy scriptures have their full say:
Jesus *said to her, "Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." (John 4:21-24)​
I would say ... start with worshiping Him on His Day He appointed...

Leviticus 23:3 "'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD

The ways you can worship Him

Psalm 95:6 Come, let us bow down in worship, let us kneel before the LORD our Maker;
Psalm 96:9 Worship the LORD in the splendor of his holiness; tremble before him, all the earth.

Challenge yourself to mentally just keep this day Holy by...

Isaiah 58:13 "If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the LORD's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, 14 Then you will take delight in the LORD, And I will make you ride on the heights of the earth; And I will feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father, For the mouth of the LORD has spoken."

That is a promise.. So put your finger on this verse, claim it, live it, and learn from Him. This is just between you and Him. Get real with Him on His Appointed Time. It is a date between you and your Creator/Redeemer. It is personal. It is real. It is as true as it gets. If you take delight in Him, honoring Him, obeying Him, listening to Him, studying His Words, they will come alive and live in you. You will find yourself on an amazing adventure with Him. Blessings will be poured upon you. This world will grow strangely dim in the light of His Glory and Grace.
 

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I would say ... start with worshiping Him on His Day He appointed...

Leviticus 23:3 "'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD

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The faithful do worship God on his appointed day, Sunday, the day on which the Lord rose from the dead and the day on which he sent the Holy Spirit to raise his church out of the dead religion of unfaithful Judaism.
 

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The faithful do worship God on his appointed day, Sunday, the day on which the Lord rose from the dead and the day on which he sent the Holy Spirit to raise his church out of the dead religion of unfaithful Judaism.

oh... well... you just missed out on meeting God.
 
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