Name those sins Christ didn't die for

[psalms 91]

I know why you're written the above but I wonder if it really has firm roots in the holy scriptures. It reads like a theory of the atonement that is not actually taught in the holy scriptures.

Actually it is, does it not say that those who dont believe are damned? And does it not say that those who have tasted the heavenly gift and continue in sin for them there is no second forgiveness?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Actually it is, does it not say that those who dont believe are damned? And does it not say that those who have tasted the heavenly gift and continue in sin for them there is no second forgiveness?

Yes, something similar to that is said in the holy scriptures. In fact it says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." (John 3:16-18)

 

[psalms 91]

exactly

 

[MoreCoffee]

exactly

The passage doesn't read like Lämmchen's post.

 

[Josiah]

They converted later, just like Paul when Stephen prayed that.

Quote the verse that states that.

And your point (if you can prove their LATER repentance) is that forgiveness PRECEDES repentance?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Quote the verse that states that.

And your point (if you can prove their LATER repentance) is that forgiveness PRECEDES repentance?

Perhaps the point is that prayer precedes the grant of what is prayed for.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes, something similar to that is said in the holy scriptures. In fact it says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." (John 3:16-18)

Nor like the King James but it does convey the same thing does it not?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Nor like the King James but it does convey the same thing does it not?

KJV and RSV do convey the same message.

 

[psalms 91]

exactly

 

[MoreCoffee]

It seems that aside from himself Christ died to benefit all human beings who receive him as saviour.

 

[psalms 91]

Yup

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yup

:bishop2:

 

[psalms 91]

rophet:

 

[MoreCoffee]

Did Christ die for the sins of those who do not receive him as saviour?

 

[psalms 91]

Of course He did but they did not accept that grace

 

[MoreCoffee]

Of course He did but they did not accept that grace

Are they benefited by his death?

 

[Lamb]

Did Christ die for the sins of those who do not receive him as saviour?

He died for all. Not everyone will benefit, only those with faith in order to believe.

 

[psalms 91]

Are they benefited by his death?

No if they dont accept it then they dont benefit

 

[Lamb]

Perhaps the point is that prayer precedes the grant of what is prayed for.

Forgiveness was part of God's plan from Genesis. We can even say that we had forgiveness there. It came to fruition in the Savior. It comes to us in our baptisms. It will come to us when we die and those with faith have eternal life.

Prayer isn't a cause of forgiveness. Repentance isn't a cause of our forgiveness. Christ dying and taking away the sin of the world is the cause. You either have a Savior or you have yourself. Which is it?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Forgiveness was part of God's plan from Genesis. We can even say that we had forgiveness there. It came to fruition in the Savior. It comes to us in our baptisms. It will come to us when we die and those with faith have eternal life.

Prayer isn't a cause of forgiveness. Repentance isn't a cause of our forgiveness. Christ dying and taking away the sin of the world is the cause. You either have a Savior or you have yourself. Which is it?

I can't help but think that the theology behind your statements attempts to mix eternity with time and ends up with confusion. Truly God knows all things from the beginning yet it is also true that men do not and that being time bound in this world men and women must plod through the moments of sin, repentance, forgiveness, and restoration one after the other.