The group in the Temple [Rev 11:1] Who are they?

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Just like the two given in the New, they are not new also as the first encompassed the first four of the twen commandments and the second encompassed the last six

No, I do not think anything is new in the sense of being completely unheard of but the new covenant is completely new insofar as Christ revealed what was hidden in types and shadows in the old covenant.
 
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True and the New improved on the old as all the covenants wee progressive
 

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True and the New improved on the old as all the covenants wee progressive

The new covenant not so much improved as exploded out of the old covenant to give life to the world. The new covenant is more glorious than anything conceived before. That God would himself come into the world and die for the benefit of his people is the glory that surpasses that of Moses. Second Corinthians chapter three tells the story in brief.
 

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The new covenant not so much improved as exploded out of the old covenant to give life to the world. The new covenant is more glorious than anything conceived before. That God would himself come into the world and die for the benefit of his people is the glory that surpasses that of Moses. Second Corinthians chapter three tells the story in brief.

The Decalogue in Sacred Scripture

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2057 The Decalogue must first be understood in the context of the Exodus, God's great liberating event at the center of the Old Covenant. Whether formulated as negative commandments, prohibitions, or as positive precepts such as: "Honor your father and mother," the "ten words" point out the conditions of a life freed from the slavery of sin. the Decalogue is a path of life: If you love the LORD your God, by walking in his ways, and by keeping his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, then you shall live and multiply.17 This liberating power of the Decalogue appears, for example, in the commandment about the sabbath rest, directed also to foreigners and slaves: You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm.18

2058 The "ten words" sum up and proclaim God's law: "These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. and he wrote them upon two tables of stone, and gave them to me."19 For this reason these two tables are called "the Testimony." In fact, they contain the terms of the covenant concluded between God and his people. These "tables of the Testimony" were to be deposited in "the ark."20

2059 The "ten words" are pronounced by God in the midst of a theophany (“The LORD spoke with you face to face at the mountain, out of the midst of the fire."21). They belong to God's revelation of himself and his glory. the gift of the Commandments is the gift of God himself and his holy will. In making his will known, God reveals himself to his people.

2060 The gift of the commandments and of the Law is part of the covenant God sealed with his own. In Exodus, the revelation of the "ten words" is granted between the proposal of the covenant 22 and its conclusion - after the people had committed themselves to "do" all that the Lord had said, and to "obey" it.23 The Decalogue is never handed on without first recalling the covenant (“The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.").24

2061 The Commandments take on their full meaning within the covenant. According to Scripture, man's moral life has all its meaning in and through the covenant. the first of the "ten words" recalls that God loved his people first: Since there was a passing from the paradise of freedom to the slavery of this world, in punishment for sin, the first phrase of the Decalogue, the first word of God's commandments, bears on freedom "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery."25

2062 The Commandments properly so-called come in the second place: they express the implications of belonging to God through the establishment of the covenant. Moral existence is a response to the Lord's loving initiative. It is the acknowledgement and homage given to God and a worship of thanksgiving. It is cooperation with the plan God pursues in history.

2063 The covenant and dialogue between God and man are also attested to by the fact that all the obligations are stated in the first person (“I am the Lord.") and addressed by God to another personal subject (“you"). In all God's commandments, the singular personal pronoun designates the recipient. God makes his will known to each person in particular, at the same time as he makes it known to the whole people: The Lord prescribed love towards God and taught justice towards neighbor, so that man would be neither unjust, nor unworthy of God.

Thus, through the Decalogue, God prepared man to become his friend and to live in harmony with his neighbor.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

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The Decalogue in Sacred Scripture ...

Why is it that people who disrespect the teaching of the Catholic Church copiously quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church yet completely misunderstand it. Catholics do not keep the feasts of ancient Israel. Surely that is known by all who take the time to observe or ask. Clearly the commandments play a role in the Catholic Church but not the kind of role that Hebrew Roots teachers and Messianics appear to imagine.
 

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Why is it that people who disrespect the teaching of the Catholic Church copiously quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church yet completely misunderstand it. Catholics do not keep the feasts of ancient Israel. Surely that is known by all who take the time to observe or ask. Clearly the commandments play a role in the Catholic Church but not the kind of role that Hebrew Roots teachers and Messianics appear to imagine.

You bounce, duck, and dodge. First we were talking about the TEN commandments, you know, the ones that you posted that 1 John wrote about..which I enlarged.... then I post your own faith's words... and you switch and talk about the feasts... If I respond to that, you jump to something else... because you don't like the fact that Paul said "keep the feast"... etc... As much as you want to circle the Camp of God.. until you enter in.. you are not part of His Kingdom. By the Way, His Camp was in the shape of the cross, with the Tabernacles and its services at its center... traveling through the wilderness of sin.. how symbolic is that...
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... we were talking about the TEN commandments ...

The thread is about the saints in the heavenly temple's precincts. You gave it the title The group in the Temple [Rev 11:1] Who are they? and the answer is the saints. No mention is made of "the ten commandments" in Revelation chapter eleven.
 

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dodge his own post?
 

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The ten commandments are regarded as a succinct summation of the moral obligations of God's people. What more need be said? The commandments of Christ are not found among the ten.
 

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Wow! So those two commandments do not encompass the ten? By the way if you look you will find nine of them in the New
 

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Wow! So those two commandments do not encompass the ten? By the way if you look you will find nine of them in the New

Interesting that you asked. Where, exactly, is there a command among the ten to love one's neighbour or a command to love one another as Christ has loved us?
 

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Thefirst one encompasses the first four and the last one encompasses the last six. Thus why Christ said that these fulfill the Law and the Prophets
 

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The first one encompasses the first four and the last one encompasses the last six. Thus why Christ said that these fulfill the Law and the Prophets

I know that you're making an effort to explain why you think that the ten commandments embrace all that is commanded in the new commandment given by the Lord but I can't help but feel that you're looking at it from the wrong end - sort of like looking through binoculars at the big lens end instead of through the eye pieces. The commandment given by the Lord (namely, love one another as I have loved you) is the eye piece end, so to speak, and when the ten commandments are seen through the lens of the new covenant commandment then the meaning of the ten commandments is revealed. But if you look from the ten commandments end to observe the meaning of the Lord's new commandment then it shrinks the new commandment down to a set of do and don't rules. The ten commandments are good when seen through the commandment to love but when they are not seen that way they become "the ministry of death engraved on stone".
 

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of course love what do you think the last six are about but to love your brother and the firsty four are to love God so love is an integral part
 

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You bounce, duck, and dodge. First we were talking about the TEN commandments, you know, the ones that you posted that 1 John wrote about..which I enlarged.... then I post your own faith's words... and you switch and talk about the feasts... If I respond to that, you jump to something else... because you don't like the fact that Paul said "keep the feast"... etc... As much as you want to circle the Camp of God.. until you enter in.. you are not part of His Kingdom. By the Way, His Camp was in the shape of the cross, with the Tabernacles and its services at its center... traveling through the wilderness of sin.. how symbolic is that...
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That is a nice illustration. So the fan is his left arm? Well that's what I saw. From this visual it seems to me there are 2 days. Hard to explain in words. But I saw something in Mathew ch 14 through 16 .
I'll try to put together an illustration soon.
 

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Wow! So those two commandments do not encompass the ten? By the way if you look you will find nine of them in the New

Actually all ten are in the new...
 

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which one can you not find?

You're playing coy with the request to list all ten of the ten commandments as new testament teaching binding upon Christians. Is it because you cannot do it? Is it because not all of the ten are rehearsed in the new testament as commands binding upon Christians? If it is not then you can give the passages where they are commanded as obligations for Christians.
 
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