God gave the feasts to Israel not to Christians under the new covenant.

[psalms 91]

then I assume you will since you wanted to debate that so strongly

 

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then I assume you will since you wanted to debate that so strongly

The topic for this thread is God gave the feasts to Israel not to Christians under the new covenant.

 

[psalms 91]

are you pulling off topic card you have used so often? Hate to tell you but if you want to discuss thenm discuss and dont play that card when it gets uncomfortable for you

 

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are you pulling off topic card you have used so often? Hate to tell you but if you want to discuss them discuss and don't play that card when it gets uncomfortable for you

It's nice to stick with the topic. Keeps people on the theme and stops too many side tracks springing up to dominate the discussion. But your comment in post #81 didn't make me uncomfortable it just seemed like it was leading nowhere.

 

[psalms 91]

Could be but lets face it if you want to talk feasts then you should at least discuss those who keep them and how

 

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Could be but lets face it if you want to talk feasts then you should at least discuss those who keep them and how

Does anybody keep them in compliance with Jehovah's commandments about them?

 

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Does anybody keep them in compliance with Jehovah's commandments about them?

I would hope so. Trust is apart and inseparable from faith. Just as his Word will not be broken. There is no need to dispute unless division is necessary. Yet certain things are pertained to be multiplied by His Word .
Pay close attention to detail and you will be made in His image.

 

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I would hope so. Trust is apart and inseparable from faith. Just as his Word will not be broken. There is no need to dispute unless division is necessary. Yet certain things are pertained to be multiplied by His Word .
Pay close attention to detail and you will be made in His image.

Pay close attention to the commandments of Jehovah concerning the feasts and you will know that without the shedding of a yearling male lamb's blood there can be no feast of passover.

 

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Pay close attention to the commandments of Jehovah concerning the feasts and you will know that without the shedding of a yearling male lamb's blood there can be no feast of passover.

Without Yeshua's sacrifice all that rehearsal would not be a memorial to us. Did you see "The Passion" ? Wasn't it a great memorial of the Passover that Yeshua fulfilled?

 

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Without Yeshua's sacrifice all that rehearsal would not be a memorial to us. Did you see "The Passion" ? Wasn't it a great memorial of the Passover the Yeshua fulfilled?

No, it was the sacrifice of God the Son for the sake of his people. Not a passover according to the commandments of the old covenant. It is the new covenant's one and only sacrifice, and Christ is himself the faithful's passover. A new passover in which the sins of the faithful are forgiven.

 

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1 Corinthians 5:7

Christ our passover] Meyer here remarks that St Paul regards Christ as having been slain on the day of the Paschal Feast. We may add that he also explains how the Last Supper was called by Christ a Passover (St Luke 22:15). For in truth it was a real Passover, though not the Passover of the old, but of the new Law, a standing witness to the fact that Christ has become our continual food (cf. Aquinas, Lauda Sion, cited by Dean Stanley, “Novum Pascha novæ legis”). Christ was the Passover,

• (1) because He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8), of which the Paschal Lamb was a type (cf. St John 19:36);
• (2) because His Blood, sprinkled on the soul, delivers us from the destroying angel;
• (3) because we feed on His Flesh and Blood (St John 6:51-57), and are thereby nourished for our escape from the ‘land of Egypt, the house of bondage.’

This is why we are to purge out the old leaven, because Christ, the Paschal Lamb, has been slain, and we are bidden to keep perpetual feast on Him. It is not improbable (see ch. 1Cor 16:8) that this Epistle was written about the time of the Passover. On this point consult Paley, Horae Paulinae in loc.

is sacrificed] Literally, was sacrificed, i.e. once for all. Cf. Heb 7:27; Heb 9:25-26; Heb 10:10. The more literal translation of the passage is, for our Passover was sacrificed, even Christ.

(From the Cambridge Commentary on the Bible)

 

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No, it was the sacrifice of God the Son for the sake of his people. Not a passover according to the commandments of the old covenant. It is the new covenant's one and only sacrifice, and Christ is himself the faithful's passover. A new passover in which the sins of the faithful are forgiven.

Wow... let's back up ... It is an old story but needs to be handed down, because the lesson taught here is lost on you.

The first references to the Lamb as sacrifice is in the powerful story of Abraham and Isaac. Genesis 22 tells us that God tested Abraham by commanding him, "...Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you" (Genesis 22:2).There is a world of unspoken communication in the exchange between father and son as Isaac asked, "Where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" Has there ever been a greater affirmation of faith than Abraham's response? "My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering" (Genesis 22:7-8).

The words, "For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, 'Not one of His bones shall be broken,'" are an explicit reference to the Passover Lamb in Exodus 12:46. We think of the Messianic "lamb led to the slaughter" in Isaiah 53:7, for example. Paul, an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi, wrote, “For Messiah, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed” (1 Cor. 5:7). Isaiah 53, referred to as “The Suffering Servant,” describes Yeshua as a Lamb led to the slaughter, and He is referred to as “the Lamb” not less than 34 times in the New Testament. The parallels between the Passover lamb and Yeshua are an awesome thing to study. John said He was the Lamb of God.

1.) Yeshua in accordance with Torah-law was selected four days before Passover and anointed (set apart) as the Lamb ( John 12:1).

2.) Ex 12:5 The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats.

The Passover lamb, according to the ordinance of Pesach, was to be in the prime of life and without blemish. Blemish refers to sin. Yeshua, our final and perfect atonement lived a sinless life.

3.) Ex 12:3 Tell the whole community of Israel that on the tenth day of this month each man is to take a lamb for his family, one for each household.

The Word of God is explicit in the Prophets and in the New Covenant that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. There is not one who is righteous. Everyone needs atonement to have a personal relationship with God. Just as each household required a lamb, the Word of God is clear that every individual needs atonement, a sacrifice for his sin. What we consider our righteousness before Him is really “as filthy rags” (Is. 64:6).

4.) Exodus 12:6 says that all the people must slaughter the “Passover lamb.” Messiah, our Passover Lamb, died for the sins of all the world so those who believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Yeshua said in John 10:17-18 that He alone had the authority to end His life. He laid down His life freely in order that the Scriptures would be fulfilled. Without His sacrificial act, we would have no redemption. The assembly killed Yeshua because He had to die—and chose to die for us as our Passover Lamb. Matthew 20:19 says He would be turned “over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. Messiah, our Passover Lamb, died for the sins of all the world so those who believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Yeshua said in John 10:17-18 that He alone had the authority to end His life. He laid down His life freely in order that the Scriptures would be fulfilled. Without His sacrificial act, we would have no redemption.

5.) They record that He was crucified at the same time the other lambs were slaughtered. He hung upon the Roman execution stake, upon which victims would suffer, yet not die for many hours. Executioners typically broke the victim’s legs to hasten death, yet the Passover lamb was not to have any broken bones. The Gospels tell us that the legs of the prisoners on either side of Jesus had to be broken, but when the Roman soldiers came to Yeshua, they found that he was already dead, [and] they did not break his legs” (John 19:33). Even in this detail we have a record of Yeshua fulfilling the ordinance of Passover.

But I don't understand how you have made no connection with Passover Lamb and Yeshua. I am amazed. Here the Lamb of God is revealed as the suffering, resurrected and triumphant servant of the Lord is none other than Yeshua, our Messiah in Revelation.

Rev 5: 6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain...Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!" 13:8-"...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

IT is the biggest theme in the gospel story.

 

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1 Corinthians 5:7

Christ our passover] Meyer here remarks that St Paul regards Christ as having been slain on the day of the Paschal Feast. We may add that he also explains how the Last Supper was called by Christ a Passover (St Luke 22:15). For in truth it was a real Passover, though not the Passover of the old, but of the new Law, a standing witness to the fact that Christ has become our continual food (cf. Aquinas, Lauda Sion, cited by Dean Stanley, “Novum Pascha novæ legis”). Christ was the Passover,

• (1) because He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8), of which the Paschal Lamb was a type (cf. St John 19:36);
• (2) because His Blood, sprinkled on the soul, delivers us from the destroying angel;
• (3) because we feed on His Flesh and Blood (St John 6:51-57), and are thereby nourished for our escape from the ‘land of Egypt, the house of bondage.’

This is why we are to purge out the old leaven, because Christ, the Paschal Lamb, has been slain, and we are bidden to keep perpetual feast on Him. It is not improbable (see ch. 1Cor 16:8) that this Epistle was written about the time of the Passover. On this point consult Paley, Horae Paulinae in loc.

is sacrificed] Literally, was sacrificed, i.e. once for all. Cf. Heb 7:27; Heb 9:25-26; Heb 10:10. The more literal translation of the passage is, for our Passover was sacrificed, even Christ.

(From the Cambridge Commentary on the Bible)

So let's keep the Passover Feasts...

Exodus 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

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Wow... let's back up ... ...

I prefer to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and not rely on feasts that involve the old priesthood and killing sheep, goats, bulls and other sacrificially clean animals.

 

[psalms 91]

So let's keep the Passover Feasts...

Exodus 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Yup lets just ignore forever

 

[visionary]

Yup lets just ignore forever

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

[visionary]

Romans 15:4: “For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.”

The result of learning what is written in the Old Testament is that we might have hope. And we all need hope!

1. The Old Testament points us to Yeshua.

“For” points back to the previous verse, where Paul cited Psalm 69:9, “The reproaches of those who reproached You fell on Me.” It’s amazing that to present Yeshua, the Jewish Messiah, as our example of self-sacrificing service, rather than pointing to an incident in the life of Yeshua Paul points to Scripture. Then he detours for one verse (15:4) to emphasize the importance of Scripture to instruct us so that we can endure trials with encouragement and hope.

The major point of the Old Testament is to testify to Yeshua is the promised Jewish Messiah. Yeshua rebuked the Jews for not reading the Old Testament in light of Him (John 5:39-40): “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.” After His resurrection, He told the two men on the Emmaus Road (Luke 24:25-27),

“O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?” Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.

Later He told the disciples (Luke 24:44), “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

This means that every part of the Old Testament must be interpreted in light of the person and work of Yeshua, the Passover Lamb, the Jewish Messiah, our Lord and Savior, King of the Jews, King of Kings. It may not directly relate to Yeshua, but it is part of a larger context that must be understood in light of who He is and what He came to do. Some things are obvious: the sacrificial system points to Yeshua as the final and complete Passover Lamb of God, who bore our sins on the cross. The Exodus illustrates and has many parallels with how God redeems us from slavery to sin. Some are less obvious. But it has been said that there are over 300 specific Old Testament prophecies that Yeshua fulfilled.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So let's keep the Passover Feasts...

Exodus 12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Isn't Exodus 12:14 about the feast of unleavened bread? It lasted seven days. But before the unleavened bread came the sacrifice of the passover lamb - a male lamb, a yearling, sacrificially clean and unspotted, that was killed and eaten by the Israelites. Like the holy scriptures say: "The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, "This month shall be for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year for you. Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month they shall take every man a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household; and if the household is too small for a lamb, then a man and his neighbour next to his house shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old; you shall take it from the sheep or from the goats; and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs in the evening. Then they shall take some of the blood, and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat them. They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat any of it raw or boiled with water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts. And you shall let none of it remain until the morning, anything that remains until the morning you shall burn. In this manner you shall eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD's passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgements: I am the LORD. The blood shall be a sign for you, upon the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague shall fall upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt." (Exodus 12:1-13) "forever" without a context is a pretext for false teaching.

The text is red because it has to do with shedding the blood of animal sacrifices.

 

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Isn't Exodus 12:14 about the feast of unleavened bread? It lasted seven days. But before the unleavened bread came the sacrifice of the passover lamb - a male lamb, a yearling, sacrificially clean and unspotted, that was killed and eaten by the Israelites. Like the holy scriptures say: "The LORD said to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, "This month shall be for you the beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year for you. Tell all the congregation of Israel that on the tenth day of this month they shall take every man a lamb according to their fathers' houses, a lamb for a household; and if the household is too small for a lamb, then a man and his neighbour next to his house shall take according to the number of persons; according to what each can eat you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old; you shall take it from the sheep or from the goats; and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs in the evening. Then they shall take some of the blood, and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat them. They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it. Do not eat any of it raw or boiled with water, but roasted, its head with its legs and its inner parts. And you shall let none of it remain until the morning, anything that remains until the morning you shall burn. In this manner you shall eat it: your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD's passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt that night, and I will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgements: I am the LORD. The blood shall be a sign for you, upon the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and no plague shall fall upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt." (Exodus 12:1-13) "forever" without a context is a pretext for false teaching.

The text is red because it has to do with shedding the blood of animal sacrifices.

And you haven't figured out that all shedding of animal blood in the rehearsal points to Yeshua's sacrificial work for us. During rehearsals, is anything real? During the actual event, is it real? During the memorial, is it done to immortalize the event?

 

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And you haven't figured out that all shedding of animal blood in the rehearsal points to Yeshua's sacrificial work for us. During rehearsals, is anything real? During the actual event, is it real? During the memorial, is it done to immortalize the event?

They were sacrifices not rehearsals. And it is not a question of what I've figured out it is a question of why you expect anybody to "keep the feasts" knowing that the feasts as commanded in the old covenant require sacrifices, priests of the tribe of Levi and house of Aaron, and the temple. It is absurd to say that anybody is keeping the feasts according to Jehovah's commandments when they ignore the sacrifices and priests and temple and just do whatever they think is a good substitute. It is quite wicked for anybody to offer to Jehovah what they imagine is good when what they've imagined is not according to Jehovah's commandments. Remember the punishment Aaron's sons received for offering strange fire to Jehovah? This is what Jehovah spoke, saying, 'By those who come near Me I will be treated as holy, And before all the people I will be honoured.' (see Leviticus 10:1-3)