It's all a pretence ... No one keeps the feasts of Jehovah today.

[MoreCoffee]

It's all a pretence when folk claim to be keeping the feasts commanded by Jehovah through Moses. It's all fake. Take a look at what is commanded for observing the feasts.

Passover:

Now Jehovah spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.'" (Exodus 12:1-6)​

No one does this. No one takes a lamb and kills it. It's just a pretence when people say that they keep this feast according to the commandments.
First Fruits:

And Jehovah said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest; and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, that you may find acceptance; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:9-12)​

No one does this. No one seeks out a priest of the tribe of Levi and the house of Aaron to wave the first fruits of their farm's harvest before Jehovah in his tabernacle. No one sacrifices a lamb. It's all a fake when people claim to be keeping this feast.
Pentecost:

"And you shall count from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven full weeks shall they be, counting fifty days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a cereal offering of new grain to Jehovah. You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to Jehovah. And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one young bull, and two rams; they shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their cereal offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire, a pleasing odour to Jehovah. And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits as a wave offering before Jehovah, with the two lambs; they shall be holy to Jehovah for the priest. And you shall make proclamation on the same day; you shall hold a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work: it is a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. "And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field to its very border, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest; you shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am Jehovah your God." (Leviticus 23:15-22)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the seven lambs, one bull, two rams, a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Pentecost. It's all a pretence.
Trumpets:

"On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, a pleasing odour to Jehovah: one young bull, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their cereal offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you; besides the burnt offering of the new moon, and its cereal offering, and the continual burnt offering and its cereal offering, and their drink offering, according to the ordinance for them, a pleasing odour, an offering by fire to Jehovah. (Numbers 29:1-6)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the one bull, one ram, seven male lambs, and a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Trumpets. It's all a pretence. Sheer mummery. Flim flam. Smoke and mirrors.

The same is true of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. No one keeps them. No one makes the offerings required. No one enlists a priest from the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings. It is all pretend. A sham. none of it is according to the commands of Jehovah none of it accords with the feasts as commanded by Jehovah. It is fake. It is false. It is a deception.

 

[Stravinsk]

It's all a pretence when folk claim to be keeping the feasts commanded by Jehovah through Moses. It's all fake. Take a look at what is commanded for observing the feasts.

Passover:

Now Jehovah spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.'" (Exodus 12:1-6)​

No one does this. No one takes a lamb and kills it. It's just a pretence when people say that they keep this feast according to the commandments.
First Fruits:

And Jehovah said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest; and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, that you may find acceptance; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:9-12)​

No one does this. No one seeks out a priest of the tribe of Levi and the house of Aaron to wave the first fruits of their farm's harvest before Jehovah in his tabernacle. No one sacrifices a lamb. It's all a fake when people claim to be keeping this feast.
Pentecost:

"And you shall count from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven full weeks shall they be, counting fifty days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a cereal offering of new grain to Jehovah. You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to Jehovah. And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one young bull, and two rams; they shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their cereal offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire, a pleasing odour to Jehovah. And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits as a wave offering before Jehovah, with the two lambs; they shall be holy to Jehovah for the priest. And you shall make proclamation on the same day; you shall hold a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work: it is a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. "And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field to its very border, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest; you shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am Jehovah your God." (Leviticus 23:15-22)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the seven lambs, one bull, two rams, a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Pentecost. It's all a pretence.
Trumpets:

"On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, a pleasing odour to Jehovah: one young bull, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their cereal offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you; besides the burnt offering of the new moon, and its cereal offering, and the continual burnt offering and its cereal offering, and their drink offering, according to the ordinance for them, a pleasing odour, an offering by fire to Jehovah. (Numbers 29:1-6)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the one bull, one ram, seven male lambs, and a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Trumpets. It's all a pretence. Sheer mummery. Flim flam. Smoke and mirrors.

The same is true of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. No one keeps them. No one makes the offerings required. No one enlists a priest from the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings. It is all pretend. A sham. none of it is according to the commands of Jehovah none of it accords with the feasts as commanded by Jehovah. It is fake. It is false. It is a deception.

By the standard set, everything taken literally, then neither did Yeshua and the disciples when they celebrated the passover.

Next will you be arguing that Yeshua was really a lamb in human disguise? C'mon.

 

[MoreCoffee]

By the standard set, everything taken literally, then neither did Yeshua and the disciples when they celebrated the passover. ...

Empty claim with no supporting evidence. It will be ignored unless you produce some verifiable evidence to back it.

 

[psalms 91]

Yet it is what you claim in multiple threads

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yet it is what you claim in multiple threads

Show me where I make such a claim. I am sure you will not be able to do so because I make no such claim.

 

[psalms 91]

Then why rail so hard and across multiple threads? Reminds me of someone else who I have on ignore because of that

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then why rail so hard and across multiple threads? Reminds me of someone else who I have on ignore because of that

Because it is a deceit to advocate keeping the feasts and worse than a deceit to imply that keeping the old covenant feasts is an obligation laid on Christians. It is wicked to make the faithful - especially those among them who are not well instructed and mature in their faith - obey rules and laws that are human inventions. No one keeps the feasts that God commanded Israel to keep. Not the Rabbinic Jews of our time nor the Messianics who claim to follow both the law and Christ nor the Hebrew Roots teachers who seem to be determined to emulate Rabbinic Judaism as much as they can. None of them offers the sacrifices commanded by Jehovah. None of them has Levites and priests in the line of Aaron to serve at an altar. They are all pretending to do what God commanded and they know it is a pretence. They try to deceive others into becoming their followers and that is a very wicked thing to do. It is explicitly condemned in the holy scriptures. (see Galatians 3:1-29)

 

[psalms 91]

Because it is a deceit to advocate keeping the feasts and worse than a deceit to imply that keeping the old covenant feasts is an obligation laid on Christians. It is wicked to make the faithful - especially those among them who are not well instructed and mature in their faith - obey rules and laws that are human inventions. No one keeps the feasts that God commanded Israel to keep. Not the Rabbinic Jews of our time nor the Messianics who claim to follow both the law and Christ nor the Hebrew Roots teachers who seem to be determined to emulate Rabbinic Judaism as much as they can. None of them offers the sacrifices commanded by Jehovah. None of them has Levites and priests in the line of Aaron to serve at an altar. They are all pretending to do what God commanded and they know it is a pretence. They try to deceive others into becoming their followers and that is a very wicked thing to do. It is explicitly condemned in the holy scriptures. (see Galatians 3:1-29)

Did I say it was an obligation? I dont think so I did say they are Gods feasts which they are

 

[Josiah]

It's all a pretence when folk claim to be keeping the feasts commanded by Jehovah through Moses. It's all fake. Take a look at what is commanded for observing the feasts.

Passover:

Now Jehovah spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.'" (Exodus 12:1-6)​

No one does this. No one takes a lamb and kills it. It's just a pretence when people say that they keep this feast according to the commandments.
First Fruits:

And Jehovah said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest; and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, that you may find acceptance; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:9-12)​

No one does this. No one seeks out a priest of the tribe of Levi and the house of Aaron to wave the first fruits of their farm's harvest before Jehovah in his tabernacle. No one sacrifices a lamb. It's all a fake when people claim to be keeping this feast.
Pentecost:

"And you shall count from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven full weeks shall they be, counting fifty days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a cereal offering of new grain to Jehovah. You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to Jehovah. And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one young bull, and two rams; they shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their cereal offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire, a pleasing odour to Jehovah. And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits as a wave offering before Jehovah, with the two lambs; they shall be holy to Jehovah for the priest. And you shall make proclamation on the same day; you shall hold a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work: it is a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. "And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field to its very border, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest; you shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am Jehovah your God." (Leviticus 23:15-22)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the seven lambs, one bull, two rams, a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Pentecost. It's all a pretence.
Trumpets:

"On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, a pleasing odour to Jehovah: one young bull, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their cereal offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you; besides the burnt offering of the new moon, and its cereal offering, and the continual burnt offering and its cereal offering, and their drink offering, according to the ordinance for them, a pleasing odour, an offering by fire to Jehovah. (Numbers 29:1-6)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the one bull, one ram, seven male lambs, and a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Trumpets. It's all a pretence. Sheer mummery. Flim flam. Smoke and mirrors.

The same is true of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. No one keeps them. No one makes the offerings required. No one enlists a priest from the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings. It is all pretend. A sham. none of it is according to the commands of Jehovah none of it accords with the feasts as commanded by Jehovah. It is fake. It is false. It is a deception.

Valid.




.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Did I say it was an obligation? I don't think so I did say they are Gods feasts which they are

If you do not say it is an obligation then I need not follow it and can ignore all of the old covenant feasts and eat pork and bacon and whatever else seems tasty without sinning. God isn't going to explain to me why I needed to keep the feasts and avoid pork at the resurrection or before it. He won't be doing that because it is not an obligation, right?

 

[psalms 91]

Yup you can

 

[MoreCoffee]

If you do not say it is an obligation then I need not follow it and can ignore all of the old covenant feasts and eat pork and bacon and whatever else seems tasty without sinning. God isn't going to explain to me why I needed to keep the feasts and avoid pork at the resurrection or before it. He won't be doing that because it is not an obligation, right?

Yup you can

Because keeping the feasts is not required of faithful Christians?

 

[psalms 91]

Because keeping the feasts is not required of faithful Christians?

Required no, following what God wants yes

 

[MoreCoffee]

Required no, following what God wants yes

I do not quite see what distinction can legitimately be made between what God wants and what he commanded to be done with the feasts. The holy scriptures say that Jehovah commanded that sacrifices be made at each of the important feasts. Is that what is done by people who say they are keeping the feasts today? If it is not then they cannot truthfully say that are doing what God said. God said to offer sacrifices and it appears that modern feast advocates do not offer sacrifices according to the commandments of God in the holy scriptures. Post #1 quotes the relevant passages in the holy scriptures for the feasts.

 

[visionary]

Because it is a deceit to advocate keeping the feasts and worse than a deceit to imply that keeping the old covenant feasts is an obligation laid on Christians. It is wicked to make the faithful - especially those among them who are not well instructed and mature in their faith - obey rules and laws that are human inventions. No one keeps the feasts that God commanded Israel to keep. Not the Rabbinic Jews of our time nor the Messianics who claim to follow both the law and Christ nor the Hebrew Roots teachers who seem to be determined to emulate Rabbinic Judaism as much as they can. None of them offers the sacrifices commanded by Jehovah. None of them has Levites and priests in the line of Aaron to serve at an altar. They are all pretending to do what God commanded and they know it is a pretence. They try to deceive others into becoming their followers and that is a very wicked thing to do. It is explicitly condemned in the holy scriptures. (see Galatians 3:1-29)

Feasts go from rehearsal to reality to memorial.. but they will be kept.

Just like the soldiers of the civil war are in memorialized with re-enactments.. but no real bullets are fired.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Feasts go from rehearsal to reality to memorial.. but they will be kept.

Kept? Not according to the commandments. Take a look at the first post in this thread. Notice the red text. It's red because it involves the shedding of animal blood for sacrifices to Jehovah. You're not keeping the feasts when no sacrifices are made. It's something else that is being kept. Not a feast to the Lord. It's something that people have invented. A tradition of men disobedient to God. A sham.

Just like the soldiers of the civil war are in memorialized with re-enactments.. but no real bullets are fired.

It's all a pretence when folk claim to be keeping the feasts commanded by Jehovah through Moses. It's all fake. Take a look at what is commanded for observing the feasts.

Passover:

Now Jehovah spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth day of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.'" (Exodus 12:1-6)​

No one does this. No one takes a lamb and kills it. It's just a pretence when people say that they keep this feast according to the commandments.
First Fruits:

And Jehovah said to Moses, "Say to the people of Israel, When you come into the land which I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest; and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, that you may find acceptance; on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to Jehovah. (Leviticus 23:9-12)​

No one does this. No one seeks out a priest of the tribe of Levi and the house of Aaron to wave the first fruits of their farm's harvest before Jehovah in his tabernacle. No one sacrifices a lamb. It's all a fake when people claim to be keeping this feast.
Pentecost:

"And you shall count from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven full weeks shall they be, counting fifty days to the morrow after the seventh sabbath; then you shall present a cereal offering of new grain to Jehovah. You shall bring from your dwellings two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, as first fruits to Jehovah. And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one young bull, and two rams; they shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their cereal offering and their drink offerings, an offering by fire, a pleasing odour to Jehovah. And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings. And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the first fruits as a wave offering before Jehovah, with the two lambs; they shall be holy to Jehovah for the priest. And you shall make proclamation on the same day; you shall hold a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work: it is a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations. "And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field to its very border, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest; you shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am Jehovah your God." (Leviticus 23:15-22)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the seven lambs, one bull, two rams, a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Pentecost. It's all a pretence.
Trumpets:

"On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets, and you shall offer a burnt offering, a pleasing odour to Jehovah: one young bull, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish; also their cereal offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram, and one tenth for each of the seven lambs; with one male goat for a sin offering, to make atonement for you; besides the burnt offering of the new moon, and its cereal offering, and the continual burnt offering and its cereal offering, and their drink offering, according to the ordinance for them, a pleasing odour, an offering by fire to Jehovah. (Numbers 29:1-6)​

No one does this. No one sacrifices the one bull, one ram, seven male lambs, and a male goat and offers them to Jehovah. It's all fake when people say that they keep the feast of Trumpets. It's all a pretence. Sheer mummery. Flim flam. Smoke and mirrors.

The same is true of the day of atonement and the feast of tabernacles. No one keeps them. No one makes the offerings required. No one enlists a priest from the tribe of Levi and the family of Aaron to make the offerings. It is all pretend. A sham. none of it is according to the commands of Jehovah none of it accords with the feasts as commanded by Jehovah. It is fake. It is false. It is a deception.

 

[psalms 91]

Feasts go from rehearsal to reality to memorial.. but they will be kept.

Just like the soldiers of the civil war are in memorialized with re-enactments.. but no real bullets are fired.

Might as well give it up Visionary, let him find out if he enters the millenial or goes to heaven where they are kept

 

[MoreCoffee]

Might as well give it up Visionary, let him find out if he enters the millennial or goes to heaven where they are kept

So you really do think it is a sin to fail in keeping the feasts.

 

[psalms 91]

No, not sin per se but it is what God said He wanted so what do you think?

 

[MoreCoffee]

No, not sin per se but it is what God said He wanted so what do you think?

I think it is not what he wants of Christians.