God gave the feasts to Israel not to Christians under the new covenant.

[visionary]

Then why are we to keep it in the millennium?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Then why are we to keep it in the millennium?

Christians don't keep the Israelite religious feasts at any time.

 

[Alithis]

Then why are we to keep it in the millennium?

the nations you mean ?

 

[psalms 91]

Every nation not just Israel,

 

[visionary]

During the millennium, all believers will be the only ones around. They all are to gather for the Feast of Tabernacles. God has rules, they will be followed.

 

[pinacled]

Christians don't keep the Israelite religious feasts at any time.

You might want to do a little research on the subject. I have found many Christian sites going into detail about the 7 feast. And redemption plan.
You may have been kept in the dark. Yet in the twinkling of an eye, and the day star rising in your heart will reveal much.

 

[Alithis]

During the millennium, all believers will be the only ones around. They all are to gather for the Feast of Tabernacles. God has rules, they will be followed.

? and where will the nations of the earth be ?

oh wait ,, asking in singular sentences seems like i'm opposing lol.
im not ,im trying to gauge where your coming from . I haven't looked at this topic in some time . i was under the impression that all the nations of the earth will be required to keep the feasts ..
the redeemed will be ruling "with" the lord .. and abiding in perfect unity with-him ..we wont "have" to do anything we just will because we will be one with him in unhindered love .

but the nations of the earth will "have " to ..not optional . big troube hoo haaa if they refuse .

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i often wonder from time to time about this ... for the dispensation (if that's even the right word ) of grace will have ended -so it would appear the nations during the millennium .., not being able to act on faith for the lord will be right there on the earth , will be under a LAW system again ... after all it says he will rule with a rod of IRON .. the strictest system of rule upon the earth yet or all kingdoms that ever were ... ? perhaps ..
got me interested in looking at this again .

 

[MoreCoffee]

You might want to do a little research on the subject. I have found many Christian sites going into detail about the 7 feast. And redemption plan.
You may have been kept in the dark. Yet in the twinkling of an eye, and the day star rising in your heart will reveal much.

Really?

Regarding the Passover Jehovah said: "Then you shall have this day as a memorial, and you shall celebrate it as a solemnity to the Lord, in your generations, as an everlasting devotion. For seven days, you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day there shall be no leaven in your houses. Whoever will consume anything leavened, from the first day, even until the seventh day, that soul shall perish from Israel. The first day shall be holy and solemn, and the seventh day shall be venerated with the same festivity. You shall do no work in these days, except that which pertains to the eating." (Exodus 12:14-16) Is this how you keep the feast? Sacrificing a lamb, eating it standing with bitter herbs and unleavened bread? Do you cleans your houses of yeast before the feast and keep seven days of unleavened bread? Is it a feast in your generations as an everlasting devotion?

Regarding the feasts assigned to Israel Jehovah said: "And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: Speak to the sons of Israel, and you shall say to them: These are the feasts of the Lord, which you shall call holy. For six days you shall do work; the seventh day, because it is the rest of the Sabbath, shall be called holy. You shall do no work on that day; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwelling places. Therefore, these are the feasts of the Lord, which you must celebrate in their times." (Leviticus 23:1-4) Do you keep the Sabbath Day as a feast of Israel? Do you do no work on that day?

Is the same true of the First Fruits, Pentecost, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tents? Do you keep the feast of Lights? Are they all everlasting devotions (except maybe Lights) for you?

 

[pinacled]

Really?

Regarding the Passover Jehovah said: "Then you shall have this day as a memorial, and you shall celebrate it as a solemnity to the Lord, in your generations, as an everlasting devotion. For seven days, you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day there shall be no leaven in your houses. Whoever will consume anything leavened, from the first day, even until the seventh day, that soul shall perish from Israel. The first day shall be holy and solemn, and the seventh day shall be venerated with the same festivity. You shall do no work in these days, except that which pertains to the eating." (Exodus 12:14-16) Is this how you keep the feast? Sacrificing a lamb, eating it standing with bitter herbs and unleavened bread? Do you cleans your houses of yeast before the feast and keep seven days of unleavened bread? It it a feast in your generations as an everlasting devotion?

Regarding the feasts assigned to Israel Jehovah said: "And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: Speak to the sons of Israel, and you shall say to them: These are the feasts of the Lord, which you shall call holy. For six days you shall do work; the seventh day, because it is the rest of the Sabbath, shall be called holy. You shall do no work on that day; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwelling places. Therefore, these are the feasts of the Lord, which you must celebrate in their times." (Leviticus 23:1-4) Do you keep the Sabbath Day as a feast of Israel? Do you do no work on that day?

Is the same true of the First Fruits, Pentecost, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tents? Do you keep the feast of Lights? Are they all everlasting devotions (except maybe Lights) for you?

Really. By your response. "Christians do not keep the feast.". What am I suposed take from such a statement?
If you know of the 7 feast will you help me to understand why Christians would or do not keep them?

 

[psalms 91]

Better question is why did Jesus keep them if we are not supposed to? You see me you see the father and God has commanded that these be kept. You can twist around all you wish to avoid doing it but they are Gods feasts, not Israels, and you ignore scripture when you say they are not for us, they were for all. What about the stranger in the land? They were not Jewish. What of servants they were not always JKewish either.

 

[Alithis]

Better question is why did Jesus keep them if we are not supposed to? You see me you see the father and God has commanded that these be kept. You can twist around all you wish to avoid doing it but they are Gods feasts, not Israels, and you ignore scripture when you say they are not for us, they were for all. What about the stranger in the land? They were not Jewish. What of servants they were not always JKewish either.

he was raised a jew.. and had not died yet.
when a person dies they are freed from that covenant law yes?

and we have been buried into his death ...and raised a new creature in christ under a new covenant.

in the millennium he will establish the feasts anew. but that is then ,not now ,and while it is great to keep them, we are under no covenant obligation to do so.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Really. By your response. "Christians don't keep the Israelite religious feasts". What am I supposed take from such a statement?
If you know of the 7 feast will you help me to understand why Christians would or do not keep them?

Seven Feasts? Looks like six according to the holy scriptures, seven if you include the weekly sabbath, and eight if you include the feast of Lights.

Christians do not keep them because they are not commanded to keep them by God. The feasts were given to Israel under the old covenant. Since that covenant is abrogated now and the new covenant in Christ is in effect Christians keep the one feast commanded under the new covenant - specifically the holy supper of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Speaking of the new covenant in contrast with the old covenant saint Paul writes: God has made us suitable ministers of the New Testament, not in the letter, but in the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministration of death, engraved with letters upon stones, was in glory, (so much so that the sons of Israel were not able to gaze intently upon the face of Moses, because of the glory of his countenance) even though this ministration was ineffective, how could the ministration of the Spirit not be in greater glory? For if the ministration of condemnation is with glory, so much more is the ministration of justice abundant in glory. And neither was it glorified by means of an excellent glory, though it was made illustrious in its own way. For if even what was temporary has its glory, then what is lasting has an even greater glory. (2 Corinthians 3:6-11) He says of the old covenant that it was engraved with letters upon stone and that it is a ministration of death and the ministration of condemnation but of the new covenant he says it is the ministration of the Spirit that is of far greater glory than the old covenant.

The author of the book called Hebrews writes: We have so great a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of Majesty in the heavens, who is the minister of holy things, and of the true tabernacle, which was established by the Lord, not by man. For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices. Therefore, it is necessary for him also to have something to offer. And so, if he were upon the earth, he would not be a priest, since there would be others to offer gifts according to the law, gifts which serve as mere examples and shadows of the heavenly things. And so it was answered to Moses, when he was about to complete the tabernacle: "See to it," he said, "that you make everything according to the example which was revealed to you on the mountain." But now he has been granted a better ministry, so much so that he is also the Mediator of a better covenant, which has been confirmed by better promises. For if the former one had been entirely without fault, then a place certainly would not have been sought for a subsequent one. For, finding fault with them, he says: "Behold, the days shall arrive, says the Lord, when I will consummate a New covenant over the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, on the day when I took them by the hand, so that I might lead them away from the land of Egypt. For they did not remain in my covenant, and so I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant which I will set before the house of Israel, after those days, says the Lord. I will instil my laws in their minds, and I will inscribe my laws on their hearts. And so, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they will not teach, each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying: "Know the Lord." For all shall know me, from the least, even to the greatest of them. For I will forgive their iniquities, and I will no longer remember their sins." Now in saying something new, he has made the former old. But that which decays and grows old is close to passing away. (Hebrews 8:1-13) The holy scripture quoted above says that God has made the former covenant old and that which decays and grows old is close to passing away. Christians live according to new covenant which was confirmed with better promises. But you may ask how can the old covenant be eternal while at the same time be abrogated? The answer is given in saint Paul's letter to the Romans where he reflects upon the meaning of baptism and on the teaching of Christ.

So what shall we say? Should we remain in sin, so that grace may abound? Let it not be so! For how can we who have died to sin still live in sin? Do you not know that those of us who have been baptised in Christ Jesus have been baptised into his death? For through baptism we have been buried with him into death, so that, in the manner that Christ rose from the dead, by the glory of the Father, so may we also walk in the newness of life. For if we have been planted together, in the likeness of his death, so shall we also be, in the likeness of his resurrection. For we know this: that our former selves have been crucified together with him, so that the body which is of sin may be destroyed, and moreover, so that we may no longer serve sin. For he who has died has been justified from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live together with Christ. For we know that Christ, in rising up from the dead, can no longer die: death no longer has dominion over him. For in as much as he died for sin, he died once. But in as much as he lives, he lives for God. And so, you should consider yourselves to be certainly dead to sin, and to be living for God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:1-11) Saint Paul teaches that Christians are dead as far as the provisions of the Laws given to Moses are concerned. Consequently Christians are alive in Christ yet dead to the provisions of the old covenant having been buried with Christ in baptism and having risen with Christ. Thus Christians are both living in accord with the law because they are alive in Christ who obeyed the law and all of its commandments. So, while Christians are dead to sins because they died with Christ they are also alive in Christ and live according to the new covenant sealed in his blood. Thus Christians are under obligation only to their Lord and not to the laws given by God to Moses.

I hope this also helps with bill's questions.

Better question is why did Jesus keep them if we are not supposed to? You see me you see the father and God has commanded that these be kept. You can twist around all you wish to avoid doing it but they are Gods feasts, not Israel's, and you ignore scripture when you say they are not for us, they were for all. What about the stranger in the land? They were not Jewish. What of servants they were not always Jewish either.

 

[psalms 91]

Seven Feasts? Looks like six according to the holy scriptures, seven if you include the weekly sabbath, and eight if you include the feast of Lights.

Christians do not keep them because they are not commanded to keep them by God. The feasts were given to Israel under the old covenant. Since that covenant is abrogated now and the new covenant in Christ is in effect Christians keep the one feast commanded under the new covenant - specifically the holy supper of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Speaking of the new covenant in contrast with the old covenant saint Paul writes: God has made us suitable ministers of the New Testament, not in the letter, but in the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. But if the ministration of death, engraved with letters upon stones, was in glory, (so much so that the sons of Israel were not able to gaze intently upon the face of Moses, because of the glory of his countenance) even though this ministration was ineffective, how could the ministration of the Spirit not be in greater glory? For if the ministration of condemnation is with glory, so much more is the ministration of justice abundant in glory. And neither was it glorified by means of an excellent glory, though it was made illustrious in its own way. For if even what was temporary has its glory, then what is lasting has an even greater glory. (2 Corinthians 3:6-11) He says of the old covenant that it was engraved with letters upon stone and that it is a ministration of death and the ministration of condemnation but of the new covenant he says it is the ministration of the Spirit that is of far greater glory than the old covenant.

The author of the book called Hebrews writes: We have so great a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of Majesty in the heavens, who is the minister of holy things, and of the true tabernacle, which was established by the Lord, not by man. For every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices. Therefore, it is necessary for him also to have something to offer. And so, if he were upon the earth, he would not be a priest, since there would be others to offer gifts according to the law, gifts which serve as mere examples and shadows of the heavenly things. And so it was answered to Moses, when he was about to complete the tabernacle: "See to it," he said, "that you make everything according to the example which was revealed to you on the mountain." But now he has been granted a better ministry, so much so that he is also the Mediator of a better covenant, which has been confirmed by better promises. For if the former one had been entirely without fault, then a place certainly would not have been sought for a subsequent one. For, finding fault with them, he says: "Behold, the days shall arrive, says the Lord, when I will consummate a New covenant over the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not according to the covenant which I made with their fathers, on the day when I took them by the hand, so that I might lead them away from the land of Egypt. For they did not remain in my covenant, and so I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant which I will set before the house of Israel, after those days, says the Lord. I will instil my laws in their minds, and I will inscribe my laws on their hearts. And so, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they will not teach, each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying: "Know the Lord." For all shall know me, from the least, even to the greatest of them. For I will forgive their iniquities, and I will no longer remember their sins." Now in saying something new, he has made the former old. But that which decays and grows old is close to passing away. (Hebrews 8:1-13) The holy scripture quoted above says that God has made the former covenant old and that which decays and grows old is close to passing away. Christians live according to new covenant which was confirmed with better promises. But you may ask how can the old covenant be eternal while at the same time be abrogated? The answer is given in saint Paul's letter to the Romans where he reflects upon the meaning of baptism and on the teaching of Christ.

So what shall we say? Should we remain in sin, so that grace may abound? Let it not be so! For how can we who have died to sin still live in sin? Do you not know that those of us who have been baptised in Christ Jesus have been baptised into his death? For through baptism we have been buried with him into death, so that, in the manner that Christ rose from the dead, by the glory of the Father, so may we also walk in the newness of life. For if we have been planted together, in the likeness of his death, so shall we also be, in the likeness of his resurrection. For we know this: that our former selves have been crucified together with him, so that the body which is of sin may be destroyed, and moreover, so that we may no longer serve sin. For he who has died has been justified from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live together with Christ. For we know that Christ, in rising up from the dead, can no longer die: death no longer has dominion over him. For in as much as he died for sin, he died once. But in as much as he lives, he lives for God. And so, you should consider yourselves to be certainly dead to sin, and to be living for God in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:1-11) Saint Paul teaches that Christians are dead as far as the provisions of the Laws given to Moses are concerned. Consequently Christians are alive in Christ yet dead to the provisions of the old covenant having been buried with Christ in baptism and having risen with Christ. Thus Christians are both living in accord with the law because they are alive in Christ who obeyed the law and all of its commandments. So, while Christians are dead to sins because they died with Christ they are also alive in Christ and live according to the new covenant sealed in his blood. Thus Christians are under obligation only to their Lord and not to the laws given by God to Moses.

I hope this also helps with bill's questions.

The Old was not done away with it was just improved. Each covanwent was better than the former but they all added to not do awway with. Our new covenant is spiritual while the old was physical but they are still there

 

[Stravinsk]

In case anyone is unclear the feast visionary is referencing is found in Zechariah 14, which gives the context (future from now) and said feast is mentioned specifically in verses 16-19

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Old was not done away with it was just improved.

The doctrine you state above is not biblical. The holy scriptures say that the old covenant is abrogated - see Rom 13:8,9 & 3:21 & 7:6 & 13:8 & 13:10, 2 Cor 3:5,6 & 3:13,16 - Gal.2:12 & 3:2,3 & 3:5 & 3:10 & 3:11 & 3:19 & 3:23 & 3:24,25 & 4:31 & 5:2 & 5:3,4 & 5:18 - Eph 2:15 & 3:4,5 - Phil.3:8,9 - Col.2:14 & 2:16 & 2:20, Heb.8:7,8 & 10:20.

Each covenant was better than the former but they all added to not do away with. Our new covenant is spiritual while the old was physical but they are still there

 

[psalms 91]

The doctrine you state above is not biblical. The holy scriptures say that the old covenant is abrogated - see Rom 13:8,9 & 3:21 & 7:6 & 13:8 & 13:10, 2 Cor 3:5,6 & 3:13,16 - Gal.2:12 & 3:2,3 & 3:5 & 3:10 & 3:11 & 3:19 & 3:23 & 3:24,25 & 4:31 & 5:2 & 5:3,4 & 5:18 - Eph 2:15 & 3:4,5 - Phil.3:8,9 - Col.2:14 & 2:16 & 2:20, Heb.8:7,8 & 10:20.

Funny, Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law, not do away with it as some here would like

 

[MoreCoffee]

Funny, Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law, not do away with it as some here would like

That's not what the Lord Jesus Christ said. What he did say is this: Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For amen I say to you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot, or one tittle shall not pass of the law, till all be fulfilled. (Matthew 5:17-18)

As far as the law went it is fulfilled and hence it has passed away.

 

[psalms 91]

Fulfilled does not mean passed away or else the jots and tittles would not exist now would they

 

[MoreCoffee]

Fulfilled does not mean passed away or else the jots and tittles would not exist now would they

Eph 2:15 says otherwise.

 

[psalms 91]

Eph 2:15 says otherwise.

Ordinances are a little different and law