Baptism by sprinkling

[TurtleHare]

Baptism is not done is secret, it is done as not only for personal commitment but also as a witness to that conversion.

Baptism isn't just to show God what a wonderful little Christan one has become because that isn't what it's about. None of the baptismal verses show that and point to something actually occurring during it which people tend to ignore so to pick apart the amount of water is a way of trying to distract away from God working through the waters by His Word.

 

[visionary]

Baptism isn't just to show God what a wonderful little Christan one has become because that isn't what it's about. None of the baptismal verses show that and point to something actually occurring during it which people tend to ignore so to pick apart the amount of water is a way of trying to distract away from God working through the waters by His Word.

Immerse yourself in the Lord in all ways.

 

[Alithis]

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[Alithis]

Water baptism by immersion is the biblical method of baptism because of its symbolic representation of the death, burial, and resurrection of Yeshua.

absolutely it is by immersion
.and it is far more then only symbolic.

scripture is Not silent .. the passing through the red sea is all about baptism .
Dying into christ's death by faith and being raised up again into his resurrection .

Death burial and resurrection. nothing less.
add to that .it is into Christ And him alone we are to be baptised .
getting baptised into a denomination wont save any one .

 

[Lamb]

God's baptism does save us. It's His Word that makes the promise. God doesn't lie.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Water baptism by immersion is the biblical method of baptism because of its symbolic representation of the death, burial, and resurrection of Yeshua.

absolutely.

scripture is Not silent .. the passing through the red sea is all about baptism .
Dying into christ's death by faith and being raised up again into his resurrection .

Death burial and resurrection. nothing less.
add to that .it is into Christ And him alone we are to be baptised .
getting baptised into a denomination wont save any one .

Baptism is not symbolic. Since you start with an error you're going to end in error.

Since baptism is like Israel's passage through Red Sea and since it links one to the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord and since one is baptised into Christ why do you insist in saying that it is symbolic. If it were nothing but a symbol then it would not unite one to Christ, nor join one to Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection, nor save you from sins and separate you from the forces of wickedness as the passage through the Red Sea did for Israel. By treating it as symbolic one empties it of its purpose in God's grace. It's such a shame to see Christians diminishing God's gifts to them.

 

[Alithis]

?iv never said it was only symbolic.
the red sea was symbolic of the real to come.
the serpant on the pole was symbolic of the real to cone of the power of christ who became sin and was lifted up on a tree.
the passover was symbolic of the real lamb of God to come whose blood shed can cause death to passover those born again into his resurection.

when a child is born in the natural..they are born forth from a sprinkled womb.?No..
no they are born forth from being immersed in the waters of the womb and then they are cut off from the wonb at the cutting off the cord and then they breath in air and cry out.

just so ..in the obedience of the spiritual..they die and are buried in waters..then they are born a new up out of the waters and the cord tying them tp psst sin is broken (this is due to repentance)..then they breath in the spirit of God and cry out by the holy spirit to thier heavenly father whom thet are now reconciled to..abba father..and they are then baptized in the holy ghost (not always in this order)speak to him by the holy spirit in tongues as a sign that they have recieved the spirit of God and are born again of the Holy Ghost..

 

[Alithis]

only 3 weeks ago we baptized 3 people on by the sea shore..one lady came up out of the water..joy flooded ger face..she knelt in the sea with raised hands and began to speak in tongues.
the Holy spirit acknowledging her obedience and bearing witness to her and all present that the words of the lord Jesus are true.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I've never said it was only symbolic.
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What else is it in addition to being symbolic? For example, do you say that baptism washes away sins? Does baptism save? Is baptism the visible means by which one is born from above?

Oh yes, and why is sprinkling getting so much distension from folk who prefer to submerge?

 

[Lamb]

only 3 weeks ago we baptized 3 people on by the sea shore..one lady came up out of the water..joy flooded ger face..she knelt in the sea with raised hands and began to speak in tongues.
the Holy spirit acknowledging her obedience and bearing witness to her and all present that the words of the lord Jesus are true.

And you still think God didn't do anything in that baptism? Surely any reaction was purely symbolic and not real?

 

[Alithis]

And you still think God didn't do anything in that baptism? Surely any reaction was purely symbolic and not real?

sorry youve confused me with your question..
iv just posted sayinv it is NOT Only symbolic
and it is by immersion only.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What else is it in addition to being symbolic? For example, do you say that baptism washes away sins? Does baptism save? Is baptism the visible means by which one is born from above?

Oh yes, and why is sprinkling getting so much distension from folk who prefer to submerge?

And you still think God didn't do anything in that baptism? Surely any reaction was purely symbolic and not real?

sorry youve confused me with your question..
iv just posted sayinv it is NOT Only symbolic
and it is by immersion only.

And you haven't answered my questions.

What else is it in addition to being symbolic? For example, do you say that baptism washes away sins? Does baptism save? Is baptism the visible means by which one is born from above?

Oh yes, and why is sprinkling getting so much distension from folk who prefer to submerge?​

 

[Alithis]

i haven't answered your questions specifically because you not interested in the answers. your goal is ,it appears to defend rome .

we have shown baptism as symbolized by the red sea and we have shown baptism as "burial " clearly and unambiguously in the new testament .

in contrast it is never shown to be even affiliated with sprinkling by scripture -that is man made tradition, not scriptural based teaching .

this article covers it very nicely

http://hamiltonfilmalter.com/2015/12/09/gods-glory-revealed-in-baptism-but-i-will-gain-glory-for-myself-through-pharaoh-and-all-his-army-and-the-egyptians-will-know-that-i-am-the-lord-exodus-1414-niv84paul-uses-the-illus/

other then that i wil not endlessly debate every distracting nuance people raise .

 

[MoreCoffee]

i haven't answered your questions specifically because you not interested in the answers. your goal is ,it appears to defend rome .

we have shown baptism as symbolized by the red sea and we have shown baptism as "burial " clearly and unambiguously in the new testament .

in contrast it is never shown to be even affiliated with sprinkling by scripture -that is man made tradition, not scriptural based teaching .

this article covers it very nicely

other then that I will not endlessly debate every distracting nuance people raise .

I agree that the escape of Israel through the Red sea is a type of baptism insofar as baptism unites one to Christ, and I agree that baptism is burial and resurrection in union with Christ, and the holy scriptures tell us that baptism washes away sins and saves. Baptism is not symbolic of those things it really accomplishes them by means of God's grace which he conveys through baptism. In all of this it is abundantly clear that baptism is not symbolic of death, burial, and resurrection with Christ nor is it symbolic of washing away sins, nor is it symbolic of the birth from above, nor is it symbolic of the gift of the holy Spirit because it really accomplishes those things. And yes, I am interested in presenting the teaching of the Catholic Church because it is the teaching of Christ.

 

[Lamb]

When they were "baptized" by walking through the Red Sea, were they fully covered, immersed if you will, as they walked through? No, the waters spread apart for them. So obviously the amount of water isn't as important as God doing the work.

 

[Alithis]

your choosing only to see what agrees with your preferred doctrine and not what the whole scripture says in regard to death burial and resurrection

 

[MoreCoffee]

your choosing only to see what agrees with your preferred doctrine and not what the whole scripture says in regard to death burial and resurrection

That's quite an accusation coming from one who has failed to back his claim with holy scripture. Where's the verse that says "baptism is symbolic"? or the verse that says "you must be submerged"? We've given chapter and verse for all of our claims. You just dismiss the passages we give with a literary wave of the hand and the words "it's symbolic". That'snot good enough if you want to be taken seriously in a discussion about what the holy scriptures teach about baptism.

 

[Alithis]

That's quite an accusation coming from one who has failed to back his claim with holy scripture. Where's the verse that says "baptism is symbolic"? or the verse that says "you must be submerged"? We've given chapter and verse for all of our claims. You just dismiss the passages we give with a literary wave of the hand and the words "it's symbolic". That'snot good enough if you want to be taken seriously in a discussion about what the holy scriptures teach about baptism.

why do you keep on at this ? i have NEVER said baptism is only symbolic -I have maintained the exact opposite .

as for immersion .. see the entire picture it is about death and burial and resurrection ..
baptizo.. used in the the description of recolouring clothe.. to submerge the clothe in dye and bring it out different .
and as you well know .. death is never "sprinkled " always buried beneath the earth .. and birth comes up out of the aters ..just as the first natural birth is born forth from the waters of the womb .. so the second rebirth into the spiritual realm is resurrected up out of the waters

what the Entire bible sates on any given topic is the doctrine of that topic -not a single piece . as the scriptures say in colossians-you were buried with him in baptism..

buried means buried and you well know it .
12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,…colossians ch 2


We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.-Romans 6:4




so now we have clarified 2 things
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1 . it is NOT symbolic only -it is power

2. it is Burial not sprinkling .. as shows by direct unambiguous scripture . saying .. "you were BURIED with him in Baptism "

there is NOTHING about that word that even remotely implies sprinkling .and i adjure in the name of JESUS you to be honest before God about that .

I am not trying to prove any one "wrong" --only clearly establish what is in scripture . tat we might walk in obedience to his word .rather then in the traditions of men neither based on his word and opposed to his word .

--now its your turn .. give me your direct unambiguous scripture upon which to establish "sprinkling "

 

[MoreCoffee]

why do you keep on at this ? i have NEVER said baptism is only symbolic -I have maintained the exact opposite ....

What is not symbolic in baptism? For example, does baptism washes away sins? Does baptism save? Is baptism the visible means by which one is born from above?

 

[Alithis]

What is not symbolic in baptism? For example, does baptism washes away sins? Does baptism save? Is baptism the visible means by which one is born from above?

why do you keep on at this ? i have NEVER said baptism is only symbolic -I have maintained the exact opposite .

as for immersion .. see the entire picture it is about death and burial and resurrection ..
baptizo.. used in the the description of recolouring clothe.. to submerge the clothe in dye and bring it out different .
and as you well know .. death is never "sprinkled " always buried beneath the earth .. and birth comes up out of the aters ..just as the first natural birth is born forth from the waters of the womb .. so the second rebirth into the spiritual realm is resurrected up out of the waters

what the Entire bible sates on any given topic is the doctrine of that topic -not a single piece . as the scriptures say in colossians-you were buried with him in baptism..

buried means buried and you well know it .
12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,…colossians ch 2


We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.-Romans 6:4




so now we have clarified 2 things
''
1 . it is NOT symbolic only -it is power

2. it is Burial not sprinkling .. as shows by direct unambiguous scripture . saying .. "you were BURIED with him in Baptism "

there is NOTHING about that word that even remotely implies sprinkling .and i adjure in the name of JESUS you to be honest before God about that .

I am not trying to prove any one "wrong" --only clearly establish what is in scripture . tat we might walk in obedience to his word .rather then in the traditions of men neither based on his word and opposed to his word .

--now its your turn .. give me your direct unambiguous scripture upon which to establish "sprinkling "
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that's my reply .. and you thought is be led down a rabbit warren of ambiguous sidelining questions to detract me from the point - nope sorry ..not biting .