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How does the whole practice of leaving judging to God work if so many Christians feel they need to judge to show people their errors and that they need Christ?
 

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It's wrong to condemn people.... it's right to help each other. The difference is primarily a matter of attitude and motivation.
 

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The bible convicts people, hearing the word, we are not to judge outside the church but we are also not to patake in or accept sin either, a fine line. Within the church we are to judge
 

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How does the whole practice of leaving judging to God work if so many Christians feel they need to judge to show people their errors and that they need Christ?

This is THE truth.The Bible says this.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Do you see the condition?
 

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This is THE truth.The Bible says this.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Do you see the condition?

in case we missed the blaringly obvious hehe
 

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Yup and I think many skip ove rthis
 

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How does the whole practice of leaving judging to God work if so many Christians feel they need to judge to show people their errors and that they need Christ?

It depends on what sort of judging we are doing.

When Jesus said "Judge not that you be not judged" (Matt 7:1) a lot of people take that at face value and say we shouldn't judge. But if we read the passage in context it says something very different. Emphasis is mine:

Mat 7:1-5 NKJV "Judge not, that you be not judged. (2) For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (3) And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? (4) Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? (5) Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Jesus never told us not to take the speck out of our brother's eye, in this passage often used to teach against judging he clearly says that when we see clearly we can remove the speck from our brother's eye. It's just that the time to do it isn't when we've got a plank in our own eye.



There's also the issue of what Paul wrote about if a brother falls into sin:

Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

We can't restore someone who is overtaken in trespass unless we first judge them to be overtaken in trespass. The key here is the spirit of gentleness. It's very easy to look at people and essentially say "I thank you God that I am not like this man here" because of course we would never fall the way they did. But of course there's no way of knowing whether or not we will stumble further down the line.


There are also different forms of judging and testing. Paul told the Thessalonians to "test all things, hold fast what is good" (1Thess 5:21). We can only test something by comparing it against an objective standard and determining whether it measures up. If I offer you a pound of sugar and you're not sure you're actually getting a pound, you put it on a scale to test it. In the same way we can test things against Scripture and determine whether they are sound or not. So it's perfectly appropriate to say "Pastor Joe Blow teaches X is true, Hesitations 4:12-18 teaches that X is false, therefore Pastor Joe Blow is teaching a false message". A counter to that statement could be that Pastor Joe Blow does not, in fact, teach that X is true or that Hesitations 4:12-18 does not conclusively teach that X is false. But to throw around a "don't judge" warning would not be appropriate. If someone were making assumptions about Pastor Blow's motivations in preaching his message they would be on dangerous ground, because we cannot know the heart of another. Pastor Blow may be a wolf deliberately leading people astray, he may be misguided himself, and the chances are we don't know which is the case. To expand "Pastor Blow teaches false theology" with "and I bet he drinks too much and hits his wife" is totally unfounded, and well and truly crosses the line into inappropriate judgment.



As for Christians showing people that they need Christ, Jesus told us to do that. He specifically said to go into the world, preach and make disciples (Matt 28:19, Mark 16:15, Luke 24:46-47). Some Christians aren't very tactful about how they go about that process, but to we can't claim to love someone if we let them rush headlong into a judgment for which they are totally unprepared.
 

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How does the whole practice of leaving judging to God work if so many Christians feel they need to judge to show people their errors and that they need Christ?

If God has already judged someone's actions in scripture then why are Christians the ones being blamed and accused of judging? Have you considered that thought?
 

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Thou shalt not declare anyone condemned to hell
Thou shalt not declare anyone not saved

Those kind of judgments are outside the realm of anyone's knowledge... Only God knows.
 

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How does the whole practice of leaving judging to God work if so many Christians feel they need to judge to show people their errors and that they need Christ?

In what way do you feel Christians are judging you when they shouldn't be?
 

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Thou shalt not declare anyone condemned to hell
Thou shalt not declare anyone not saved

Those kind of judgments are outside the realm of anyone's knowledge... Only God knows.

we dont have to - God already has . and then he sent us as messengers to tell people how they can escape hell and be saved

-repent (turn to god and forsake sin) be baptised for the remission of sin - and receive the holy Ghost !
 

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we dont have to - God already has . and then he sent us as messengers to tell people how they can escape hell and be saved

-repent (turn to god and forsake sin) be baptised for the remission of sin - and receive the holy Ghost !
Sorry, even with the book of God's law in hand, you could easily be silenced as He writes in the sands of time, you can not even think to throw the first stone when He is finished with you..
 

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Sorry, even with the book of God's law in hand, you could easily be silenced as He writes in the sands of time, you can not even think to throw the first stone when He is finished with you..

I'm not sure how that's relevant given what Jesus said about seeing clearly to remove the speck in (our) brother's eye, what Paul wrote about "if someone falls into sin" and the like.

There's a big difference between loving correction and condemnation.
 

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It is one thing to say you have a stick in your eye, it is quite another to say you are damned to hell for it.
 

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We can tell people what will lead them to hell, but only God knows who has faith. It's not the amount of faith, but whether someone has faith to know if someone will have eternal life with Him. Scriptures even tell us we shouldn't sort the goats and sheep and good enough reason since it's not our place to do so.
 

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It is one thing to say you have a stick in your eye, it is quite another to say you are damned to hell for it.

Apples and oranges.

Big difference between someone who has never accepted Christ, and someone who has but then didn't walk a perfect walk.
 

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Apples and oranges.

Big difference between someone who has never accepted Christ, and someone who has but then didn't walk a perfect walk.
Never forget that many in the kingdom don't know His name. Not everyone in the kingdom have accepted Christ. That is only something that has spread as a criteria in Christian circles for the last two thousand years. Billions of walkers with God do not know the story of redemption, but know Him whom has guided their life, without ever knowing anything more than the one who has answered their prayers.
 

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Never forget that many in the kingdom don't know His name. Not everyone in the kingdom have accepted Christ. That is only something that has spread as a criteria in Christian circles for the last two thousand years. Billions of walkers with God do not know the story of redemption, but know Him whom has guided their life, without ever knowing anything more than the one who has answered their prayers.

OK, there's still a huge difference between someone who has never walked with God (or whatever other term you want to use), and someone who does fundamentally walk with God but has fallen into some pattern of sinfulness.
 

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Apples and oranges.

Big difference between someone who has never accepted Christ, and someone who has but then didn't walk a perfect walk.
Yes, ignorance is without fault, but misdirection after knowing the truth is a grave sin.



Faith in selfless Unity for Good.
 

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When they are dead and buried, you may see the conclusion of their life, and think you know everything, but not like God knows the heart. It is best to pray for them, guide them in the way to go, and give a lifting hand in love when needed..
 
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