Is it right to ask others to pray for us?

[Full O Beans]

Holy scripture does not say that. And it has no bearing on asking others to pray for us.

Scripture doesn't give you any reason to believe you can engage the spirits of the dead FOR ANY REASON. Religion does. Jesus despises religiosity.

 

[Full O Beans]

No, I am not interested in dispensationalist eschatology and that is what I am likely to see if you do, right?

If you choose to go there, you will get God's word on the matter.

 

[Full O Beans]

Where do the holy scriptures say that? Are you offering another speculative opinion as doctrine?

Read the word, prayerfully, asking Holy Spirit to teach you. He will.

I don't hold speculative opinions as doctrine.

 

[Alithis]

The holy saints in heaven are not dead.

ouh thers that devious misrepresentation again .tut tut

i said thos departed from us ..

when a persons here in this earth becomes separated from the flesh body and do not return to it and the body lays in the ground and rots .. they are dead . -departed from this world .
playing word games won't change the truth that attempting communication with them is a rebellious act of sin againt the will of God

sorry ., you need to repent of it if you've been practicing it

 

[MoreCoffee]

Scripture doesn't give you any reason to believe you can engage the spirits of the dead FOR ANY REASON. Religion does. Jesus despises religiosity.

Seems to me that you either did not read the account about Samuel or that you ignored it because in it communing with the dead is possible even if the means of so doing was forbidden and reprehensible. Nor have you dealt with the massage from second Maccabees. Nor with the passage wherein the Lord silenced the Sadducees. But it does not matter. The vision of 'heaven' that you preach is so hellishly selfish and so totally unbiblical that I can't help but think that in order to maintain the doctrine that you espouse as 'true' one needs a hellish vision of heaven.

 

[MoreCoffee]

If you choose to go there, you will get God's word on the matter.

I do not invite discussion of heresy in this thread. It is distressing enough that so much heresy has been brought to the topic of prayer so I want no more to be added.

 

[Full O Beans]

Seems to me that you either did not read the account about Samuel or that you ignored it because clearly communing with the dead is possible even if the means of doing so was forbidden and reprehensible. Nor have you dealt with the massage from second Maccabees. Nor with the passage wherein the Lord silenced the Sadducees. But it does not matter. The vision of 'heaven' that you preach is so hellishly selfish and so total unbiblical that I can't help but think that in order to maintain the doctrine that you espouse as 'true' one needs a hellish vision of heaven.

I know the story. It is forbidden by God to engage the spirits of the dead. Demons answer when we do. The Maccabees is not inspired scripture, so it holds no authority for me or you.

The description of heaven I have received is from the bible only, and does not include any ideations that come from the minds of men. Your comments I take with a grain of salt.

 

[MoreCoffee]

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I don't hold speculative opinions as doctrine.

I disagree.

 

[Full O Beans]

I do not invite discussion of heresy in this thread. It is distressing enough that so much heresy has been brought to the topic of prayer so I want no more to be added.

Knowing the truth is in my wheelhouse. It is found in God's word. Heresy is far from me.

 

[Full O Beans]

I disagree.

I am not surprised!

 

[MoreCoffee]

oh there's that devious misrepresentation again .tut tut

i said those departed from us ..

when a persons here in this earth becomes separated from the flesh body and do not return to it and the body lays in the ground and rots .. they are dead . -departed from this world .
playing word games won't change the truth that attempting communication with them is a rebellious act of sin against the will of God sorry you need to repent of it if you've been practising it

The faithful departed are not dead and even though their bodies do in fact decay or are burned to ashes they themselves are with God in holy communion with him as saints in the heavens who have both love and compassion towards the faithful on Earth because in the communion of heaven love is perfected as the scriptures teach.

 

[Alithis]

The faithful departed are not dead and even though their bodies do in fact decay or are burned to ashes they themselves are with God in holy communion with him as saints in the heavens who have both love and compassion towards the faithful on Earth because in the communion of heaven love is perfected as the scriptures teach.

oh stop being ridiculous.. ..been to a funeral recently ? did you speak to the guy in the coffin ? no? why not ? ouuh because he is dead .-we are speaking of this world we live in .

 

[MoreCoffee]

oh stop being ridiculous.. ..been to a funeral recently ? did you speak to the guy in the coffin ? no? why not ? oh because he is dead - we are speaking of this world we live in.

Yes, I attended a funeral a few months ago. Funerals are encouragement to pray for one another both in this life and the next. And yes, I often speak to the faithful departed. And no, we are speaking of the life of Christ in the faithful which is present here on Earth but perfected in heaven.

 

[Alithis]

Yes, I attended a funeral a few months ago. Funerals are encouragement to pray for one another both in this life and the next. And yes, O often speak to the faithful departed. And no, we are speaking of the life of Christ in the faithful which is present here on Earth but perfected in heaven.

and was the man in the coffin alive ?.. what did he say ?

you so want the rcc teaching to be right even though they are blatantly opposed to the clear scripture forbidding communicating with those departed from us on earth that your not even using reason any more . just pure carnal dogma .

it is right to ask the believer sitting next to you,to pray for you and "with you " .
it is scriptural sinful to attempt to communicate with the departed spirits .. those who are now absent from thier body .

 

[MoreCoffee]

and was the man in the coffin alive ?.. what did he say ? ...

I know you intend to mock and I ought not to encourage you to sin so I will correct your mistake. The person was a woman, a dear friend who often comes to my thoughts and memories and whose words in life encourage me to pray for her now in death.

 

[Full O Beans]

I know you intend to mock and I ought not to encourage you to sin so I will correct your mistake. The person was a woman, a dear friend who often comes to my thoughts and memories and whose words in life encourage me to pray for her now in death.

Very touching that you loved this woman, but praying for the dead is an unfruitful thing, apart from somehow bringing you comfort. A person's eternal destiny is sealed with his final breath, and no amount of prayer can or will change it. Our prayers for people are important, and in Jesus' name, they are powerful to influence people who are alive on earth.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Very touching that you loved this woman, but praying for the dead is an unfruitful thing, apart from somehow bringing you comfort. A person's eternal destiny is sealed with his final breath, and no amount of prayer can or will change it. Our prayers for people are important, and in Jesus' name, they are powerful to influence people who are alive on earth.

If it bothers you then don't do it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head demanding that you do.

 

[visionary]

Yes, I attended a funeral a few months ago. Funerals are encouragement to pray for one another both in this life and the next. And yes, I often speak to the faithful departed. And no, we are speaking of the life of Christ in the faithful which is present here on Earth but perfected in heaven.

God advises against speaking to the dead.

 

[Full O Beans]

If it bothers you then don't do it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head demanding that you do.

It bothers God, which is why He tells us not to do it. I obey Him. What about you? Defending a behaviour that God despises isn't wise.

 

[psalms 91]

Very touching that you loved this woman, but praying for the dead is an unfruitful thing, apart from somehow bringing you comfort. A person's eternal destiny is sealed with his final breath, and no amount of prayer can or will change it. Our prayers for people are important, and in Jesus' name, they are powerful to influence people who are alive on earth.

Exactly