Is it right to ask others to pray for us?

[Alithis]

My loved ones who are with Jesus still love me, but their attention is on their reward: Jesus and the glorious presence of GOD. You see indifference. I see glory.

The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. .

 

[MoreCoffee]

The godly on earth are in communion with the saints in heaven. The creed that we say every day and the holy scriptures teach us this truth of the holy scriptures.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. .

Is that snippet quote in your post about heaven or about the resurrection state after the last judgement.

 

[Full O Beans]

The holy martyrs pray about Earthly events and times. "They shouted in a loud voice, 'Holy, true Master, how much longer will you wait before you pass sentence and take vengeance for our death on the inhabitants of the earth?'" (Revelation 6:10)

This event is one particular event prophesied in Revelation. It has been said that these martyrs are the 144,000.

In heaven there is rejoicing over the repentance of sinners on Earth. "In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing among the angels of God over one repentant sinner.'" (Luke 15:10)

Yes, indeed! This rejoicing is indeed an eruption on a huge scale when one person comes to faith in Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour. Angels!

The embellishments in this thread are the ones you keep offering in your opinions. You assert that the saints care only about their rewards because such rewards occupy their attention so much that they have no time to pray for their loved ones who are still on Earth. You speculate that those in heaven know no time and have no knowledge of Earthly matters. These things are not taught in holy scripture.

You very unintentionally revealed to us one major embellishment you accept as truth already.

 

[Alithis]

interesting that snippet about the martyrs in heaven praying (which means asking in earnest ) .they pray .. when will you avenge "us" ... oh.. they are praying for thier own request . oh well, there's excuse for praying to departed spirits nullified ...moving right along .

 

[MoreCoffee]

This event is one particular event prophesied in Revelation. It has been said that these martyrs are the 144,000.
Yes, indeed! This rejoicing is indeed an eruption on a huge scale when one person comes to faith in Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour. Angels!
You very unintentionally revealed to us one major embellishment you accept as truth already.

That you restrict heavenly celebration over the repentance of a sinner to angels alone is another case of your opinions overriding the holy scriptures. No passage says "the angels alone rejoice" yet you say it, right?

 

[MoreCoffee]

interesting that snippet about the martyrs in heaven praying (which means asking in earnest ) .they pray .. when will you avenge "us" ... oh.. they are praying for thier own request . oh well, there's excuse for praying to departed spirits nullified ..moving right along .

So quick to ignore and so slow to take note. The point made is that these holy martyrs know of the passage of Earthly time despite the denial in Full O Beans' post.

 

[Full O Beans]

That you restrict heavenly celebration over the repentance of a sinner to angels alone is another case of your opinions overriding the holy scriptures. No passage says "the angels alone rejoice" yet you say it, right?

God doesn't tell us about the spirits of those who have died in Christ. Personally, I think they are aware of the rejoicing and they join in with abandon. It's infectious---an incessant party goin' on!

My opinion doesn't matter. It's what God's word says. We can think on these things and wonder about them as much as we like, but we cannot TEACH something that is only conjecture as something that is true. We have to be careful lest we go off on some tangent and create a doctrine out of it.

 

[Alithis]

So quick to ignore and so slow to take note. The point made is that these holy martyrs know of the passage of Earthly time despite the denial in Full O Beans' post.

So quick to ignore and so slow to take note...its sinful to seek to communicate with the departed ..-end - repent of it .

 

[MoreCoffee]

God doesn't tell us about the spirits of those who have died in Christ. Personally, I think they are aware of the rejoicing and they join in with abandon. It's infectious---an incessant party goin' on!

My opinion doesn't matter. ...

Exactly right; opinions matter very little including the opinions you've presented about no awareness of time in heaven (contradicted by Revelation 6:0) and the celebration in heaven over repentant sinners being restricted to angels (not stated in holy scripture) and the apparent attention of the saints in heaven on their rewards to the exclusion of care and compassionate love for their Earthly loved ones (contradicts the teaching of Christ about love and being his disciple).

 

[Full O Beans]

So quick to ignore and so slow to take note. The point made is that these holy martyrs know of the passage of Earthly time despite the denial in Full O Beans' post.

How do you figure that? These martyrs can see the signs going on all around them. They will know what's going on by what's happening in heaven. They know who they are and what time period they come from, and what their mission was. In heaven, they have all the knowledge they need.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So quick to ignore and so slow to take note...its sinful to seek to communicate with the departed ..-end - repent of it .

The holy saints in heaven are not dead.

 

[MoreCoffee]

How do you figure that? These martyrs can see the signs going on all around them. They will know what's going on by what's happening in heaven. They know who they are and what time period they come from, and what their mission was. In heaven, they have all the knowledge they need.

and?

 

[Full O Beans]

The holy saints in heaven are not dead.

They are to us, in that they have no influence with or on any of us.

 

[Full O Beans]

and?

And...the spirits of men in heaven have no influence on our lives. The 144,000 who will come and will die as martyrs will not be considering you or me in their query.

 

[MoreCoffee]

They are to to us, in that they have no influence with or on any of us.

They may be to you they are not to the faithful. Our Lord Jesus Christ defeated the Sadducee doctrines against no angels and no spirits and no resurrection by noting that God calls himself the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob thus proving that there are in fact spirits in the presence of God and they are alive because God is God of the living not of the dead.

 

[MoreCoffee]

And...the spirits of men in heaven have no influence on our lives. The 144,000 who will come and will die as martyrs will not be considering you or me in their query.

Where do the holy scriptures say that? Are you offering another speculative opinion as doctrine?

 

[Full O Beans]

Where do the holy scriptures say that? Are you offering another speculative opinion as doctrine?

I know eschatology pretty well. Do you want to get into that?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know eschatology pretty well. Do you want to get into that?

No, I am not interested in dispensationalist eschatology and that is what I am likely to see if you do, right?

 

[MoreCoffee]

And...the spirits of men in heaven have no influence on our lives. The 144,000 who will come and will die as martyrs will not be considering you or me in their query.

Holy scripture does not say that. And it has no bearing on asking others to pray for us.