homosexuality is wrong ..BUT

[Full O Beans]

There is certain judging we are commanded to do.

 

[Brighten04]

I know many people who are gay. I love them, honor them as people who Jesus died to save.I think we have to always keep in mind that Jesus died to save the world, not to condemn it. I don't get in their face about their sin in a judgmental way. Rather, I point them to the love of God through the Word of God, and remind them of what God created them to be. But I do this only if they ask my opinion. I tell them the truth in love.

 

[psalms 91]

I know many people who are gay. I love them, honor them as people who Jesus died to save.I think we have to always keep in mind that Jesus died to save the world, not to condemn it. I don't get in their face about their sin in a judgmental way. Rather, I point them to the love of God through the Word of God, and remind them of what God created them to be. But I do this only if they ask my opinion. I tell them the truth in love.

Very good you are saying what i have trouble saying

 

[Alithis]

I know many people who are gay. I love them, honor them as people who Jesus died to save.I think we have to always keep in mind that Jesus died to save the world, not to condemn it. I don't get in their face about their sin in a judgmental way. Rather, I point them to the love of God through the Word of God, and remind them of what God created them to be. But I do this only if they ask my opinion. I tell them the truth in love.

yeah ,, we announce thier sin hard and harsh (mostly ) but it is not honest to do so without addressing all others the same way .. but a lot of the time on christendom we are harsh on that "other sin" but its a smoke screen with which we hide our own (speaking generalisations of the church ). ie adultery - i would make a "guesstimation " that some of the hardest harshest overt judges of gays are in all probability sorrowfully ensnared in 'porn addiction" and in a lot of cases simply redirecting a sense of self loathing .

yes both are "SIN"

no we should not judge,
that is to say we can judge the fact that this or that is sin . but we should not judge that this or that PERSON for being the sinner . becaseu we ourselves were saved from sin ( if we have been saved from sin .. thats defined by whether we are still enslaved to it )

sin imprisons people .. an imprisoned person does not choose to leave thier imprisonment ,they cannot .

when we see a person with a horrible sickness (take leprosy for example becaseu of its sometimes visual nature ) do we say to them oh your a leper and it is disgusting ..change your ways NOW .. ?

well some might but ,thats crazy, they cannot change the way of being a leper they have leprosy -they are imprisoned .

when we see a sinner should we say .. "you are a disgusting sinner change your ways NOW !
huh? they cant ..they also are imprisoned to it .
we are to bring them the god news .. hey "God loves you he has made a way to ope the door .. to the leper we say .. be healed to the sinner we say be freed and thus the waya made open those whose hearts seek that freedom can come on out .. those whose hearts love the depravity of sin .. don't come out .
but it is not ours to judge but to present the celebration of this god news that a way is now made open through the lord JEsus - let God do the judging when the day of Judgement comes .

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

Psalm 5:5. God "HATES" all sinners. And we're ALL sinners.

Oh dear!

 

[Alithis]

Oh dear!

nice timed use of a meme .. haha

God hates sin and he does hate those who refuse to repent of it ... the unrepentant sinner is lined up for the full judgement of God for sure .
but he hates all sinners ? cannot be .. does hate lay down its life to save that which it hates ?

no, god is love . but he hates that which destroys all that love builds (sin)so he became that which destroys love (sin) and nailed it to the cross to over come that which destroys that Love may go on to build unhindered eternally .. and there by save those who are imprisoned to it who wil turn (repent) and come to him out of the thier error and into his right .

sin always destroys is always wrong is never acceptable ..this is why repentance from the practice of sin ..to turn from it and turn TO GOD is called for as part of the way to salvation .. to leave one place and walk into another ..one place being spiritual egypt (this world and sin) and the other being the kingdom of heaven whose door is JEsus and the way through that door is a long and narrow path.. and only those who endure to the end of that path are saved .

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

... and only those who endure to the end of that path are saved .

Oh my!

 

[Alithis]

haha

 

[tango]

homosexuality is wrong ..BUT .. adultery is sort of ok .???

yes the thread TITLE is what we call a catch phrase

as professing christians we often openly strongly even belligerently denounce homosexuality ( the practice of two of the same sex lying together to practice intimate acts )
but we SELDOM discuss Adultery .

could it be that we do the former to quell the conscience of the latter ?
when did adultery become permissible ? it is a direct sin a knowing willfull sin .
we cannot do it by accident .

when is remarriage ok and not adultery ?
thats a good question..we should start there .that question affects my life (though that is a story longer then any may wish to sit and read haha )

and you know me - if you engage on the topic you must base it solely on the sound word of God .

I think one key issue here is that, speaking as a heterosexual man, it's safe to denounce homosexuality because the chances of me being caught in a compromising position with another man are more or less zero. On the other hand, the chances of being caught in a compromising position with another woman are higher, simply because I'm attracted to women. I never plan to cheat on my wife but there's always the theoretical possibility that someone might catch me at just the wrong time and I'd be tempted. And of course if I speak against adultery I then get hoist by my own sermon, but if I speak against homosexuality I'm safe.

Even without worrying about the chances of getting caught doing something it's very easy to say that Other People shouldn't be doing the things they are doing, while justifying the things I'm doing that maybe I shouldn't really be doing. And then we can get nicely caught up in the "Dear God, I thank you that I am not like this man" mentality that takes us to all sorts of unhelpful places.

It would certainly be good to see more consistency regarding this sort of thing.

 

[tango]

and the moment a christian accepts an ungodly lifestyle and keeps silent he is doing harm to the sinner and to God Himself. We love the sinner but not to the point of him going to hell because we condone the sin

This is true but it needs to be used wisely. If we conclude that homosexuality (or indeed any other activity) is Scripturally prohibited we do need to guide people away from it but it needs to be done in a loving way. Jesus had the right to throw the first stone at the woman caught in the act of adultery but instead chose not to condemn her at all. The two sides of what he said to her seem to confound both stances that seem to be taken so frequently today - "neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more" makes it clear he wasn't going to gather the faithful with pitchforks to string her up, but neither was he willing to tolerate the sin and act as if everything was fine. Today it seems, particularly on the topic of homosexuality, the church splits into some who insist they don't want gays in their church (with no reasoning to back why, or maybe a single verse plucked from Leviticus while they ignore the rest of the book) and some who insist that we should love everybody and act as if it's all OK (with equally little Scriptural reasoning as to why homosexuality is acceptable).

As with so much else, unless people are willing to get into Scripture to find the truth (rather than look for verses to confirm they are right) all that ever happens is two sides exchange blows. And, as MC said, once people start turning to Scripture as an excuse to persecute people they are in a bad place.

 

[Rens]

Can you scripture base that for me.
-my present (and teachable ) understanding is that such infidality is ground for divorce (God hates divorce) But where does it scripture state its grounds for remarriage ?
Please know i am not asking to challange im seriously asking to know..

1 Corinthians 7
Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife.28*But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned.*

 

[tango]

not at all and we are to love but I would make sure that they knew where I stood

Honestly, where you stand is probably of no interest to them. Where God stands, demonstrated with suitably quoted references to Scripture, is of more interest to a Christian.

If you're talking to a non-Christian and present an argument to them that starts with "the Bible says..." then the chances are you might as well stop talking at that point because they probably stopped listening. Until they come to see that the Bible is relevant at all there's little point quoting it to point out that their lifestyle violates Biblical standards, for the same reasons that you or I wouldn't be interested in hearing a Muslim quote from the Qu'ran to explain why eating a bacon sandwich was unacceptable.

 

[psalms 91]

Actually, stating my beliefs if they dont know is more about taking a stand for what the bible says is right or wrong as sayoing nothing condones the lifestyle. Iwill interact and be a friend but will also try to talk to them about their lifestyle leading to hell

 

[Alithis]

1 Corinthians 7
Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife.28*But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned.*

Will look further into this

 

[popsthebuilder]

Bill, respectfully, may I recommend you re-read what you quoted? I never even so much as mentioned "condone" or "silence" Not once.

IMO, the Bible consistently condemns "judging."

Christ is the judge. None other. If one judges then they will be judged in like manner. That is why we are told to be merciful. Judgement isn't condemned so much as warned against.

If one was literally without sin whatsoever then their judgement would be righteous. However, I personally have yet to meet any one utterly without any sin whatsoever.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[psalms 91]

Christ is the judge. None other. If one judges then they will be judged in like manner. That is why we are told to be merciful. Judgement isn't condemned so much as warned against.

If one was literally without sin whatsoever then their judgement would be righteous. However, I personally have yet to meet any one utterly without any sin whatsoever.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

No problem with that at all but yet we to preach the truth Paul made that clear when he called out the brother sleeping with his father s wife. There is a difference between judging and pointing out error. I have had friends who are gay and they know how I stand and my hands are clean because i cared enough to point out to them that they were hellbound on their present course. I didnt beaty them over the head with it but I also was not silent either.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No problem with that at all but yet we to preach the truth Paul made that clear when he called out the brother sleeping with his father s wife. There is a difference between judging and pointing out error. I have had friends who are gay and they know how I stand and my hands are clean because i cared enough to point out to them that they were hell bound on their present course. I didn't beat them over the head with it but I also was not silent either.

Is it "preaching the truth" to admonish others about their alleged sins but not deal with your own sins?

 

[psalms 91]

Is it "preaching the truth" to admonish others about their alleged sins but not deal with your own sins?

Of course not buut I will not enter into the debate about other sins we are discussing this one and it should stay on that topic. Confusion is spread easily anymore it seems and a favorite tactic is to change or confuse what is being talked about with other things

 

[MoreCoffee]

Of course not but I will not enter into the debate about other sins we are discussing this one and it should stay on that topic. Confusion is spread easily any more it seems and a favorite tactic is to change or confuse what is being talked about with other things

The topic appears to be "shall we seek to punish folk who are gay or lesbian or transgendered or hermaphrodite because we hold in high regard the holy scriptures which appear to condemn having sex with somebody else outside of marriage"?

 

[psalms 91]

Nope and I dont think it is about that at all. It is about homosexuality. I do not punish nor condemn the person I do however condemn the act and if you mean by punish that people are forced to do anything toward this lifestyle that they disagree with on religious grounds then I think you and I may have a disagreement