Speaking in tongues?

[Hammster]

What if it was not unknown to you but it was to the others around you...how would you know?

Then there's no point in speaking it.


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[psalms 91]

In teresting, I know of many stories of people preaching without an interpreter to a crowd of people that the preacher did not know the language and was understood

 

[Hammster]

That would be a known language. That would be biblical. What passes for tongues in most cases today is nothing but gibberish.


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[psalms 91]

Anything you hear would be gibberish unless you spoke the language

 

[Hammster]

Anything you hear would be gibberish unless you spoke the language

And if nobody speaks the language, it's not necessary.


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[tango]

I believe and operate in it. I know not everyone thinks it is for today so was just wondering what everyone believes about this

I think you really have to torture Scriptural context to argue that the gifts have ceased. I also think you have to torture Scripture to conclude that everybody should speak in tongues, or that if you don't speak in tongues you can't experience any of the other gifts. I don't personally speak in tongues but really can't understand the argument that they aren't for today.

 

[tango]

I don't believe the Tongues of the Bible is the Tongues of today.

If anything I think it can be off-putting to non-Christians and even Christians if they're meant to feel it's something someone 'achieves' or is 'granted' as a result of X, Y or Z.

God knows everything we ever were and ever will be. I don't feel I need, or should, blurt out syllables and consider it a language, much less an act that's edifying or something that will draw me closer to God.

I agree with the suspicion I'm seeing implied here that a lot of people just rattle off a load of gibberish and claim they are "speaking in tongues", and arguments that speaking in tongues is some kind of reward for a higher level of spirituality is usually damaging if not outright destructive.

I see no Scriptural basis to consider Tongues as being present in the world today.

I can't see anything in Scripture that says tongues are not for today.

An interesting observation I made. Back in 2008 I was with some Christian friends at a retreat and one of them was praying for me. At one point his voice lowered and he was praying in what sounded like a coherent language, but not one I understood. A few days ago I was looking at some Hebrew words, and suddenly registered that one word I was reading was something that cropped up several times in his prayer. So although I didn't know it at the time, it now appears he was praying in Hebrew. As far as I know he didn't have a natural understanding of Hebrew. Sadly I've lost contact with him so can't ask him about it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

All the examples of 'speaking in tongues' that I have heard are, in my opinion, examples of speaking gibberish without any sign that the Holy Spirit is at work.

 

[Alithis]

hi late entry to the thread .. i believe in all the gifts(inablements or what ever terminology we wish to tag it with ) of the holy Spirit .
i speak in tongues a lot and not enough methinks ..

as some one else reminded me recently.. the very act of doing so exercises faith every time ..i encourage all to ask for it and to desire earnestly ALL the gifts

 

[Alithis]

All the examples of 'speaking in tongues' that I have heard are, in my opinion, examples of speaking gibberish without any sign that the Holy Spirit is at work.

i hear that a lot but ya know ... i also hear people of many nations speaking other languages and they sound like gibberish to me also .I think we must remember that just because we do not understand the words a person is speaking praying or singing .. and it "sounds like" gibberish .. does not mean it is gibberish . it only means we cannot understand it .

so we must be careful how we speak about it . a man from, say Bangladesh, could stand beside you and speak quickly to you in his own tongue and we could say go away you annoying person .. only to find he was a christian and was trying to explain the gospel to us .. and we mocked him.
of course that can happen via misunderstanding .. but the truth is it can only happen when we base our judgment of the event on the outer appearance . and nothing to do with the lord is about the outer appearance ..it all begins in the heart and is seen by god in the heart for he looks upon the heart of man .
so we cannot be so swift to make judgment of tongues based on the outer sound our outer ears hear .
it is a spiritual language .. there are over 2000 major languages and how many dialects on the earth ? if the natural tongues of man are so varied -how much more so the language of the holy Spirit.

having said that i have also observed outwardly ...I do have ears haha . that at times the differing tongues i speak in are as distinctly different as English is from Swahili .i know when i am praying for the lost it is one tongue and when i am praying in spiritual warfare it is another tongue etc ..
of course some will ask how do you know what you are praying for ..? i don't always but often the lord shows that to me .after all i also asked him for the gift of interpretation f tongues and discernment of Spirits and word of Knowledge and gift of healing etc .. After all it is written to earnestly desire (covet) ALL the gifts .. so i Do, i ask and i receive,. after all if we do not believe that we will recive what we ask the lord for .. then we have no place praying to him .

 

[Alithis]

to all

have you ever had that time when you have prayed and prayed and prayed and you simply are emptied.. you honestly have no clue what else you can possible pray ... you don't want to be vainly repetitious .there is little sincerity in chanting the same thing over and over . relationship does not communicate that way .(.well none that i know of lol ).it would be a rather tiresome relationship of my partner said the same things to me every day in a repetitive chant .

it is at this point where our ability to speak everything we so long to speak has become our inability to express the deep things of our heart ,that the holy Spirit quickens in us to utterance and we begin to speak by HIS ability and communicate with the Lord in a manner that fully transcends the limits of carnal comprehension and the things of the holy Spirit and the things of our spirit entwine in a depth of communication that prays out HIS heart to us and our hear to Him in the union of the Spirit .. and all by faith . always by faith.- only believe

 

[psalms 91]

hi late entry to the thread .. i believe in all the gifts(inablements or what ever terminology we wish to tag it with ) of the holy Spirit .
i speak in tongues a lot and not enough methinks ..

as some one else reminded me recently.. the very act of doing so exercises faith every time ..i encourage all to ask for it and to desire earnestly ALL the gifts

This, yes!

 

[Hammster]

I will not give any weight to experiences unless they can be backed with scripture. Tongues is very limited in scripture. And it's always a known language. It's never used as a prayer language.


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[Josiah]

I believe it is not possible to know what "it" was.... thus if what some claim "it" is, actually is "tongues."

I have no idea as to it's value: whatever "it" was.... and whatever "it" is...... "it" doesn't seem to promote Christ or love, it seems to have NOTHING to do with the Great Commandment or
Great Commission.



- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

Languages have structure, syntax, and vocabulary but tongues lacks these. Gibberish spoken by any practitioner also lacks structure, vocabulary, and syntax. The conclusion is that what is passed off as tongues is gibberish. That is why some recent Pentecostal commentaries suggest that tongues is not any human language and ought not be expected to adhere to human language rules. Some claim that tongues is best understood as a heavenly/angelic language. That is also a good indication that what is passed off as tongues is gibberish.

 

[psalms 91]

I am curious if you are 100 per cent sure of that? If not dont you think it would be better to reserve judgement as you might just be coming against God? Toungues is in the bible for sure so to say it is not of God goes against the Word

 

[tango]

I am curious if you are 100 per cent sure of that? If not dont you think it would be better to reserve judgement as you might just be coming against God? Toungues is in the bible for sure so to say it is not of God goes against the Word

What is there to be sure about?

It's usually easy enough to tell if what someone is saying has some form of structure or not.

The same God who inspired Paul to write "test all things" and John to write "test the spirits" is unlikely to have issues with us testing things. The fact that tongues are in the Bible doesn't mean that anyone speaking something we don't understand is speaking in tongues - it's not difficult to open your mouth and make up a load of gibberish in the hopes people will think you're extra spiritual.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am curious if you are 100 per cent sure of that? If not dont you think it would be better to reserve judgement as you might just be coming against God? Toungues is in the bible for sure so to say it is not of God goes against the Word

I am sure of it, I am confident that what is passed off as a heavenly language and as a gift of the Holy Spirit is neither and that its practise is of no special benefit.

 

[psalms 91]

I have given and interpreted messages in toungues and I have no doubt about its validity. What I think happens is that people do not have a good connection with the Holy Spirit and therefore cannot discern between what iis of God and what is of man so they just get rid of all of it, like so many other things of God. I have heard messages in toungues that I knew were from God and others that I knew were not. The key is to be in touch with the spirit realm to discern.

 

[Hammster]

I have given and interpreted messages in toungues and I have no doubt about its validity. What I think happens is that people do not have a good connection with the Holy Spirit and therefore cannot discern between what iis of God and what is of man so they just get rid of all of it, like so many other things of God. I have heard messages in toungues that I knew were from God and others that I knew were not. The key is to be in touch with the spirit realm to discern.

And there we have it. If you don't speak in tongues, you aren't spiritual enough.


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