Why was Mary necessary?

[Full O Beans]

Did He not go down to Hell and shatter death?

Jesus went to Hades, Abraham's Bosom, the place of the righteous dead, awaiting their Messiah. When He burst forth out of the tomb, He broke the power of death.

 

[George]

Jesus went to Hades, Abraham's Bosom, the place of the righteous dead, awaiting their Messiah. When He burst forth out of the tomb, He broke the power of death.

But how did He do that if He was human?

 

[Full O Beans]

But how did He do that if He was human?

Do you not know that Jesus is equally man and equally God?

Accept that fact, but also realize that Mary's role in her life was to be a wife and mother, and one of her children was Jesus, the Son of God. Her role was to raise him along with the others, and she did so. When He was twelve, He began to distance Himself as He followed His Father's lead, until He finally openly revealed Himself to the world, revealing His great power starting at a wedding in Cana. He declared Himself as the Son, always the Son. We should, too. He is our Saviour, and Mary declared Jesus her Saviour as well. She is the most blessed mother of Jesus, as the scriptures consistently refers to her---nothing more.

 

[Josiah]

And you will now denounce me for using the title "Bible" since God never used that word in the Scriptures, either.


I find it remarkable to see posters stating the two affirmations here are TRUE and BIBLICAL (Mary bore Jesus and Jesus is divine - God) and then insisting the very things they just said are true are therefore wrong, false, blasphemy. Amazing. Incredible.



You seem to want to insist that Scripture is wrong all those times it refers to JESUS as "GOD." Your point here seems to be He must be called by ALL the things that apply to him, not just one aspect, so that we may ONLY refer to Him as "God, Man, Hebrew, Male, Middle-Aged, from Galilee, etc., etc., etc. " To just state one aspect (albeit the most important one) you seem to insist is wrong, including all the times Scripture does what you condemn (Scripture NEVER uses ALL the aspects of Jesus when referring to Him). So, I take it you would denounce when the news refers to Mr. Obama as PRESIDENT Obama since he is not ONLY EXCLUSIVE president - he is also a man, a husband, a father, a lawyer, a citizen, a licensed car driver, a college graduate, a golfer - your whole point seems to be because Jesus is not ONLY God we cannot call Him "GOD." So I'm sure you never refer to Obama as PRESIDENT Obama since he is not ONLY the president. Do you denounce all those who use that title for Obama with the same zeal you denounce calling Jesus "GOD", do you insist it's "wrong" and "false" to call him PRESIDENT Obama? Your point is silly.... and one you don't accept so why should we?



So, Scripture is wrong to refer to JESUS as "Lord" too? Blasphemy to refer to Mary as the "Mother of the Lord?" So, you denounce Scripture, St. Luke and Elizebeth in Luke 1:43 when she refers to Mary as "the mother of my LORD." Scripture says Mary is the "Mother" of the "LORD." Is Scripture here thus blasphemy, wrong, false? Was Elizabeth speaking from the devil, was some demon speaking heresy and blasphemy through Elizabeth in Luke 1:43? Do you denounce and repudiate Luke 1:43 for calling Mary the "Mother of the Lord?" Rebuking Scripture there?






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... bible..... bible....

Twice in just one post you used a term/title NEVER found in Scripture. Thus you REJECT your own premise that we can't use titles and terms not found in Scripture. Since you reject your point that we can't use titles/terms not found in the Bible, ergo we must reject your point there.


Read what you quoted.





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[TurtleHare]

.. the word of god did not become God .

Do you see the contradiction there?

 

[Full O Beans]

Do you see the contradiction there?

There is no contradiction there, except the small g is a typo. The Word of God became flesh---Jesus.

John 1:1-5
In the beginning the Word already existed.
The Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
2 He existed in the beginning with God.
3 God created everything through him,
and nothing was created except through him.
4 The Word gave life to everything that was created,
and his life brought light to everyone.
5 The light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness can never extinguish it.

 

[TurtleHare]

I'm not sure why you're responding when it wasn't even directed toward you? Alithis is the one who insists Jesus wasn't God the entire time while on Earth, but he won't say when Jesus stopped being God and started again and that's why his post was a contradiction.

 

[Full O Beans]

I'm not sure why you're responding when it wasn't even directed toward you? Alithis is the one who insists Jesus wasn't God the entire time while on Earth, but he won't say when Jesus stopped being God and started again and that's why his post was a contradiction.

I don't believe that Alithis said or believes that. This is what we believe:

 

[Alithis]

Do you see the contradiction there?

i see you misrepresenting a sentance out of the context it came from .which is dishonest.

i have been falsely accused of calling the scriptures a lie .

had not a certain person reiterated such false accusation(without evidence)i would not have returned to the thread.
but since i returned and hunted for the source of this false accusation and found it to be as i knew..False.i have now replied. there is no post where i have done so. nor would i do so.

This false accusation has mostly arisen every time i have asked this question..."where in the scriptures does God ever call mary "the mother of God" ?where does he use those words to describe her ,refer to her,foretell of her or speak of her ,using the words..
"mother of God" in hebrew greek or english.
show me that verse .

i have Not asked show me where you clump verses together and then add the title on the end of it.

i have asked show me the scripture where God the father or the son or the holy spirit ever states that " mary is the- mother of God.
using the words " mother of God" .

for the most part when i ask that question i get both answers that do not show it and i get falsely accused of calling scripture a lie.
a false accusation in steed of an honest answer.

because you cant give me the scripture where God gives anyone the title or egen uses the phrase.."mother of God".

 

[Alithis]

I'm not sure why you're responding when it wasn't even directed toward you? Alithis is the one who insists Jesus wasn't God the entire time while on Earth, but he won't say when Jesus stopped being God and started again and that's why his post was a contradiction.

iv not said anything scripture does not say
..who does paul say the one mediator between man and God is?

is paul denying who jesus is..no.and neither have i
Quit the false accusation. and misrepresentation of my posts.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I don't believe that Alithis said or believes that. This is what we believe:

It looks vaguely Masonic :yikes:

 

[Full O Beans]

It looks vaguely Masonic :yikes:

But it isn't, is it? So why speak of it other than to be negative? It's obvious the truth is right there.

 

[George]

It looks vaguely Masonic :yikes:

So I wasn't the only one who got scared either by that. :lol:

 

[MoreCoffee]

But it isn't, is it? So why speak of it other than to be negative? It's obvious the truth is right there.

I think it is too clever by half as the saying goes. A case of people trying to be smarter than they are and maybe smarter than God. The idea that a drawing on paper is going to explain the mystery of God is close to crazy.

 

[MoreCoffee]

So I wasn't the only one who got scared either by that. :lol:

I know people like to have diagrams for almost everything nowadays and sometimes a picture can help when explaining a difficult concept but the mystery of God is not really explained by a picture. All of the analogies I've heard have left me wondering how they really help.

 

[Full O Beans]

I think it is too clever by half as the saying goes. A case of people trying to be smarter than they are and maybe smarter than God. The idea that a drawing on paper is going to explain the mystery of God is close to crazy.

It's obvious that some people need that kind of simple help. I am happy to give it, whether it is graciously received...or not.

 

[Alithis]

It's obvious that some people need that kind of simple help. I am happy to give it, whether it is graciously received...or not.

i think they got a fright because they thought you were going to post picture pictures of sun god worship .. showing the same symbols the rcc still uses today etc ...

 

[Full O Beans]

i think they got a fright because they thought you were going to post picture pictures of sun god worship .. showing the same symbols the rcc still uses today etc ...

Lolol! Oh, what fear a triangle can incite!

 

[MoreCoffee]

What foolishness levity can create.

 

[Alithis]

God in the scriptures does*not*Give mary the title mother of god .. because she is not the mother of God ..she is the mother of the flesh man .

some refuse to see this distinction . the word of God became flesh .. the word of god did not become God .mary is not the mother of god she is the mother of the flesh man .

for those who so struggle with this simple distinction
consider more scripture from paul to Timothy -"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,-the man-Christ Jesus; .........." note he does not say "the God Christ Jesus .. but the MAN . paul has no problem making the distinction ,knowing that the word of god gave up his divine right and became .. A MAN .*And at the same time Paul recognises who the lord jesus is ,yet still makes this distinction between the man . and GOD , between the son and the father . is paul denying who the lord Jesus is by making this distinction.. ?-don't be silly of course he is not . Nor Am I .

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And for what purpose is mary given that title by Some MEn of religious influence some 400 approximate years after the book of acts ? since God did not give it nor ever will . ?
what is to be gained ?- control
why the persistence in it ?*-they are unrepentant
should we not be more concerned with glorifying the LOrd Jesus ?-yes we should for he ALONE is worthy of such praise .
do we deny that JEsus is lord by denying somthing HE as LORD has never said ? (ie that mary is the mother of "GOD" ) nope .
where in his word does he says "who so ever denies mary is the mother of God is denying me "? well, he doesnt say that ,because she isn't . and denying the title given by MAN ..in noi ways denies the lord JEsus or his written holy Scriptures . but it does deny some folks opinion . and they get upset and make false accusations ..but they did that to the lord Jesus also.

The apostles never saw fit to mention a title for many in ANY of the thier epistles to the congregations throughout the evangelized world ..
No, only a group with its own agenda, an agenda opposed to the truth of the lord JEsus, saw fit to introduce a title that GOD NEVER gave .*

and why ? because when we read of mary and all that describes her in the scripture (which is not a lot ) and then we read of the mary of the*
RCC

-we see plainly .. we are not speaking of the same person .


the mary of the bible is NOT called the mother of GOD
the mary of the bible is NOT the queen of heaven*
the mary of the bible is NOT born devine having no sin
the mary of the bible is NOT a perpetual virgin
the mary of the bible is NOT a co-mediator ...

so this mary they speak of ,is a different person then the mary in the Holy scripture .. she is a moon goddess of pagan times dating back to nimrods mother .. the mother of the "sun" god -do the research .
(given a variance of names over the ages including queen of heaven) -that is who the rcc is describing with all those titles.*
that is why NONE of those titles are in the scriptures . because (all)scripture is given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost .. and none of those titles originate in God -they are not of the Holy Spirit but of the spirit of antiChrist who is already at work in the children of disobedience .

i repeat this text because it answers many of the False accusations without me having to type and get sent of down ambiguous rabbit holes by those who want to hide this .information./ .

and the main point in summary of the tire thread topic.

why was mary necessary ? ANSWER : mary was not , but a VIRGIN of the correct linage who was betrothed to joseph was .For god had foretold that the sign to israel of the messiah (among other signs) would be that he was to be born of a virgin . other then that "mary has no other attribute . "

-then the topic morphed to calling her "the mother of God " -which she is not she is the mother of the flesh MAn .
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No one has been able to bring forth the scriptural text where God in ANY form cals mary "the mother of God " using the words "mother of God " -
the question is - where in scripture does GOD call mary or refer to mary in present past or future tense as " mother of God " ?

the question is not - How can you mash together a few verses to self justify why you "call her" that .
the question is where in scripture does god ever do so ,using the term, phrase or words .." Mother of God " ?

see if you can answer the question honestly without making accusations and attacking the asker .