Article says you can become a Virgin again

[Lamb]

In God's eyes that is.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/hottopics/sexabstinence/can-you-become-virgin-again.html

How do you begin that kind of transformation? You can't manage it on your own. You need God's power and forgiveness. And where do you find that? You ask for it. Spiritual transformation begins as simply and as mysteriously as that. You ask, admitting your need. And God goes to work in your life.

So when you've stopped having sex and asked for forgiveness, can you call yourself a virgin? Perhaps you are no longer a virgin in the physical sense. But because you have been purified by God, you are virgin in his eyes. That may not clear up your reputation or your memory. But it does clear up your future with God. You are as good as new.

Any thoughts on this??

 

[Stravinsk]

In God's eyes that is.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/hottopics/sexabstinence/can-you-become-virgin-again.html





Any thoughts on this??

Yeah, lol, articles like that are one of the reasons I don't read Christianity Today.

I don't see why the author seems to feel it necessary to split a physical reality into two parts - physical and spiritual, then argue that after repentance and abstinence God somehow sees it differently? Why not just accept forgiveness for the reality?

 

[Full O Beans]

In God's eyes that is.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/hottopics/sexabstinence/can-you-become-virgin-again.html

Any thoughts on this??

It is very true, and what makes the Good News good! When we return to the Lord in true repentance, confessing our sins, His blood cleanses us, and we are made whole and holy in His eyes.

1 John 1:9
But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

 

[psalms 91]

Yes and better yet they are forgotten to be remembered no more

 

[Stravinsk]

It is very true, and what makes the Good News good! When we return to the Lord in true repentance, confessing our sins, His blood cleanses us, and we are made whole and holy in His eyes.

1 John 1:9
But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

So you can pretend you're a virgin even when that is not true?

The article is disingenuous. If the reality isn't going to change, the memory isn't going to change for the person who is no longer a virgin - why ask for God to change either of those? This aspect of being forgiven for sin is not to pretend it didn't happen (for any sin), but to acknowledge that it happened. If acknowledgement is required, then asking God to pretend it didn't happen (asking God to lie to Himself) is taking away the whole basis for which the forgiveness is granted in the first place. 1. Acknowledgement 2. Repentance.

The article is pure spiritual fluff, probably written by someone paid to write and promote "Christianity Today"

 

[Full O Beans]

So you can pretend you're a virgin even when that is not true?

The article is disingenuous. If the reality isn't going to change, the memory isn't going to change for the person who is no longer a virgin - why ask for God to change either of those? This aspect of being forgiven for sin is not to pretend it didn't happen (for any sin), but to acknowledge that it happened. If acknowledgement is required, then asking God to pretend it didn't happen (asking God to lie to Himself) is taking away the whole basis for which the forgiveness is granted in the first place. 1. Acknowledgement 2. Repentance.

The article is pure spiritual fluff, probably written by someone paid to write and promote "Christianity Today"

There is no pretense in receiving complete cleansing from sin. When God justifies us, it is as though we have never sinned at all. Our sin is GONE, GONE, GONE! We can walk away free from any stigma, or guilt, and still have the consequence such as a child born out of wedlock, but with a whole new paradigm.

No, freedom from past sin is a very real and precious thing for those who believe God and what He says about the blood of Jesus and what it does for us.

 

[Stravinsk]

There is no pretense in receiving complete cleansing from sin. When God justifies us, it is as though we have never sinned at all. Our sin is GONE, GONE, GONE! We can walk away free from any stigma, or guilt, and still have the consequence such as a child born out of wedlock, but with a whole new paradigm.

No, freedom from past sin is a very real and precious thing for those who believe God and what He says about the blood of Jesus and what it does for us.

Freedom from sin has nothing to do with pretending it never happened or asking God to pretend it never happened. If I forgive a brother or sister who sins against me, neither do I pretend it never happened after that. I change my attitude toward them with regards to whatever it is they have done against me, because they have changed their attitude on it, acknowledged wrongdoing and with this comes a change in behavior.

Edit: Losing Virginity isn't something you can really repent of. It's sort of like apologizing for being 22 a year ago when you are now 23. One can be sorry, but really there is no point in making a great big deal of it, since the reality isn't something that can be changed now.

Of course, not without LYING to yourself or pretending God does with disingenuous articles like the one quoted.

 

[Full O Beans]

Freedom from sin has nothing to do with pretending it never happened or asking God to pretend it never happened. If I forgive a brother or sister who sins against me, neither do I pretend it never happened after that. I change my attitude toward them with regards to whatever it is they have done against me, because they have changed their attitude on it, acknowledged wrongdoing and with this comes a change in behavior.

There is no pretense in receiving true forgiveness, God's justification and the righteousness of Christ. We walk in newness of life!

Romans 6:4
Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[TurtleHare]

In God's eyes that is.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/hottopics/sexabstinence/can-you-become-virgin-again.html



Any thoughts on this??

It's lame! Think about it? If you kill someone and repent, God forgives you and you are justified but that doesn't bring back the person you killed now does it so of course it doesn't bring back your virginity either. What rubbish.

 

[Full O Beans]

It's lame! Think about it? If you kill someone and repent, God forgives you and you are justified but that doesn't bring back the person you killed now does it so of course it doesn't bring back your virginity either. What rubbish.

It's not rubbish when one who is plagued with guilt over his/her sin receives complete pardon and is made wholly new in Jesus! Justified in Christ means that to God, it is as though you have never sinned.

 

[Josiah]

In God's eyes that is.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/hottopics/sexabstinence/can-you-become-virgin-again.html



Any thoughts on this??

Sometimes what Christians write, say and teach is embarrassing. My good friend (a Spanish Catholic) is fond of saying the only problem with Catholicism is Catholics. The same is true for Christianity and Christians. I think Christians often do Christ and Christianity a lot of harm by the silly things they proclaim doctrinally.


Then again, sometimes it's just sloppiness. From the standpoint of FORGIVENESS, yes - when God forgives, the GUILT of that is gone and the SIN is forgiven. But that doesn't undo the consequence. Can a person be forgiven for sinful sex? SURE! Does the unborn baby thus disappear? Nope. Can a person be forgiven for shooting someone? SURE! Does that make the person come back to life? Sometimes people should THINK before they say/post/teach something. It would keep a great deal of harm from happening.

 

[Rens]

In God's eyes that is.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/iyf/hottopics/sexabstinence/can-you-become-virgin-again.html



Any thoughts on this??

Amazing! I am now a virgin with 3 kids.

 

[Lamb]

Amazing! I am now a virgin with 3 kids.

Wait til their dad finds out, right? :birgits_giggle:

 

[Brighten04]

Virginal as in PURE. Yes we can be pure as Lord Jesus Christ is pure.

1 John 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He is, so are we in this world.

 

[psalms 91]

absolutely

 

[Full O Beans]

Sometimes what Christians write, say and teach is embarrassing. My good friend (a Spanish Catholic) is fond of saying the only problem with Catholicism is Catholics. The same is true for Christianity and Christians. I think Christians often do Christ and Christianity a lot of harm by the silly things they proclaim doctrinally.


Then again, sometimes it's just sloppiness. From the standpoint of FORGIVENESS, yes - when God forgives, the GUILT of that is gone and the SIN is forgiven. But that doesn't undo the consequence. Can a person be forgiven for sinful sex? SURE! Does the unborn baby thus disappear? Nope. Can a person be forgiven for shooting someone? SURE! Does that make the person come back to life? Sometimes people should THINK before they say/post/teach something. It would keep a great deal of harm from happening.

Not one person has ever said that the consequence disappears, nor do we all of a sudden get amnesia. In fact it has already been said that the consequence of a child born out of wedlock remains. As forgiven and renewed people in Christ, we can see ourselves the way God sees us. What a reason for hope and joy! God's AMAZING grace!

Sometimes people should really think about what happens in the heavenly realm---a very real realm---before they cater to the terrestrial. How God sees things is how we need to see things, which is what sets us apart from the world.

 

[tango]

There is no pretense in receiving complete cleansing from sin. When God justifies us, it is as though we have never sinned at all. Our sin is GONE, GONE, GONE! We can walk away free from any stigma, or guilt, and still have the consequence such as a child born out of wedlock, but with a whole new paradigm.

No, freedom from past sin is a very real and precious thing for those who believe God and what He says about the blood of Jesus and what it does for us.

Except what works in the spiritual sense doesn't necessarily work in the physical sense.

God can forgive murder, rape, robbery etc but there is still a secular price to be paid, a punishment to serve. The fact God forgives us means we are clean in his eyes, not that we get a get-out-of-jail-free card. The fact God will "remember no more" and not hold our sin against us doesn't change the consequences of what we did here on earth.

Where virginity is concerned if it has been lost there are potential other consequences (not least STIs etc). I think it would be very wrong to pretend to a new partner that we were a virgin when in fact we were not.

 

[Full O Beans]

Except what works in the spiritual sense doesn't necessarily work in the physical sense.

God can forgive murder, rape, robbery etc but there is still a secular price to be paid, a punishment to serve. The fact God forgives us means we are clean in his eyes, not that we get a get-out-of-jail-free card. The fact God will "remember no more" and not hold our sin against us doesn't change the consequences of what we did here on earth.

Where virginity is concerned if it has been lost there are potential other consequences (not least STIs etc). I think it would be very wrong to pretend to a new partner that we were a virgin when in fact we were not.

That is mostly correct. Often the consequences are still to be borne out, but in Jesus, it is not a burdensome thing. Yet, sometimes the consequence itself is wiped out...God's great mercy prevails there, praise God for that!

That a woman is forgiven and returned to purity in the eyes of her Saviour doesn't follow that she would lie to her spouse or potential spouse!!! Once again, the freedom we are given by God doesn't employ pretense!

 

[tango]

That is mostly correct. Often the consequences are still to be borne out, but in Jesus, it is not a burdensome thing. Yet, sometimes the consequence itself is wiped out...God's great mercy prevails there, praise God for that!

It may not be a burdensome thing but I don't know that I'd want to spend many years in jail for rape, forgiven by God or not. From what I gather rapists don't get a particularly good time inside. I wouldn't presume to say whether or not it would be a burdensome to spend years in jail knowing that any one of the other prisoners might try and do you in without warning.

That a woman is forgiven and returned to purity in the eyes of her Saviour doesn't follow that she would lie to her spouse or potential spouse!!! Once again, the freedom we are given by God doesn't employ pretense!

I'm not sure what you're saying here. I think you're saying that a forgiven woman (it could just as easily be a man, of course) doesn't necessarily have to lie about it. My point is that it's silly to regard ourselves as being a virgin if the truth is we aren't. I'd rather describe myself as a forgiven sinner than think I never did anything wrong.

 

[Brighten04]

Except what works in the spiritual sense doesn't necessarily work in the physical sense.

God can forgive murder, rape, robbery etc but there is still a secular price to be paid, a punishment to serve. The fact God forgives us means we are clean in his eyes, not that we get a get-out-of-jail-free card. The fact God will "remember no more" and not hold our sin against us doesn't change the consequences of what we did here on earth.

Where virginity is concerned if it has been lost there are potential other consequences (not least STIs etc). I think it would be very wrong to pretend to a new partner that we were a virgin when in fact we were not.

We are talking about the article Tango. OK, here are a couple of bits from the article.

You can lose your physical virginity just once. If you did it, you did it. You can't get that first time back again. And the past carries with it physical and emotional consequences. If memories have been etched on your brain, you can't pretend they're gone. But spiritually, it is quite possible to start all over again.

Spiritual rebirth doesn't destroy the past. It transforms it. A second chance, spiritually, means there are no limitations to what you can become. The God who made the universe out of nothing can take your past and make from it something beautiful.

So when you've stopped having sex and asked for forgiveness, can you call yourself a virgin? Perhaps you are no longer a virgin in the physical sense. But because you have been purified by God, you are virgin in his eyes. That may not clear up your reputation or your memory. But it does clear up your future with God. You are as good as new.