Why was Mary necessary?

[Full O Beans]

Yes, the Catholic Church, founded by the Lord Jesus Christ built on the apostles and prophets with Christ himself as the chief corner stone, is the most ancient Christian Church. The one holy Catholic an apostolic church.



You haven't read the Creed of Chalcedon have you? If you had then you'd know that the Church has always taught that Mary is the mother of Jesus and that Jesus is God and that therefore Blessed Mary is the mother of God.

Creeds are for the religious.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Creeds are for the religious.

You are very religious.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The CC might be old, but it is

The one holy Catholic and apostolic Church founded by the Lord Jesus Christ

a religion apart from true Christianity, and is NOT the Church of Jesus Christ. Jesus never established it. It never emerged on the scene until early in the 4th century.

Your knowledge of history is very poor.

I do not doubt that you think your religion is biblical and that your doctrines are all true but your answers here and in other threads show that your doctrines are man made traditions that do not come form God and are not taught in the holy scriptures.

 

[Alithis]

Really?

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.
(1 Peter 3:18-22)

exactly .. Christ died .. christ means .. the anointed one

 

[MoreCoffee]

exactly .. Christ died .. christ means .. the anointed one

Jesus is the Christ and he is God.

 

[Alithis]

Jesus is the Christ and he is God.

he is and always was and always will be one with the father
\but at the point he became flesh mary became the mother of that flesh MAN .

you wont change my stance ion it because you can't EVER show me where God gave her the title "mother of God" becaseu GOD DID NOT do so .

man did .

choice - God .. HOLY/ SPIRIT /incorruptible
Man..sinful /erroneous

i'll take God's word thanks .
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for what purpose is mary given that title since God did not give it nor ever will . ?
what is to be gained ?
why the persistence in it ?
should we not be more concerned with glorifying the LOrd jesus ?

The apostles never saw for to mention it in ANY of the thier epistles to the congregations throughout the evangelized world ..
no only a group with its own agenda, an agenda opposed to the truth of the lord JEsus saw fit to introduce a title that GOD NEVER gave .

and why ? because when we read of mary and all that describes her in the scripture (which is not a lot ) and then we read of the mary of the RCC -we see plainly .. we are not speaking of the same person .


the mary of the bible is NOT called the mother of GOD
the mary of the bible is NOT the queen of heaven
the mary of the bible is NOT born devine having no sin
the mary of the bible is NOT a perpetual virgin
the mary of the bible is NOT a co-mediator ...

so this mary they speak of ,is a different person then the mary in the Holy scripture .. she is a moon goddess of pagan times dating back to nimrods mother .. the mother of the "sun" god -do the research .
(given a variance of names over the ages including queen of heaven) -that is who the rcc is describing with all those titles.
that is why NONE of those titles are in the scriptures . because (all)scripture is given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost .. and none of those titles originate in God .

 

[MoreCoffee]

he is and always was and always will be ...

Mary is the mother of God. It's not rocket science

 

[Alithis]

Mary is the mother of God. It's not rocket science

rocket science is not scripture either .

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for what purpose is mary given that title since God did not give it nor ever will . ?
what is to be gained ?
why the persistence in it ?
should we not be more concerned with glorifying the LOrd jesus ?

The apostles never saw for to mention it in ANY of the thier epistles to the congregations throughout the evangelized world ..
no only a group with its own agenda, an agenda opposed to the truth of the lord JEsus saw fit to introduce a title that GOD NEVER gave .

and why ? because when we read of mary and all that describes her in the scripture (which is not a lot ) and then we read of the mary of the RCC -we see plainly .. we are not speaking of the same person .


the mary of the bible is NOT called the mother of GOD
the mary of the bible is NOT the queen of heaven
the mary of the bible is NOT born devine having no sin
the mary of the bible is NOT a perpetual virgin
the mary of the bible is NOT a co-mediator ...

so this mary they speak of ,is a different person then the mary in the Holy scripture .. she is a moon goddess of pagan times dating back to nimrods mother .. the mother of the "sun" god -do the research .
(given a variance of names over the ages including queen of heaven) -that is who the rcc is describing with all those titles.
that is why NONE of those titles are in the scriptures . because (all)scripture is given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost .. and none of those titles originate in God .

 

[MoreCoffee]

rocket science is not scripture either . ...

You want to teach Luddite practises?

 

[Alithis]

God in the scriptures does not Give mary the title mother of god .. because she is not the mother of God ..she is the mother of the flesh man .

some refuse to see this distinction . the word of God became flesh .. the word of god did not become God .mary is not the mother of god she is the mother of the flesh man .

for those who so struggle with this simple distinction
consider more scripture from paul to Timothy "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; .........." note he does not say "the God christ Jesus .. but the MAN . paul has no problem making the distinction ,knowing that the word of god gave up his divine right and became .. A MAN .

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for what purpose is mary given that title since God did not give it nor ever will . ?
what is to be gained ?
why the persistence in it ?
should we not be more concerned with glorifying the LOrd jesus ?

The apostles never saw fit to mention it in ANY of the thier epistles to the congregations throughout the evangelized world ..
no only a group with its own agenda, an agenda opposed to the truth of the lord JEsus saw fit to introduce a title that GOD NEVER gave .

and why ? because when we read of mary and all that describes her in the scripture (which is not a lot ) and then we read of the mary of the RCC -we see plainly .. we are not speaking of the same person .


the mary of the bible is NOT called the mother of GOD
the mary of the bible is NOT the queen of heaven
the mary of the bible is NOT born devine having no sin
the mary of the bible is NOT a perpetual virgin
the mary of the bible is NOT a co-mediator ...

so this mary they speak of ,is a different person then the mary in the Holy scripture .. she is a moon goddess of pagan times dating back to nimrods mother .. the mother of the "sun" god -do the research .
(given a variance of names over the ages including queen of heaven) -that is who the rcc is describing with all those titles.
that is why NONE of those titles are in the scriptures . because (all)scripture is given by inspiration of the Holy Ghost .. and none of those titles originate in God .

 

[MoreCoffee]

You keep repeating yourself. Holy scripture calls Jesus God. Holy Scripture says Mary is the mother of Jesus. Therefore Mary is the mother of God.

if a = b and b = c then a = c.

Mary = mother of Jesus , Jesus = God, Mary = mother of God.

 

[Full O Beans]

You are very religious.

I am not religious at all, thank the Lord.

 

[Full O Beans]

Jesus did not establish the RCC. Far from it!


Your knowledge of the Truth is very poor.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am not religious at all, thank the Lord.

Yeah, I've heard that from charismatic folk before but a more religious bunch would be hard to find. Bordering on superstitious I reckon.

 

[Full O Beans]

Yeah, I've heard that from charismatic folk before but a more religious bunch would be hard to find. Bordering on superstitious I reckon.

Nope. I walk in an intimate relationship with the living Jesus. He despises religion, and so do I. We need to stay away from it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Nope. I walk in an intimate relationship

Nope. You have a religion with all sorts of superstitious beliefs.

with the living Jesus. He despises religion, and so do I. We need to stay away from it.

 

[Full O Beans]

Nope. You have a religion with all sorts of superstitious beliefs.

Nothing religious in me! Nothing superstitious in walking close to God. Those who know His mind about that stay away from it. I especially do, as I have a real aversion to superstition, and can sniff it out in people very easily.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Nothing religious in me!

You talk religion a lot, and superstition a lot too.

Nothing superstitious in walking close to God.

Your religion is full of worldly opinions and invented traditions it doesn't give much appearance of walking with God.

Those who do know His mind about that and stay away from it. I especially do, as I have a real aversion to superstition, and can sniff it out in people very easily.

 

[psalms 91]

Yeah, I've heard that from charismatic folk before but a more religious bunch would be hard to find. Bordering on superstitious I reckon.

Depends onif you here from God, if not you should ask yourself why not, It is not superstious to follow the living God nor is it strange to hear Him or speak in toungues or any other manifestation of the spirit of the living God,

 

[Full O Beans]

Go back and read some of my previous posts, I quoted the passages. I'll cite them now. John 1:1, 14, 18; Acts 1:14.

Balderdash.