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"How were you baptized, then?" asked Paul. ... (Acts 19:3)
Oh man! Consider context, OK?

Those people were BELIEVERS!! Do you want to now discuss their baptism in the Holy Spirit?
 

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Oh man! Consider context, OK?

The context is some chaps who were baptised by John but not baptised as Christians. Saint Paul baptised them. They received the Holy Spirit and were thus among the faithful on the narrow way to salvation.
 

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The context is some chaps who were baptised by John but not baptised as Christians. Saint Paul baptised them. They received the Holy Spirit and were thus among the faithful on the narrow way to salvation.
Lol! They were already BELIEVERS!

Are you familiar with the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
 

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No one should depend on one's works.

If you really believe that salvation is all God's doing, then you would agree wholeheartedly that something we are commanded to do---baptism---doesn't save. Only Jesus' blood cleanses us from sin!

As only believers are commanded to be baptized, you should understand that the command is not to unbelievers. They are not required! And it follows that as babies are unbelievers, baptism is not for them.

We are not commanded to be baptised the command is to preach the gospel and baptise in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Gee! Don't you read what the bible says?
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
(Matthew 28:19-20)
 

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Lol! They were already BELIEVERS!

Are you familiar with the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

Thy had not even heard of the holy Spirit. I think you're talking nonsense.
 

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We are not commanded to be baptised the command is to preach the gospel and baptise in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Gee! Don't you read what the bible says?
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
(Matthew 28:19-20)
Yes, water baptism is a command for all believers. You are promoting false doctrine and sowing confusion.
 

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Yes, water baptism is a command for all believers.

No, it isn't. Those who preach the gospel are commanded to baptise. I'd quote the verses again but I am not confident you will pay them any heed anyway.
 

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Thy had not even heard of the holy Spirit. I think you're talking nonsense.
They were made familiar with the Holy Spirit when they experienced His baptism, pretty quick!!

Read the scriptures. Ask Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you about that.
 

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They were made familiar with the Holy Spirit when they experienced His baptism, pretty quick!!

Saint Paul explained the gospel to them more fully and then they were baptised. They received the holy Spirit when saint Paul baptised them and paid hands upon them. That's how baptism and confirmation work.
 

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No, it isn't. Those who preach the gospel are commanded to baptise. I'd quote the verses again but I am not confident you will pay them any heed anyway.
So..."Repent and be baptized" is not in the imperative?

We as believers are commanded to be baptized!!
 

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Oh man! Consider context, OK?

Those people were BELIEVERS!! Do you want to now discuss their baptism in the Holy Spirit?

he with whom you debate delights in twisting words and leading you down paths of distraction and ambiguity and away from sound direct scripture .
he is RC .So of course he wil be loyal to rome OVER the word of God .he is at least consistent in that .

the point has been clearly established and is always accepted easily by those who love the word of God and adhere to it ,OVER the word of man .

the bible does not teach baptising babies .
and the gospel is a package message involving a string of response fro the heart longing to be saved .
 

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No, it isn't. Those who preach the gospel are commanded to baptise. I'd quote the verses again but I am not confident you will pay them any heed anyway.
Who have you baptized in order to obey God?
 

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Saint Paul explained the gospel to them more fully and then they were baptised. They received the holy Spirit when saint Paul baptised them and paid hands upon them. That's how baptism and confirmation work.
That's how water baptism takes place, and it sometimes happens that Holy Spirit baptizes or anoints people right after...not always.
 

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he with whom you debate delights in twisting words and leading you down paths of distraction and ambiguity and away from sound direct scripture .
he is RC .So of course he wil be loyal to rome OVER the word of God .he is at least consistent in that .

the point has been clearly established and is always accepted easily by those who love the word of God and adhere to it ,OVER the word of man .

the bible does not teach baptising babies .
and the gospel is a package message involving a string of response fro the heart longing to be saved .
Appreciate you. Thanks!
 

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Only 5 decades? You have much to learn young padawan.

Yep, 5 decades. As long as I live, I am eager to know more of Jesus!

So...who or how many have you baptized in obedience to God??
 

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Yep, 5 decades. As long as I live, I am eager to know more of Jesus!

Then read and learn.
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
(Matthew 28:19-20)

"And one Anani'as, a devout man according to the law, well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, came to me, and standing by me said to me, 'Brother Saul, receive your sight.' And in that very hour I received my sight and saw him. And he said, 'The God of our fathers appointed you to know his will, to see the Just One and to hear a voice from his mouth; for you will be a witness for him to all men of what you have seen and heard. And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptised, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.'
(Acts 22:12-16)

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptised into Christ Jesus were baptised into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For he who has died is freed from sin. But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. For we know that Christ being raised from the dead will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. The death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies, to make you obey their passions. Do not yield your members to sin as instruments of wickedness, but yield yourselves to God as men who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments of righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
(Romans 6:1-14)

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for any honest work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarrelling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all men. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by men and hating one another; but when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Saviour appeared, he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Saviour, so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.
(Titus 3:1-7)

Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is right? But even if you do suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts reverence Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to make a defence to any one who calls you to account for the hope that is in you, yet do it with gentleness and reverence; and keep your conscience clear, so that, when you are abused, those who revile your good behaviour in Christ may be put to shame. For it is better to suffer for doing right, if that should be God's will, than for doing wrong. For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.
(1 Peter 3:13-22)
 

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How many people have you baptized in order to obey the Lord?
 
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