Did the Catholic Church change the sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday?

[MoreCoffee]

Funny, you keep saying that to various people when it is you who misread.

I say it to those who do misread holy scripture. Surely the context of the statement made by the Lord tells a reader something about the meaning of the remark? The Lord's comment was given in this context:

Mark 2:23-28 It happened that one Sabbath day he was taking a walk through the cornfields, and his disciples began to make a path by plucking ears of corn. (24) And the Pharisees said to him, 'Look, why are they doing something on the Sabbath day that is forbidden?'

(25) And he replied, 'Have you never read what David did in his time of need when he and his followers were hungry- (26) how he went into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest, and ate the loaves of the offering which only the priests are allowed to eat, and how he also gave some to the men with him?' (27) And he said to them, 'The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; (28) so the Son of man is master even of the Sabbath.'
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The Sabbath was made for man's benefit but man was not created to observe the Sabbath and all the rules and regulations that surround it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well that went over your head... You are not of the Hebrew mindset to even understand a Pharisaical argument Paul is making. ...

I am thankful to God that he has spared me from a Hebrew mind if such a mind means being set in the wicked ways that the Pharisees followed.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I believe in the trinity and I observe the original Sabbath although the one church I go to doesn't and I am non denom and Methodist, no fringe group for me, as to disagreement on end times there are many who disagree even here, that is not unique to those who choose to honor Gods Sabbath

Not unique, that is true, yet the most numerous groups that are seventh day observant are Orthodox Jews and Seventh Day Adventists. Both of those groups hold end times views that are unusual in Christian circles.

 

[visionary]

I am thankful to God that he has spared me from a Hebrew mind if such a mind means being set in the wicked ways that the Pharisees followed.

Paul also claimed to be a Pharisee following in those ways that you think are wicked. Yeshua straightened out a few traditions the Pharisee had that void the Law of God. But we must look at our own heart and see how many laws are broken by traditions in our own today's churches.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Paul also claimed to be a Pharisee following in those ways that you think are wicked. Yeshua straightened out a few traditions the Pharisee had that void the Law of God. But we must look at our own heart and see how many laws are broken by traditions in our own today's churches.

Saint Paul ceased being a Pharisee and ceased following their wicked ways when he regained his sight after encountering the Lord on the road to Damascus.

 

[Alithis]

It is God who made the change through his church.

well since rome is not his church it was wrong to do it .

 

[MoreCoffee]

well since Rome is not his church it was wrong to do it .

It was Jerusalem & Antioch where Sunday was first observed following the Lord Jesus Christ's resurrection.

 

[visionary]

Do you know what Yeshua's House of Prayer is like?

Isaiah 56: 6 And foreigners who bind themselves to God to serve him, to love the name of God, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant 7 these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations."

 

[MoreCoffee]

Do you know what Yeshua's House of Prayer is like?

I know what my parish Church is like

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

This video gave me a few things to ponder when I first came across it three years ago :•)

4:15-5:05

 

[MoreCoffee]

This video gave me a few things to ponder when I first came across it three years ago :•)

4:15-5:05

Is it from the Seventh Day Adventists?

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

Is it from the Seventh Day Adventists?

I'd bet...still, do you agree that when the disciples came together to break bread it was Saturday evening? (4:15-5:05)

 

[Alithis]

I'd bet...still, do you agree that when the disciples came together to break bread it was Saturday evening? (4:15-5:05)

yup .i agree they met on the sabbath .

I don't observe they physical sabbath for reasons i won't go into here becaseu thats not the thread topic.

the topic is did the catholic church (being the rcc) change the sabbath ..? already quotes from rome have dislayed YES they did . but these were immediately denied -without any evidence given to validate that denial -

so a question is asked and we all already know the answer . yes they did . and do so to this very day .

 

[MoreCoffee]

I'd bet...still, do you agree that when the disciples came together to break bread it was Saturday evening? (4:15-5:05)

No, It was Sunday night. In Judah days start at sunset. Sunday starts at sunset on what we'd call Saturday.

 

[psalms 91]

yup .i agree they met on the sabbath .

I don't observe they physical sabbath for reasons i won't go into here becaseu thats not the thread topic.

the topic is did the catholic church (being the rcc) change the sabbath ..? already quotes from rome have dislayed YES they did . but these were immediately denied -without any evidence given to validate that denial -

so a question is asked and we all already know the answer . yes they did . and do so to this very day .

Agreed God did not change His sabbeth

 

[Stravinsk]

It isn't Catholics who changed the Sabbath. The Sabbath day has never changed but its significance as a sign and a type of things to come has come to an end, as it should, because the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled it. Christ himself is our rest and his works as well as his passion, resurrection, and ascension are the works that please God so that we, who are his body, need not work to please God but may rest in the completed work of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thus keeping days is no longer a law under which we must labour but rather keeping the Lord's day is a joyous celebration in remembrance of the day on which Jesus Christ our Lord rose from the grave and brought life and immortality to light. We honour the Lord on his day not as a matter of servitude but as sons and daughters rejoicing in the joy of our Lord.

It's very simple, really, Christ has risen and our sins are forgiven. If we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. That's the message of the gospel in a nutshell. Of course there is more, much more, than mere forgiveness in Christ but there is definitely forgiveness in him. That is why we celebrate the Lord's day. It is the day we were objectively set free from bondage to sin.

(I can supply citations from holy scripture for the statements made above if you cannot find the bible verses for yourself)

The whole concept of Sabbath as it relates to the week as we know it, and I don't care if one is a Jew, Messianic Jew, Muslim or Christian is based on an erroneous assumption that the 7 day week is constant, continuously cycling and somehow rooted in nature. The first two are interpretations gleaned from parts of the Bible. The third is completely false.

If the moon is one sign (along with the sun) of "days, seasons and years", then it certainly isn't a sign of the continuously cycling 7 day week. We don't have perfect 28 day (7X4) lunar months or a 336 day year.

This is one reason I've posed the question about being stranded on a deserted island, disoriented and without man-made time keeping devices. Without contact with the rest of humanity, without a man made time keeping device such as a computer or watch, and being disoriented to the point where one does not know what day it is...

It is not possible to find "the Lord's Day" or the so called Saturday Sabbath. Neither the moon, sun or stars reveal it. Not in a 7 day continuous cycle, anyway.

 

[YESLORDIWILL]

I'd bet...still, do you agree that when the disciples came together to break bread it was Saturday evening? (4:15-5:05)

No, It was Sunday night. In Judah days start at sunset. Sunday starts at sunset on what we'd call Saturday.

In other words, it was the beginning of what Judah would call Sunday? ...so do you agree that the desciples came together to break bread when the Sabbath had concluded?

 

[MoreCoffee]

In other words, it was the beginning of what Judah would call Sunday? ...so do you agree that the disciples came together to break bread when the Sabbath had concluded?

They came together after the Sabbath had ended. Perhaps in the night, perhaps during the day but definitely on the day after the Sabbath which the Jews called the first day of the week and we call Sunday.

 

[Josiah]

More Coffee has DOCMENTED from verbatim Scripture that Christians - within the time recorded in the Bible - began regular public worship on SUNDAY.

Sorry.... it's just a fact. You can condemn it or support it...... you can question why this happened..... but it DID happen. The Bible and history document it.

IMO, this proves that the RC Denomination did NOT change it (the sole issue of this thread). The RC Denomination didn't exist at the time (and would not for centuries) and is NEVER mentioned in regard to this practice of Christians publically worshiping on SUNDAY.




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[MoreCoffee]

The Catholic Church did not change the day on which the Sabbath falls. That's a Seventh Day Adventist myth that others from messianic groups seem willing to swallow. The Catholic Church teaches that the Sabbath day never changed. I'd quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church and from the 16th century Roman Catechism and even from the early Church fathers to support my statement but I doubt anybody would read it. The bizarre claims will just continue because those who make them have no love for the truth.