Did the Catholic Church change the sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday?

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It is God who made the change through his church.

When God makes changes, He announces it from mountains. Instead He told John the Revelator that the way to identify the Saints is ... Here are the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Yeshua. ... Nope... no change there.

 

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It is God who made the change through his church.

No, it has not changed and the chuirch is not infallable and in many traditions they are wrong and this is one of them.

 

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No, it has not changed and the church is not infallible and in many traditions they are wrong and this is one of them.

It has changed insofar as observance is concerned. Christians do not observe a sabbath day from sunset Friday until sunset Saturday with the exception of some aberrant groups that have adopted a seventh day hermeneutic. Many of the groups that have adopted that hermeneutic are also anti-trinitarian. A few are trinitarian but in error on other doctrines especially end times speculations.

 

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When God makes changes, He announces it from mountains.

Yes, that is correct. The Lord Jesus Christ announced the changes in a sermon delivered on a mount. He proclaimed a new law. Matthew chapters five through seven provide the core material. The loss of specifically Jewish observances is explicit in the sermon on the mount.

Instead He told John the Revelator that the way to identify the Saints is ... Here are the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Yeshua. ... Nope... no change there.

 

[visionary]

It has changed insofar as observance is concerned. Christians do not observe a sabbath day from sunset Friday until sunset Saturday with the exception of some aberrant groups that have adopted a seventh day hermeneutic. Many of the groups that have adopted that hermeneutic are also anti-trinitarian. A few are trinitarian but in error on other doctrines especially end times speculations.

Church has no authority to make this change without God's blessing.

 

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Church has no authority to make this change without God's blessing.

The Lord Jesus Christ gave the Church authority to bind and to unbind on earth and in heaven. The Church was also given authority to forgive or retain sins. Why do you ignore the holy scriptures?

 

[visionary]

Yes, that is correct. The Lord Jesus Christ announced the changes in a sermon delivered on a mount. He proclaimed a new law. Matthew chapters five through seven provide the core material. The loss of specifically Jewish observances is explicit in the sermon on the mount.

Nope... no change there.. Yeshua said... That the Sabbath is made for man.. not just Jews. He also stated that not one dot or tittle will change in the Law of God. We also know that what was written in stone shall be written in the hearts of believers.. sorry no change...

 

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The Lord Jesus Christ gave the Church authority to bind and to unbind on earth and in heaven. The Church was also given authority to forgive or retain sins. Why do you ignore the holy scriptures?

This authority to bind and loosen is the halacha. Halacha is the way it is kept. You can be very tight on the observance or a little looser, but the observance doesn't change. After all, Yeshua stated that you should not void the Law of God for tradition.

 

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Nope... no change there.. Yeshua said... That the Sabbath is made for man.. not just Jews. He also stated that not one dot or tittle will change in the Law of God. We also know that what was written in stone shall be written in the hearts of believers.. sorry no change...

The Lord Jesus Christ asserted that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The teaching is that the Pharisees were wrong to trouble men with useless observances that made life a burden when the truth is that the sabbath rest was made for the benefit of mankind and not mankind being made to keep the sabbath. Why do you misread what the holy scriptures say?

 

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This authority to bind and loosen is the halacha. Halacha is the way it is kept. You can be very tight on the observance or a little looser, but the observance doesn't change. After all, Yeshua stated that you should not void the Law of God for tradition.

To bind and unbind in matters both of discipline and in matters of teaching. And you have ignored the gift given to the Church by which she is able to forgive or to retain sins. Have you given due consideration to what is said in John chapter twenty?

 

[visionary]

The Lord Jesus Christ asserted that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The teaching is that the Pharisees were wrong to trouble men with useless observances that made life a burden when the truth is that the sabbath rest was made for the benefit of mankind and not mankind being made to keep the sabbath. Why do you misread what the holy scriptures say?

Sabbath is not a burden. As Yeshua said His burden in light. It is not weighed down with Pharisee rules which is the burden. The Sabbath is sanctified, blessed, and ordained by God to be observed as a time to worship Him. What is so difficult about that?

 

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To bind and unbind in matters both of discipline and in matters of teaching. And you have ignored the gift given to the Church by which she is able to forgive or to retain sins. Have you given due consideration to what is said in John chapter twenty?

It is easier to forgive sins or to heal them? Gifts to forgive and heal is not just organizational leadership authorities but gifts all believers are given. It is not held captive within church walls or ways.

 

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Sabbath is not a burden. As Yeshua said His burden in light. It is not weighed down with Pharisee rules which is the burden. The Sabbath is sanctified, blessed, and ordained by God to be observed as a time to worship Him. What is so difficult about that?

I watch how seventh day observers relate to the law, how many refuse pork, crayfish, have numerous scruples about foods and days and observances. In short their lives are a burden of observances and rules and fears about breaking the rules of their religion. That is proof enough that many who make seventh day observance a hallmark of their religion are burdened by it and by the ethos it creates among them. And the sermon on the mount does in fact set aside such observances not only as a means of salvation (for they never were a means of salvation) but also as a binding obligation on the lives and consciences of the faithful. Christians are bound to Christ the living Word and not to tablets of stone which ministered only death.

 

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It is easier to forgive sins or to heal them? Gifts to forgive and heal is not just organizational leadership authorities but gifts all believers are given. It is not held captive within church walls or ways.

The Pharisees accused Jesus when he forgave sins because they reasoned that only God can forgive sins but the Lord corrected them by showing that the son of Man can forgive sins when he healed the man who was crippled as he said his sins were forgiven. That the Lord also said to the apostles that they were to forgive since or retain them is sufficient to show that men can forgive sins with lasting effect when they act as the disciples of Christ.

 

[visionary]

I watch how seventh day observers relate to the law, how many refuse pork, crayfish, have numerous scruples about foods and days and observances. In short their lives are a burden of observances and rules and fears about breaking the rules of their religion. That is proof enough that many who make seventh day observance a hallmark of their religion are burdened by it and by the ethos it creates among them. And the sermon on the mount does in fact set aside such observances not only as a means of salvation (for they never were a means of salvation) but also as a binding obligation on the lives and consciences of the faithful. Christians are bound to Christ the living Word and not to tablets of stone which ministered only death.

These observances are in the wisdom of the Lord to advise in the way to walk. It is a freedom from the harmful effects of eating wrong things, living the wrong way, and the freedom to worship according to His dictates, reading oneself for an eternity of observance in the New Heaven and Earth where it is the only things observed by all who live in His Kingdom. It is a great joy knowing the truth, the way, and the life He has given. IT is a world of difference and one that has to be experienced to understand God is right. He is wise. He blesses those who are obedient to His Word. The inner struggle is gone. The peace that passes all understanding is there. The life of living righteously is a life without condemnation.

It is like the difference between the outer court and inner court. You have to enter the inner court to understand that those things in the outer court are just the first step to a life with Him.

 

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The Pharisees accused Jesus when he forgave sins because they reasoned that only God can forgive sins but the Lord corrected them by showing that the son of Man can forgive sins when he healed the man who was crippled as he said his sins were forgiven. That the Lord also said to the apostles that they were to forgive since or retain them is sufficient to show that men can forgive sins with lasting effect when they act as the disciples of Christ.

Yes... and...??

 

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These observances are in the wisdom of the Lord to advise in the way to walk. It is a freedom from the harmful effects of eating wrong things, living the wrong way, and the freedom to worship according to His dictates, reading oneself for an eternity of observance in the New Heaven and Earth where it is the only things observed by all who live in His Kingdom. It is a great joy knowing the truth, the way, and the life He has given. IT is a world of difference and one that has to be experienced to understand God is right. He is wise. He blesses those who are obedient to His Word. The inner struggle is gone. The peace that passes all understanding is there. The life of living righteously is a life without condemnation.

It is like the difference between the outer court and inner court. You have to enter the inner court to understand that those things in the outer court are just the first step to a life with Him.

Saint Paul in his letter to the Christians in the region of Galatia says otherwise. He speaks strongly against Christians being enslaved again to observances such as the ones you mention. He wrote:

Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? (2) Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? (3) Are you so foolish? Having begun with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? (4) Did you experience so many things in vain?--if it really is in vain. (5) Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

(6) Thus Abraham "believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." (7) So you see that it is men of faith who are the sons of Abraham. (8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." (9) So then, those who are men of faith are blessed with Abraham who had faith.

(10) For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." (11) Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; (12) but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them."

(13) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree"-- (14) that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.​

 

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Saint Paul in his letter to the Christians in the region of Galatia says otherwise. He speaks strongly against Christians being enslaved again to observances such as the ones you mention. He wrote:

Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? (2) Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? (3) Are you so foolish? Having begun with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? (4) Did you experience so many things in vain?--if it really is in vain. (5) Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

(6) Thus Abraham "believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." (7) So you see that it is men of faith who are the sons of Abraham. (8) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." (9) So then, those who are men of faith are blessed with Abraham who had faith.

(10) For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." (11) Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; (12) but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them."

(13) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree"-- (14) that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.​

Well that went over your head... You are not of the Hebrew mindset to even understand a Pharisaical argument Paul is making. I know that reading and being taught the Roman version is fraught with misunderstanding. But safe to say. Paul is a good Jew who would never throw out the Law of God.

Acts 24:14 (NKJV) - "But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.

Paul says that the doers of the Law will be justified and those who break it will be judged.

Romans 2:12 - For as many as have sinned without Law will also perish without Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law will be judged by the Law 13 (for not the hearers of the Law [are] just in the sight of God, but the doers of the Law will be justified;

Here he says that when we break the Law, we dishonor God and blaspheme His name.

Romans 2:21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the Law, do you dishonor God through breaking the Law? 24 For "the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you," as it is written.

Here Paul twice states that we learn what sin is from the Law. This backs up the statement in 1John 3:4 that Sin is transgression of the Law.

Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the Law [is] the knowledge of sin.

and

Romans 7:7 - What shall we say then? [Is] the Law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the Law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the Law had said, "You shall not covet."

Here is a key scripture proving that Paul believed that thru faith we do not make the Law void, but rather we establish the Law.

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Paul did not believe that once we are under grace, that we can continue to sin

Romans 6:15 - What then? Shall we sin because we are not under Law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin [leading] to death, or of obedience [leading] to righteousness?

Here Paul is equating "the Law" with "the commandment" and how much he thinks highly of them

Romans 7:12 - Therefore the Law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Many like to believe that the Law is of the flesh. Not true! It's spiritual.

Romans 7:14 - For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Paul delights in the Law of God

Romans 7:22 - For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man.

 

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It has changed insofar as observance is concerned. Christians do not observe a sabbath day from sunset Friday until sunset Saturday with the exception of some aberrant groups that have adopted a seventh day hermeneutic. Many of the groups that have adopted that hermeneutic are also anti-trinitarian. A few are trinitarian but in error on other doctrines especially end times speculations.

I believe in the trinity and I observe the original sabbeth although the one church I go to doesnt and I am non denom and Methodist, no fringe group for me, as to disagreement on end times there are many who disagree even here, that is not uniques to those who choose to honor Gods sabbeth

 

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The Lord Jesus Christ asserted that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. The teaching is that the Pharisees were wrong to trouble men with useless observances that made life a burden when the truth is that the sabbath rest was made for the benefit of mankind and not mankind being made to keep the sabbath. Why do you misread what the holy scriptures say?

Funny, you keep saying that to various people when it is you who misread.