God does not exist ...

[MoreCoffee]

Stop and think about the statement "God does not exist" - who would say such a thing? An atheist perhaps? A religious person whose religion has no gods? Would a Christian say it do you think?

What is existence?

Do you exist?

Does God exist in exactly the same way that you do?

Is God like you ...

Give it some thought.

The Creeds and councils of the fist few centuries answer these questions.

 

[Lamb]

I've never heard a Christian say it, only Atheists. Some of those atheists believe in demons though which doesn't make sense to me.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I've never heard a Christian say it, only Atheists. Some of those atheists believe in demons though which doesn't make sense to me.

I think that in the world view of atheists God (if he existed) would exist in exactly the same way as any created thing exists.

 

[Josiah]

It is the position of atheists that there is no God (no divine, no supernatural). "Theos" (God) "a" (not). It is a religion, it is an bold declaration: there is no God.

It is the position of agnostics that we simply cannot know if there is a God (divine, supernatural) "Gnost" (to know) "a" (not). This is a LACK of declaration, it's entirely possible but it's not entirely knowable.


There are three world religions that are technically agnostic: Buddhism, Taoism and Confusianism. However, in nearly 100% of the cases, those that embrace those religions are theists - choosing to embrace that the divine does exist (which those religions permit although do not technically teach).


Theism and Atheism are both declarations (There IS the divine or there is NOT the divine). But in reality, neither one of these can "prove" the declaration in any objective, "scientific" sense: they ultimately come down to faith.



Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah

 

[TurtleHare]

Since atheists can't disprove then your saying they have faith against?

 

[Ruth]

I think someone who has some agnosticism in them might say it at times not really knowing if it's true or not. That happens to me at times, too. Just being honest now don't attack or judge me on it.

 

[psalms 91]

Everybody has faith if even only in htemselves

 

[tango]

I've never heard a Christian say it, only Atheists. Some of those atheists believe in demons though which doesn't make sense to me.

I don't see any logical inconsistency with believing in demons but not in God. It doesn't make any less sense than the people who believe in God but not in demons.

What is funny is when people believe in "the antichrist" but not in the Christ. If an antichrist exists then, pretty much by definition, a christ must exist. (small c intentional because in this context "a christ" doesn't necessarily mean Jesus Christ)

 

[tango]

It is the position of atheists that there is no God (no divine, no supernatural). "Theos" (God) "a" (not). It is a religion, it is an bold declaration: there is no God.

It is the position of agnostics that we simply cannot know if there is a God (divine, supernatural) "Gnost" (to know) "a" (not). This is a LACK of declaration, it's entirely possible but it's not entirely knowable.


There are three world religions that are technically agnostic: Buddhism, Taoism and Confusianism. However, in nearly 100% of the cases, those that embrace those religions are theists - choosing to embrace that the divine does exist (which those religions permit although do not technically teach).


Theism and Atheism are both declarations (There IS the divine or there is NOT the divine). But in reality, neither one of these can "prove" the declaration in any objective, "scientific" sense: they ultimately come down to faith.



Thank you.


Pax


- Josiah

That's a fair technical assessment although some people who would self-identify as "atheist" are perhaps best described as agnostic atheists, taking a stance that they don't see evidence for deities so conclude there probably are none but without taking a definitive stance on it. Being a little flippant we could liken them to honest politicians. There may be some out there, I wouldn't rule out the possibility, I just don't see much evidence for them.

 

[Lamb]

I don't see any logical inconsistency with believing in demons but not in God. It doesn't make any less sense than the people who believe in God but not in demons.

What is funny is when people believe in "the antichrist" but not in the Christ. If an antichrist exists then, pretty much by definition, a christ must exist. (small c intentional because in this context "a christ" doesn't necessarily mean Jesus Christ)

Makes total sense to us but people can be blind to what is true.

 

[visionary]

God exists and I have met Him. I "know" Him to be true.

 

[psalms 91]

Amen

 

[MoreCoffee]

God exists and I have met Him. I "know" Him to be true.

God does not exist in the same what that you do or in the same way that any creature does. God is not one among the many; just another albeit a greater being.

 

[visionary]

God does not exist in the same what that you do or in the same way that any creature does. God is not one among the many; just another albeit a greater being.

Who said He did and who thinks He does not reach down and touch us personally?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Who said He did

Richard Dawkins says God does not exist because no means of detecting God can be found and he maintains that without evidence belief in God is not rational or reasonable.

and who thinks He does not reach down and touch us personally?

 

[psalms 91]

flesh will never understand spiritual

 

[MoreCoffee]

flesh will never understand spiritual

Many pass from fleshly rejection to spiritual acceptance.

 

[psalms 91]

I wil not get into this wiith you as to long and to complicated but let us say that there is a big difference between being in Christ and havingChrist in us, a big difference

 

[MoreCoffee]

I will not get into this with you as to long and to complicated but let us say that there is a big difference between being in Christ and having Christ in us, a big difference

being in union with Christ implied Christ in us.

 

[psalms 91]

being in union with Christ implied Christ in us.

Not at all when we ask Christ in He comes but we must grow spiritually and enter into the realm of spiritual and leave the flesh behind or else we cannot enter in and be seated with Christ in heavenly places, that only happens in the spiritual. If Christj is in us that is a start but not the end it is a beginning, we spend the rest of our lives putting down the flesh and entering into the spiritual realm