The Law of Attraction

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I just watched a "movie" about The Secret. Apparently, The Secret is a brand name for The Law OF Attraction. It is a method whereby you meditate on things you want to happen, and the thoughts turn into things, and come true. I admit to being a proponent of visualization when it comes to physical things, like swinging a golf club, but for everything else? Unsure.
Does anyone have input/testimonials?
Is this practice heretical?
 

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Like magic you mean? It sounds as if with that we are thinking we can force anything to our will not being mindful that we should seek God's will. Praying for things we need is what we should do but to think that we can get something by thinking on it sounds like toxic theology and definitely not a Christ based one.
 

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I think that it is not heretical to believe you receive when you pray.
Mark 11:24
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

As restored men/women that is how we should operate. It is how Jesus fed the 5,000. It is how He healed the sick and raised the dead. It is how the early Church operated. But today's Christianity does not lay hold on everything that Jesus purchased for us IMHO. I struggle with doubt and unbelief myself. But I can believe that thinking positive thoughts bring better things to my life than negative thinking. Jesus often asked people if they believe He could heal them. If they said yes, they were healed. So, I have not watched The Secret, but I do believe the teaching is in line with what Jesus taught from clips I have seen.And, I do believe it has been hidden from the church by the hierarchy in the church. Most of the Word of Faith preachers teach it, and some Non-denominational churches teach it stressing grace and hope. I just wish preachers would preach restoration and renewing of the mind. The Bible tell us that as a man thinketh in his heart so is he. So imho thinking positive make one a positive person. My 2 pennies.
 

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I have never heard of anyone with a negative confession getting ahead so yes positive confession is important. faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen and there you have it, the scriptures tell us to have faith not by confessing negatively but by being positive
 

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Welcome, jebadoa!

Are you talking about relying on God or apart from God?
 

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Welcome, jebadoa!

Are you talking about relying on God or apart from God?
I would consider it relying on God, but without the nuances of typical prayer. I have not read the book "The Secret" but in the movie, they shy away from calling it God and instead appeal to the universe. I know many scriptures say we must fix our minds on good, holy, positive things, so I believe there is at least some biblical support for positive thinking. I am just trying to figure out if this is just a different way do describe prayer. It differs from prayer in that you spend your time visualizing the intended outcome. You make it as real in your mind as you possibly can. And that's it. No appeal to God, no consideration of praise or worship. Yet God sees in our hearts and knows our desires before we ever open our mouthes to pray.
 

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I have never heard of anyone with a negative confession getting ahead so yes positive confession is important. faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen and there you have it, the scriptures tell us to have faith not by confessing negatively but by being positive

Really? How about "Foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head"? If that isn't a negative confession I don't know what is.
 

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I would consider it relying on God, but without the nuances of typical prayer. I have not read the book "The Secret" but in the movie, they shy away from calling it God and instead appeal to the universe. I know many scriptures say we must fix our minds on good, holy, positive things, so I believe there is at least some biblical support for positive thinking. I am just trying to figure out if this is just a different way do describe prayer. It differs from prayer in that you spend your time visualizing the intended outcome. You make it as real in your mind as you possibly can. And that's it. No appeal to God, no consideration of praise or worship. Yet God sees in our hearts and knows our desires before we ever open our mouthes to pray.

The problem with the so-called Law Of Attraction is that it takes something with some truth and then pushes it long past the point at which it breaks.

If you take the Law Of Attraction to its conclusions you end up blaming the victim of a gang-rape because she must have been thinking about the wrong things and therefore drew them to herself. The starving children in Africa only have themselves to blame because they aren't thinking of better things and drawing better things to themselves.

There is a degree of truth in the idea that positive thoughts produce positive outcomes. Unless you have the belief to start a business you'll never be a business owner. It's perfectly true that the belief results in the altered reality, even if only because the person who lacks the belief never actually takes the steps required to start the business and realise the reality of their dreams. But to believe that we can merely think positive things into being and the universe will conveniently hand them over, as if on a silver plate, without us having to do anything at all, doesn't seem to work too well. Just look at the people who stood in line for a Powerball ticket willing themselves to win only to find they still had to show up to work on Thursday morning.

Part of the truth in "The Secret" is that we have a natural tendency to confirm our own worldview. So to take a trivial example, let's look at a simple case of me walking through a crowded marketplace and looking at who yields to someone coming the other way if there isn't room for two people to pass at the same time. If my worldview is "nobody respects me enough to let me through" them every time someone comes through expecting me to yield my worldview is confirmed, and if someone does stand aside for me I probably won't even notice. If my worldview is one of more self-respect and that people will yield to me then every time someone yields to me my worldview is confirmed and on the times I yield to someone else I don't regard it as significant. The crucial thing here is that the external, objectively measurable, experience is the same in both cases but the way I process it internally is a world apart.

God knows what we need before we start to pray but God isn't under any obligation to satisfy the things we want. Jesus did say that if we ask anything in his name he would do it, but that means so much more than merely adding "in Jesus' name" before the "Amen" of our prayers. What I want (speaking as a fleshly human) is a gleaming black Lamborghini Aventador Roadster parked in my driveway. God knows that I'd really rather like a Lamborghini but I don't imagine he's going to magic one up for me any time soon. If the King of Kings who had every right to require the kings of the earth to carry him into Jerusalem in a chariot of solid gold decided instead to ride on a borrowed colt, I can certainly get by with transportation more modest than an Italian supercar.

There's also a huge difference between thinking about things that are positive in a Biblical sense (things that are good, holy, righteous etc) and "positive thinking" as presented by the world. If I'm thinking about the riches I want, or the job I want, or the car I want, it's all about me me me. That's not the same as thinking about holy things, and so I believe The Secret is nothing more than a corruption of what the Bible tells us, but worded in a way that it can be presented as kinda-sorta-aligning with Scripture. Sadly I think it gets worse than that, because trying to use any form of cosmic forces to bend reality to our own will is little more than sorcery.

Whatever we might want, we'd do well to look at what Jesus said as he prayed before his crucifixion - "not my will but yours be done".
 

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No appeal to God, no consideration of praise or worship. Yet God sees in our hearts and knows our desires before we ever open our mouthes to pray.

No appeal to God but God sees what we want and all is good? God knows what is better for us than we do so to think that every thing we want is going to be obtained is not being in tune with God and His will for us but for our own will. It's like Adam and Eve all over again.
 

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No appeal to God but God sees what we want and all is good? God knows what is better for us than we do so to think that every thing we want is going to be obtained is not being in tune with God and His will for us but for our own will. It's like Adam and Eve all over again.

The point of it is to believe and think that God's will is for mankind to prosper and be in health. The Bible says that God has plans to prosper us and not to harm us. But we have been trained in this sinful world of negative thought patterns, and we do not even know how to THINK. And when we do THINK, we Think wrong/negative. Apostle Paul tells us
Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

[8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, THINK on these things./B]
 

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I was thinking about this earlier and what came to mind is that greed is a sin yet prosperity pushers forget that and keep on plugging away promoting their dreams that God will make them rich if they want it bad enough. So now does God give into greed like that?
 

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The point of it is to believe and think that God's will is for mankind to prosper and be in health. The Bible says that God has plans to prosper us and not to harm us. But we have been trained in this sinful world of negative thought patterns, and we do not even know how to THINK. And when we do THINK, we Think wrong/negative.

Except the whole issue of God wanting us to prosper and be healthy just doesn't add up. God's promise about the plan to prosper and not harm us was a specific promise made at a specific time, not necessarily a promise throughout all time that we would be prosperous in the way the world currently understands it.

Apostle Paul tells us
Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

This is the same Paul who, a few verses later, wrote this:

Php 4:10-13 NKJV But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. (11) Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: (12) I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. (13) I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

What was Paul doing wrong? If it was God's will for him to prosper how come he knew abundance and lack, fullness and hunger? Did God forget to provide for him? Did he forget to claim what was his? Or does the idea that God wants us to be rich simply fall flat?

Even only looking at the verses you quoted we can make our requests known to God (as if he didn't already know what we need). Paul doesn't make any claims that we can ask for literally anything and be guaranteed to get it. Which is just as well because my gleaming black Lamborghini still hasn't showed up.

Of course Paul also talked of boasting in his weaknesses:

2Co 12:7-10 NKJV And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. (8) Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. (9) And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. (10) Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Whatever the "thorn in his flesh" actually was (and I realise there is dispute over whether it was a physical sickness, a temptation, but it doesn't matter here) the point is that Paul learned that when he was weak he was strong through Christ.


[8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, THINK on these things./B]


Whatever is just, pure, lovely etc are good things to think about. That's not the same as thinking making a new reality, or thinking ourselves wealthy or whatever other grand claims might get made. Getting rich just by thinking about being rich is certainly an appealing idea, it's just a shame it doesn't work out that way.
 

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I would consider it relying on God, but without the nuances of typical prayer. I have not read the book "The Secret" but in the movie, they shy away from calling it God and instead appeal to the universe. I know many scriptures say we must fix our minds on good, holy, positive things, so I believe there is at least some biblical support for positive thinking. I am just trying to figure out if this is just a different way do describe prayer. It differs from prayer in that you spend your time visualizing the intended outcome. You make it as real in your mind as you possibly can. And that's it. No appeal to God, no consideration of praise or worship. Yet God sees in our hearts and knows our desires before we ever open our mouthes to pray.
If you aren't appealing to GOD, for his will, at least with your needs then I think it's not respectful. Also not giving much thanks for All things. Past that; Faith includes Faith that God is all subsisting and pervades in all.

So prayer shouldn't really rotate around what you want from God in my opinion.

The whole visualize your selfish wants thing, especially without Any appeal to GOD on any level is, no questions asked not reinforced by scriptures or faiths in Christianity or other peaceable monotheistic religions.

Definitely more in the pagan realm.



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I was thinking about this earlier and what came to mind is that greed is a sin yet prosperity pushers forget that and keep on plugging away promoting their dreams that God will make them rich if they want it bad enough. So now does God give into greed like that?
Greed/pride is the root of all sin. No, I don't personally think God regards those qualities very highly.

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Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Here are two things we must believe. You will not receive what you will not believe.
 

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Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Here are two things we must believe. You will not receive what you will not believe.

Yes, but that verse doesn't address whether God will hand over whatever we want.

We must believe that God is in order to go to God. We clearly can't go to someone if we don't believe they exist. We can and should believe that God rewards those who seek him. But what form does that reward take? Is it a shiny Lamborghini, or eternal life in heaven? I'd be very wary of people who focus more on the Lamborghini than on the place in heaven.

We may not receive the things we don't believe but it doesn't follow that we will receive the things we do believe. That's a misapplication of logic. If God promises me something and I don't believe it then God may or may not give it to me anyway. But if I believe in a promise God never made he's not going to honor the promise however much I believe he will. Faith is one thing but blind and misplaced faith is another thing entirely.
 

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What is faith? It is believing in something unseen, yet to have, faith is believing even when everything says no that it will be yes. Mans reasoning is a destroyer of faith
 

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Man has sinful desires and no matter how bad we want more material items or fame or whatever why would we think God would automatically grant sinful wishes upon us? I bet I know who would if we took our eyes off God..don't you?
 

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all of us, the key is that we must pray in line with Gods will for us, if you dont know thatthen you will not know what to ask for
 
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