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Could it also be a strategic move to avoid a war with Russia/China that could possibly join together against us?
 

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Maybe people should consider how Denmark acquired Greenland in the first place.

It wasn't because the Inuit people that lived there asked them to.
 

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The Venezuelan regime is hateful, but it’s worth noting that the operation that just removed its president involved killings, which has been confirmed by President Trump. Killings not approved by God should never be appreciated. Also, the removal of the Venezuelan President might not really bring any good to the region and the world, as the Venezuelan government might become out of control, easily leading to a political turmoil and a possible civil war in Venezuela.
 

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The Venezuelan regime is hateful, but it’s worth noting that the operation that just removed its president involved killings, which has been confirmed by President Trump. Killings not approved by God should never be appreciated. Also, the removal of the Venezuelan President might not really bring any good to the region and the world, as the Venezuelan government might become out of control, easily leading to a political turmoil and a possible civil war in Venezuela.
I have a difficult time relating that to a thread about Greenland.

FWIW, Venezuela and Greenland are different countries in different parts of the world and Greenland has no involvement in the government of Venezuela or the Venezuelan people.
 

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Maybe people should consider how Denmark acquired Greenland in the first place.

It wasn't because the Inuit people that lived there asked them to.
You mean like we acquired America Im sure the indians didnt just allow us to take it over. Almost all countries throughout hstory were acquired this way, by war and deception
 

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You mean like we acquired America Im sure the indians didnt just allow us to take it over. Almost all countries throughout hstory were acquired this way, by war and deception
So you're advocating a military takeover of Greenland?

I would prefer we buy or lease it.
 

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🌡️ Was There a Warmer Period When the Vikings Came to Greenland?
✅ Yes — multiple studies show the Vikings arrived during a warm spell.
Search results directly confirm this:

📘 1. Northwestern University Study (2019): Vikings enjoyed a warm Greenland

A detailed climate reconstruction found that southern Greenland was relatively warm between 985 and 1450 CE, the exact period of Norse settlement.
• The study shows Vikings “enjoyed a warm Greenland” when they arrived.
• Summers may have reached 50°F, similar to modern temperatures.
• This warm period was unlike the centuries before or after.
This supports the long‑held idea that the Norse settled Greenland during a climatically favorable window.

📘 2. Atlas Obscura Summary of the Same Research

Another source confirms the same finding:
• Vikings “got lucky and hit Greenland during a warm spell”.
• The warm period made farming and grazing possible.
• Cooling and climate instability later contributed to the collapse of their colonies.

📘 3. Earth Magazine Study: A Contrasting View
One study suggests that Greenland may not have warmed as much as Europe during the Medieval Warm Period:
• Glacial evidence shows Greenland “remained cold enough” for glaciers to advance between 925–1275 CE.
• This implies the Medieval Warm Period was stronger in Europe than in Greenland.
But this study focuses on glacier extent, not summer temperatures or local microclimates.

🧭 How to Reconcile These Studies

The simplest synthesis:
✔️ Southern Greenland — where the Vikings lived — was warmer than usual
Supported by sediment‑core temperature reconstructions.
✔️ Some parts of Greenland remained cold
Supported by glacial moraine evidence.
✔️ The Medieval Warm Period was real, but uneven
Europe warmed more dramatically than Greenland, but southern Greenland still experienced a mild, farm‑friendly climate.

🧊 Why This Matters for Viking Settlement

The warm spell allowed:
• Pasture for cattle, sheep, and goats
• Barley cultivation in some areas
• Open seas for travel
• More stable winters
When the climate cooled again (1300s–1400s), the Norse colonies collapsed.

🧭 How many Norse lived in Greenland at its peak?
Search results give a firm number:

• 2,000–3,000 people total in all of Greenland at peak population.
This is the entire Norse population of Greenland — men, women, children, farmers, clergy, hunters.

🛶 How many of them went to North America?
Not many.
✔️ Only small exploration crews traveled to North America.
Evidence:
• L’Anse aux Meadows was a short‑term camp, not a colony.
• It lacked graves, livestock areas, and permanent structures.
• It was abandoned by 1145 AD with no valuables left behind.
• No other Norse settlements in Canada or the U.S. have been found.
✔️ Expeditions were small
The sagas and archaeology suggest:
• 20–80 people per voyage, not hundreds.
• These were seasonal crews, not settlers.
• They came for timber, iron, and exploration — not colonization.
✔️ No permanent Norse migration into Canada or the U.S.

🌡️Why didn’t more migrate?
• Greenland had no population pressure — only 2,000–3,000 people.
• The warm period made Greenland livable, not overcrowded.
• The Little Ice Age later made survival harder, but by then:
• Trade collapsed
• The Black Death devastated Norway
• The Norse lacked ships and manpower to migrate outward

🧊What happened to the Greenland Norse?
• They died out in Greenland
• Or returned to Europe (more likely because valuables were taken)
There is no evidence that they migrated to North America in large numbers

🌍 Origins of Nordic Immigrants in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan
The Nordic (Scandinavian) settlers who shaped the Upper Midwest came primarily from three countries:
🇸🇪 1. Sweden — the largest group
Sweden sent more immigrants to the U.S. than any other Nordic country between 1821–1920.
• Over 1.1 million Swedes immigrated to the U.S. in that period.
• Many settled in Minnesota, which became the most Swedish state in America.
• Michigan and Wisconsin also received large Swedish farming and lumber communities.

🇳🇴 2. Norway — the second‑largest group
The Library of Congress notes that Norway sent nearly 1 million immigrants to the U.S. between 1820–1920.
• Wisconsin was an early center of Norwegian settlement.
• By 1850, two‑thirds of all Norwegians in the U.S. lived in Wisconsin.
• Later waves moved into Minnesota and the Dakotas.
Norwegians were especially drawn to:
• farming land
• Lutheran communities
• familiar climate and terrain

🇩🇰 3. Denmark — a smaller but significant group
Denmark contributed 300,000 immigrants to the U.S. between 1821–1920.
• Many Danes settled in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, especially in farming and dairy regions.
• Danish Lutherans established churches and folk schools across the Midwest.

🧭 Why the Upper Midwest?
The search results highlight several reasons:
• Fertile farmland similar to Scandinavia
• Lutheran communities already established
• Chain migration (letters home encouraging others to come)
• Homestead Act opportunities (especially for Norwegians)

🇩🇰 Origin of Denmark’s Claim on Greenland
🛡️ 1. Norse Settlement & Allegiance to the Norwegian Crown

According to the Danish Institute for International Studies:
• The Norse settled southern Greenland during the Viking Age.
• These settlers pledged allegiance to the Norwegian king.
• This placed Greenland under the Norwegian realm, not Denmark, at first.
This is the earliest political link between Scandinavia and Greenland.

🤝 2. The Denmark–Norway Union (1380–1814)

When Denmark and Norway entered a political union, their territories merged.
• During this union, Greenland became part of the joint Danish‑Norwegian kingdom.
• Even after the Norse colonies disappeared, the territory remained attached to Norway — and therefore to the union.
This is where Denmark’s later claim begins to take shape.

⚔️ 3. Post‑Napoleonic Wars: Greenland Follows Denmark

When the union dissolved in 1814:
• Norway was ceded to Sweden.
• Greenland, Iceland, and the Faroe Islands remained with Denmark.
This was the decisive moment that made Greenland a Danish possession.

🧭 4. Danish Re‑Colonization (1721 onward)

Another source notes:
• Denmark’s modern claim began in 1721, when missionary Hans Egede established a permanent Danish‑Norwegian presence in Greenland.
• Denmark then tightened control and restricted foreign access.
This reinforced sovereignty through continuous occupation.

🇺🇸 5. U.S. Recognition of Danish Sovereignty (1917)

As part of the treaty transferring the U.S. Virgin Islands:
• The United States formally recognized Denmark’s sovereignty over all of Greenland.
This gave Denmark international backing.

⚖️ 6. International Court Ruling (1933)

Norway attempted to claim part of East Greenland.
• The International Court in The Hague ruled in Denmark’s favor.
This legally cemented Denmark’s claim under international law.
 
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Could it also be a strategic move to avoid a war with Russia/China that could possibly join together against us?
In what way would it be strategic move?
 

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In what way would it be strategic move?

🌐 Strategic Advantages for the U.S. if It Controlled Greenland

(Gulf News, U.S. News, CNBC)

🛰️ 1. Arctic Military Dominance

  • Greenland sits between the U.S. and Russia, giving Washington unmatched surveillance and early‑warning capability.
  • The U.S. already operates the Pituffik Space Base (formerly Thule), a critical missile‑tracking and space‑monitoring installation.
  • Control of Greenland would allow expansion of radar, missile defense, and satellite infrastructure without Danish oversight.

🌊 2. Control of the GIUK Gap

  • Greenland anchors the Greenland–Iceland–UK (GIUK) Gap, a naval choke point essential for tracking Russian submarines entering the Atlantic.
  • Full control would give the U.S. near-total command of North Atlantic naval movement.

🚢 3. Dominance Over Emerging Arctic Shipping Routes

  • Melting ice is opening new Arctic passages that dramatically shorten Asia–Europe shipping time compared to the Suez Canal.
  • Greenland provides the best-positioned ports and monitoring stations for these routes.

⚒️ 4. Access to Critical Minerals & Rare Earth Elements

  • Greenland contains major deposits of rare earths, critical minerals, and untapped oil and gas reserves.
  • These minerals are essential for:
    • Electric vehicles
    • Wind turbines
    • Energy storage
    • Defense technologies
  • China currently dominates global rare earth supply; Greenland would break that monopoly.

🧭 5. Geopolitical Leverage in the Arctic

  • Russia and China have increased activity in the Arctic, prompting U.S. concern.
  • Control of Greenland would give the U.S. a decisive position in Arctic governance, shipping, and resource claims.

🏗️ 6. Expansion of U.S. Influence Without European Gatekeeping

  • Denmark currently provides defense for Greenland and limits U.S. actions there.
  • Direct control would remove diplomatic constraints and allow:
    • Larger military bases
    • Infrastructure development
    • Exclusive economic zones (EEZ) expansion

🧊 7. Climate‑Driven Strategic Value

  • As ice melts, Greenland’s landmass becomes more accessible for:
    • Mining
    • Construction
    • Scientific research
    • New ports
  • The U.S. would be positioned to shape the future of Arctic development.

🧑‍🤝‍🧑 8. Population Size Makes Administration Feasible

  • Greenland has only ~57,000 people.
  • From a governance standpoint, this is a small population relative to the landmass, making integration or administration more manageable.

🧭 Summary of Greenland's Strategic Value

CategoryStrategic AdvantageSource
MilitaryMissile tracking, Arctic defense, GIUK Gap control
GeopoliticalCountering Russia/China, Arctic governance
EconomicRare earths, minerals, energy reserves
LogisticalArctic shipping routes, port control
AdministrativeSmall population, large territory
 
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Different position to protect the US against an attack from Russia/China.
If I understand this correctly Denmark is a NATO ally and he's talking about invading one of their territories Greenland. Seems like to me it would not incredible damage to NATO if he did that.
 

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If I understand this correctly Denmark is a NATO ally and he's talking about invading one of their territories Greenland. Seems like to me it would not incredible damage to NATO if he did that.

Invade? Do you have a link where Trump says that? I heard him state on the tv yesterday that he's in talks with Denmark.
 

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A lot of people don't trust trust Trump, but I don't trust China's government either and they've stated they want to be a major world power, if not the main one. They also have ships in the Caribbean for that reason I suspect
 

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Did anyone think to ask the people actually living in Greenland whether they want to join the U.S.?
Let me guess, no?
 

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Did anyone think to ask the people actually living in Greenland whether they want to join the U.S.?
Let me guess, no?
From President Trump himself:

March 4, 2025 — Joint address to Congress: “We strongly support your right to determine your own future, and if you choose, we welcome you into the United States of America… We need Greenland for national security… One way or the other, we’re going to get it.” (reported by CNBC)
 

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“We strongly support your right to determine your own future, and if you choose, we welcome you into the United States of America… We need Greenland for national security… One way or the other, we’re going to get it.”
And Greenland's people have told Trump, diplomatically speaking, to "pound sand."
 

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And Greenland's people have told Trump, diplomatically speaking, to "pound sand."

When Russia and China lay their eyes on Greenland, who do you think the people there will cry to? Denmark? Europe?
 

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And Greenland's people have told Trump, diplomatically speaking, to "pound sand."
Polls do show that but Polls also indicate a majority of the people there also want to be independent of Denmark.

Which could lead to some interesting and unique proposals during negotiations.

Greenland really has no choice but to belong to somebody since it has a tiny population (maybe around 60 or so thousand) and they are mostly Inuit. They have no hope for a self sustaining economy or effective military defense in the modern world (IMO).
 

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🧭 ORIGIN OF THE NAMES: GREENLAND & ICELAND
🇮🇸 ICELAND — Why a “cold” name for a relatively green land?

According to historical accounts preserved in Icelandic sagas and modern research:
🌋 1. Early Norse explorers saw ice—but also green valleys
Iceland has glaciers, but thanks to the Gulf Stream, it is far milder than people assume. Summers are green, fertile, and full of geothermal warmth.
🧊 2. The name came from icy areas first encountered
Early explorers likely landed in regions with floating ice or snowy mountains, inspiring the name “Ísland” (Iceland).
🌱 3. Icelanders named their own land
The name was not a trick or deception; it reflected what the first settlers saw, even though much of the island is green in summer.
The explorer Hrafna‑Flóki Vilgerðarson (Raven‑Flóki) is credited with officially naming Iceland.
• He traveled to the island around 865 AD, saw a fjord filled with ice, and named it “Ísland” (Iceland)
• Flóki sailed from Norway with his family.
• After a harsh winter where his livestock died, he climbed a mountain.
• Seeing Vatnsfjörður full of ice, he declared the land Ísland.
🇬🇱 GREENLAND — Why a “green” name for a frozen continent?
🧭 1. Named by Erik the Red

The Norse explorer Erik the Red gave Greenland its name around AD 985. He had been exiled from Iceland for killing several men and sailed west to explore new land.
🌿 2. Southern Greenland was greener then
When Erik arrived, the southern coastal areas—the only habitable parts—were warmer and had grasslands suitable for farming. This was during a mild climate phase, making “Greenland” a reasonable description.
🧲 3. The name was partly marketing
Erik the Red wanted to attract settlers. A pleasant-sounding name made the land seem more appealing to potential colonists.
❄️ 4. Greenland is mostly ice today
About 80% of Greenland is covered by ice, making the name seem ironic now—but the Norse only lived in the green southern fringe.

🧩 SUMMARY OF NAMES TABLE
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🌍 NORDIC REGION — SIZE, HABITABILITY & POPULATION OVERVIEW
🟦 1. Total Regional Size & Habitability
Combined area: ≈ 1.32 million square miles (all Nordic countries + territories)
Habitability note: About half of this area is icecaps and glaciers, especially in Greenland, making large portions uninhabitable.
Geographic spread: Northern Europe + Arctic + North Atlantic.
This means the Nordics have huge landmass, but low population density because so much of the terrain is tundra, ice, mountains, or subarctic forest.

🟦 2. Total Population
Nordic population (2021): ≈ 27.5 million people
Alternate estimate (2026 projection): ≈ 26 million people
The difference comes from whether autonomous territories are included and which census year is used.

🟦 3. Country‑by‑Country Breakdown
🇸🇪 Sweden

Population: ~10.5 million
Geographic size: ~450,000 km²
Population: Largest in the region, 10+ million
Geography:
• Southern population centers (Stockholm, Gothenburg)
• Northern half: forests, lakes, low population
Habitability: Highly habitable in the south; sparsely populated north.

🇳🇴 Norway
Population: ~5.5 million
Geographic size: ~385,000 km²
Geography:
• Mountainous terrain
• Deep fjords
• Long Atlantic coastline
Habitability:
• Most people live in the south and along the coast
• Interior and far north are sparsely populated
• Note: Part of the Scandinavian Peninsula.

🇩🇰 Denmark
Population: ~5.9 million
Geographic size: ~43,000 km²
Geography:
• Flat, fertile farmland
• Jutland Peninsula + hundreds of islands
Habitability:
• Highly habitable; mildest Nordic climate
Note: Densest population distribution among the Nordics.

🇫🇮 Finland
Population: ~5.6 million
Geographic size: ~338,000 km²
Geography:
• Thousands of lakes
• Vast boreal forests
Habitability:
• Southern Finland highly populated
• Northern Lapland extremely sparse
Languages: Finnish + Swedish + Sami minorities.

🇮🇸 Iceland
Population: ~390,000
Geographic size: ~103,000 km²
Geography:
• Volcanic island
• Glaciers, lava fields, geothermal zones
Habitability:
• Most people live in the southwest (Reykjavík region)
• Interior is largely uninhabitable

🟦 4. Autonomous Territories
🇬🇱 Greenland (Denmark)

Largest Nordic landmass Geographic size: ~2,166,000 km²
• Mostly uninhabitable due to icecaps (≈ 80% ice‑covered)
Population: Very small relative to size (57,000)
Note: Accounts for most of the “uninhabitable half” of Nordic land.
 
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