IF YOU SAW RAW FOOTAGE (video) OF HEAVEN . would you accept the message as guidance?

[Holy999]

all you need is god help to multiply the video someshow.

and walla ,,,, all are saved almost

but the question is would you be convinced.

how do you imagine heaven.

is there mass food ,fluids , and dance , sing , mass event,.

what do you think

 

[Lamb]

all you need is god help to multiply the video someshow.

and walla ,,,, all are saved almost

but the question is would you be convinced.

how do you imagine heaven.

is there mass food ,fluids , and dance , sing , mass event,.

what do you think

It's God who saves and He uses the Gospel to turn men from sin and toward Him, forgiving them of their sins because of Jesus' death on the cross.

 

[Manonfire63]

It is forbidden for a living mortal to have memory of the afterlife. Someone may be able to have a dream or vision. It is forbidden to have memory of.

 

[Frankj]

It is forbidden for a living mortal to have memory of the afterlife. Someone may be able to have a dream or vision. It is forbidden to have memory of.

That's a curious statement, what religion does it originate from?

 

[Manonfire63]

That's a curious statement, what religion does it originate from?

Christianity.

I have been working for God full time, for over ten years. Some people work for Amazon or Boeing. Some people work for the government. I work for God. I have been in a Prophetic Calling.

Certain understanding of The Spiritual has been Occulted.

To Occult - To Hide Away.

I was raised Non-Denominational, as say you are. I went to a Word of Faith Church. I grew up with a belief in the supernatural; however, I didn't really know, nor was I taught, much about it. There is reason behind how God works, and there are rules to how the spiritual works. I learned by doing......working to build The Kingdom of God, and by being close to God. I follow directions.

Given someone died, and came back to life, they would have no memory of heaven or hell. It is forbidden. Someone may be able to have a vision or a dream. Having a memory of heaven or hell is forbidden.

Heaven is oneness with God. The only way to heaven is through The Lord Jesus Christ. Hades or Hell is layered like a Divine Comedy.

 

[Frankj]

You're proposing this as something revealed to you through some occultic practice, not something said in the Bible (at least not in any traditional Protestant one)?

And you bring Dante in as a source of prophetic truth?

Is there an actual Church, a denomination, that teaches these things or are they exclusive to you and what you say was revealed to you? Where would I learn more of this?

I have a difficult time with this, it isn't something I have run across before in the Christian denominations I am familiar with.

 

[Manonfire63]

A lot of Spiritual Understanding comes from a Tradition of Men of God seeing the Spiritual, and building upon Revelation. I grew up Protestant. I am have been living in Hermit Christianity, that is, I have been living alone, living in the presence of God, living Church everyday, but not being part of a Church. Experiencing the Spiritual, and learning how the spiritual works, I ended up closer to a Traditional Catholic in an understanding of Mysticism.

What is Christian Mysticism? In Orthodoxy, Mysticism would be part and parcel towards Theosis. In Catholicism, someone either was a Christian Mystic.......or....when the term Christian Mystic is brought up, they think "One of those people that I am not." They were a natural man. In Protestantism, especially from a Non-Denominational background, a lot of people when they hear the term "Christian Mysticism" may have thought "Gnostic, Freemason, Occult, Yuck." That would be a sign that certain things, within certain Protestant Denominations, were Occulted. They were hidden away.

Are you a Freemason. That would explain some things.

Freemasons have been guilty of working to control the message inorder to hide things away.

 

[Manonfire63]

Mysticism - Given someone has a belief in tongues and prophecy, that is a mysticism. Given someone is experiencing a circumcision of the heart, they are experiencing God, and they are in a mysticism.

Non-Denominational Protestants, basically baptists, have a belief in tongues, prophecy, and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That would be Mysticism.

There may have been Freemasons in Non-Denominational Churches. There may have been ex-Freemasons in their Churches teaching people wrong. Those ex-Freemasons should not be teaching. They were taught wrong to begin with, and may have ended up in some particular ritualism.

Angelology is an example of a topic that isn't taught much.....anywhere, but from me as far as I am aware, at this time. Given people people didn't know things about Angels, how can they be aware of Satan's schemes? Were you aware of Satan's Schemes? Being brought up in a Non-Denominational Church, I learned about having the Full Armor of God. I didn't really understand how that was applicable is realistic and pragmatic ways until I was working for God, engaging in Spiritual Warfare.

 

[tango]

Christianity.

I have been working for God full time, for over ten years. Some people work for Amazon or Boeing. Some people work for the government. I work for God. I have been in a Prophetic Calling.

Certain understanding of The Spiritual has been Occulted.

To Occult - To Hide Away.

I was raised Non-Denominational, as say you are. I went to a Word of Faith Church. I grew up with a belief in the supernatural; however, I didn't really know, nor was I taught, much about it. There is reason behind how God works, and there are rules to how the spiritual works. I learned by doing......working to build The Kingdom of God, and by being close to God. I follow directions.

Given someone died, and came back to life, they would have no memory of heaven or hell. It is forbidden. Someone may be able to have a vision or a dream. Having a memory of heaven or hell is forbidden.

Heaven is oneness with God. The only way to heaven is through The Lord Jesus Christ. Hades or Hell is layered like a Divine Comedy.

Sounds like a lot of assertions with little to support it. What is asserted without evidence can just as easily be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Manonfire63]

What exactly are you haughtily dismissing with an Aleister Crowley quote in your signature? Was that a worthwhile statement, or a worthless statement where you were working to convince yourself of something?

Go ahead and dismiss it.

 

[tango]

What exactly are you haughtily dismissing with an Aleister Crowley quote in your signature? Was that a worthwhile statement, or a worthless statement where you were working to convince yourself of something?

Go ahead and dismiss it.

Haughtily dismissing? You could always try addressing the concern. Radical thought I know, but there you have it. Do you have anything specific to support your assertion, or are you going to simply say you were told something by unverified sources and expect everyone to believe it?

 

[Manonfire63]

Haughtily dismissing? You could always try addressing the concern. Radical thought I know, but there you have it. Do you have anything specific to support your assertion, or are you going to simply say you were told something by unverified sources and expect everyone to believe it?

Go ahead and dismiss it.

I don't need to validate myself to you.

A man defends what he loves. What exactly is your motivation here?

Was something said contrary to a belief you held and thought you needed, or are you jealous or covetous? A lot of people did not understand the spiritual or supernatural. They did not understand heaven and hell.

 

[Edward429451]

Go ahead and dismiss it.

I don't need to validate myself to you.

A man defends what he loves. What exactly is your motivation here?

Was something said contrary to a belief you held and thought you needed, or are you jealous or covetous? A lot of people did not understand the spiritual or supernatural. They did not understand heaven and hell.

I thought it was a reasonable question. Do you have anything to support your claims that validate them in in any way. Scriptures, testimonies, whatever.
People can disagree, and that makes for good debate and academia amongst members that if pursued edifies each other. We have to remain teachable.

To dismiss the member when he asks you a question isnt debate, it sounds more like, frustration. Havent you ever been wrong before? Making deep spiritual comments and refusing debate or questions, is not debating, it's preaching. Now if you want to preach, doesnt that usually begin with a, let's all turn to John 14 and verse whatever, or similar. Very odd for a man of God to act like that.
Just my observation.

 

[Frankj]

FWIW, it's hard to ask a question or face a situation that is not covered in the Bible.

For the question posed for discussion in this thread, I suggest that the story of Lazarus and the Rich man should be given some thought.

Also, before condemning what others say and thinking of it as wrong, keep in mind the story of the blind men and the elephant. Each of them was right in his own right but each of them was also wrong in the full knowledge of what an elephant is.

It's frequently that way in real life, we disagree with each other because we are only experiencing our own part of the elephant when we should recognize others are experiencing a different part of it and seeking to learn from them so we can understand what an elephant really is.

 

[Manonfire63]

I thought it was a reasonable question. Do you have anything to support your claims that validate them in in any way. Scriptures, testimonies, whatever.
People can disagree, and that makes for good debate and academia amongst members that if pursued edifies each other. We have to remain teachable.

To dismiss the member when he asks you a question isnt debate, it sounds more like, frustration. Havent you ever been wrong before? Making deep spiritual comments and refusing debate or questions, is not debating, it's preaching. Now if you want to preach, doesnt that usually begin with a, let's all turn to John 14 and verse whatever, or similar. Very odd for a man of God to act like that.
Just my observation.

He was asking wrong. He had his ego into it. Now, you are supporting him asking wrong, and validating his bad behavior.

Tango's first comment to me here: "Sounds like a lot of assertions with little to support it. What is asserted without evidence can just as easily be dismissed without evidence."

That was disrespectful, and now you, @Edward429451 are reinforcing him being disrespectful. Did you just grab a dog by the ears?

I like talking about God and giving testimony, and can show someone a lot of interesting things. Some people won't listen or read. Given someone entered a conversation in the wrong way, they don't really care about the right answer. They cared about their ego.

 

[Manonfire63]

The Statement - It is forbidden for mortal man to have living memory of the afterlife.

In 2013, I was a pretty regular man. I was a sinner. I had been a life long Christian. I was working to get by in life. Around the age of 30 I received a prophetic calling. (Luke 3:23) I started experiencing God and the supernatural. I have had many interesting adventures.

Towards understanding the spiritual, there is a learning curve. Given someone is jealous or envious, they won't listen. I am not someone's friend or buddy. I am not someone's childhood chum on the playground. There is a big learning curve, and a lot of hard to handle testimony where someone may end up catatonic in fear given they did not have a Fear of God. Someone may end up with a Terror of God.

A Christian society is a polite society. The Spirit of God is a gentlemen. A Statement was made. An appropriate response may be

"How did you come to that conclusion?"

Sounds like a lot of assertions with little to support it. What is asserted without evidence can just as easily be dismissed without evidence.

That was the reply received after talking about The Occult, and what it is, from someone with an Aleister Crowley quote in their signature.

The implication is that someone was in the Occult looking to Occult knowledge. @Edward429451 You came to his rescue. Does that make you his accomplice?

Part of what I have do for work, for God, has been engaging in Spiritual Warfare. There has been resistance. Where there was resistance, there may have been people doing evil.

 

[Manonfire63]

How do I know that it is forbidden for mortal man to have living memory of the afterlife?

I died.

There is a long testimony there, and this is not, at this time, the right place to give it. I died. Reflecting with God, I discovered it was forbidden for mortal man to have living memory of the afterlife.

 

[Edward429451]

He was asking wrong. He had his ego into it. Now, you are supporting him asking wrong, and validating his bad behavior.

Tango's first comment to me here: "Sounds like a lot of assertions with little to support it. What is asserted without evidence can just as easily be dismissed without evidence."

That was disrespectful, and now you, @Edward429451 are reinforcing him being disrespectful. Did you just grab a dog by the ears?

I like talking about God and giving testimony, and can show someone a lot of interesting things. Some people won't listen or read. Given someone entered a conversation in the wrong way, they don't really care about the right answer. They cared about their ego.

Forgive me brother but that sounds like just a bunch of excuses so you wont have to answer the man.

You were giving testimony about God? How is it you can give testimonies here but Lamb says no one can?

 

[Manonfire63]

Forgive me brother but that sounds like just a bunch of excuses so you wont have to answer the man.

Answer who?

Sounds like a lot of assertions with little to support it. What is asserted without evidence can just as easily be dismissed without evidence.

You are dangerous ground. Given you really want to know, you can go to the afterlife yourself and find out. You know better than to act like this.

It is nobodies fault but yours.

 

[Lamb]

Forgive me brother but that sounds like just a bunch of excuses so you wont have to answer the man.

You were giving testimony about God? How is it you can give testimonies here but Lamb says no one can?

I didn't say no one can give testimonies. I had written that we don't want to have a special section on the site for Testimonials because they tend to focus on the "me" instead of on God.