Crazy Christian Theology

[Lamb]

I get it, but who wrote Hebrews and who gave that person authority to speak for God? Did the author of Hebrews meet Deuteronomy requirements for being a prophet who spoke for God? We don't know so we cannot claim that Hebrews is the word of God. However, setting that aside, let's consider what is written. From Hebrews 4 in the WEB:

12 For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account.

If anything, I read this as referring to the word of God that is in existence, not stating that others can speak it. The word of God is living and acrtive in my life, in your life, and in the life of everyone who honestly attempts to follow the word of God. The Holy Spirit will help guide us and provide wisdom if we seek it and we have the word of God as a foundation.

Isaiah is proven to have spoken for God, so what does Isaiah say about this subject? You have referenced 55:11, so taking a look at that, from the WEB:

10 For as the rain comes down and the snow from the sky,
and doesn’t return there, but waters the earth,
and makes it grow and bud,
and gives seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11 so is my word that goes out of my mouth:
it will not return to me void,
but it will accomplish that which I please,
and it will prosper in the thing I sent it to do.

To me that claims that the word of God is to be active in our lives so that it helps us spiritually grow. It doesn't give anyone authority to speak for God.

The Holy Spirit guided all the authors of the bible. Are you asking how it became canon?

 

[JustTheFacts]

The Holy Spirit guided all the authors of the bible. Are you asking how it became canon?

We've been told time and time again that the Holy Spirit guided ALL the authors of the Bible but that's not what is confirmed through the words of Jesus. False teachers (1 John 2:18-19) created theology to prove that "inspired men" could speak the word of God, so that they could also be inspired and speak the word of God. It has resulted in the mess we have in the Church today.

Jesus selected certain disciples to be his witnesses in fulfillment of Deuteronomy 17:6 and 19:15--the ones he separated and took privately to witness everything he did; John, James, Peter, and Andrew (Mark 13:3). In that same Olivet Discourse Jesus commanded those four to be his eyewitnesses (Mark 13:10).

Jesus told his disciples that THEY would receive the Holy Spirit:

"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you." (John 14:26)

The Holy Spirit reminded the disciples of everything so that they got the words in the Gospels EXACTLY the way God wanted them to be. Jesus guaranteed the world that his words would remain intact (Mark 13:31). Then Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to those in the upper room (John 20:19-22) as he promised.

 

[Lamb]

We've been told time and time again that the Holy Spirit guided ALL the authors of the Bible but that's not what is confirmed through the words of Jesus. False teachers (1 John 2:18-19) created theology to prove that "inspired men" could speak the word of God, so that they could also be inspired and speak the word of God. It has resulted in the mess we have in the Church today.

Jesus selected certain disciples to be his witnesses in fulfillment of Deuteronomy 17:6 and 19:15--the ones he separated and took privately to witness everything he did; John, James, Peter, and Andrew (Mark 13:3). In that same Olivet Discourse Jesus commanded those four to be his eyewitnesses (Mark 13:10).

Jesus told his disciples that THEY would receive the Holy Spirit:

"But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things, and will remind you of all that I said to you." (John 14:26)

The Holy Spirit reminded the disciples of everything so that they got the words in the Gospels EXACTLY the way God wanted them to be. Jesus guaranteed the world that his words would remain intact (Mark 13:31). Then Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to those in the upper room (John 20:19-22) as he promised.

You don't think that our Holy God can direct men to write according to His will so that the truth be known?

 

[JustTheFacts]

You don't think that our Holy God can direct men to write according to His will so that the truth be known?

I never said that. I said that God was very specific about who we are to believe is speaking for him. He specified the requirements for prophets to speak for God in Deuteronomy. Other than that, I have found nothing proving that God gave anyone else authority to speak for him. That doesn't at all mean that people aren't moved by the Holy Spirit. I have been moved by the Holy Spirit, but in no way does that mean that God has authorized me to speak for him. I cannot speak for God and I've seen no proof that any religious leader alive can either.

 

[Lamb]

I never said that. I said that God was very specific about who we are to believe is speaking for him. He specified the requirements for prophets to speak for God in Deuteronomy. Other than that, I have found nothing proving that God gave anyone else authority to speak for him. That doesn't at all mean that people aren't moved by the Holy Spirit. I have been moved by the Holy Spirit, but in no way does that mean that God has authorized me to speak for him. I cannot speak for God and I've seen no proof that any religious leader alive can either.

So you deny that the majority of the Holy Bible was inspired by God?

 

[JustTheFacts]

So you deny that the majority of the Holy Bible was inspired by God?

Nope. I believe that the majority of the Bible was inspired by God.

 

[Bluezone777]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

[JustTheFacts]

2 Timothy 3:16-17 NKJV

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Is Paul claiming that his words are the word on God? Or, was Paul referring to Old Testament scripture of which he would have been an expert?

 

[Lanman87]

Nope. I believe that the majority of the Bible was inspired by God.

@Lamb

He denies that ALL of the Bible was inspired by God. He leaves out all of the New Testament except Matthew, Mark, John, John's epistles and Revelation.

Quoting Paul or Peter or Hebrews means nothing to him.

 

[Lamb]

@Lamb

He denies that ALL of the Bible was inspired by God. He leaves out all of the New Testament except Matthew, Mark, John, John's epistles and Revelation.

Quoting Paul or Peter or Hebrews means nothing to him.

So much of Jesus is now gone from his theology then.

 

[JustTheFacts]

So much of Jesus is now gone from his theology then.

Actually, because I rely on the word of God meeting Deuteronomy requirements, I don’t need theology. Based on that, I‘d like to know what you consider I am missing in regards to Jesus?

In addition, just to clarify, the other letters and books included in the New Testament may be considered by some to be inspired but they don't meet Deuteronomy requirements to be the word of God.

 

[BruceLeiter]

I get it, but who wrote Hebrews and who gave that person authority to speak for God? Did the author of Hebrews meet Deuteronomy requirements for being a prophet who spoke for God? We don't know so we cannot claim that Hebrews is the word of God. However, setting that aside, let's consider what is written. From Hebrews 4 in the WEB:

12 For the word of God is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him to whom we must give an account.

If anything, I read this as referring to the word of God that is in existence, not stating that others can speak it. The word of God is living and acrtive in my life, in your life, and in the life of everyone who honestly attempts to follow the word of God. The Holy Spirit will help guide us and provide wisdom if we seek it and we have the word of God as a foundation.

Isaiah is proven to have spoken for God, so what does Isaiah say about this subject? You have referenced 55:11, so taking a look at that, from the WEB:

10 For as the rain comes down and the snow from the sky,
and doesn’t return there, but waters the earth,
and makes it grow and bud,
and gives seed to the sower and bread to the eater;
11 so is my word that goes out of my mouth:
it will not return to me void,
but it will accomplish that which I please,
and it will prosper in the thing I sent it to do.

To me that claims that the word of God is to be active in our lives so that it helps us spiritually grow. It doesn't give anyone authority to speak for God.

JustTheFacts, if you question Hebrews being the Word of God, what other parts of the Bible do you question? As I recall, people in the early church questioned it too, but it was included because it agrees with the teachings expressed in the other books with known authors.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Well, the visions I’ve had over the past five years have helped provide direction, and when I’m struggling, through prayer, I continue to find answers that make sense. Of course I can be wrong. I’m on here to present what I’ve been directed to write and get input from others. BTW, the Bible cannot make assumptions nor give you reasoning because it’s a book. So I don’t understand your point. If you are referring to the professional opinions of others, I respect that, but my focus is different. I consider evidence. With my find that the Gospels are eyewitness documented statements, we have evidence. With inspired words of God we have no evidence, only claims.

Not all visions are from God. How do you know they are from him?

 

[BruceLeiter]

Actually, because I rely on the word of God meeting Deuteronomy requirements, I don’t need theology. Based on that, I‘d like to know what you consider I am missing in regards to Jesus?

In addition, just to clarify, the other letters and books included in the New Testament may be considered by some to be inspired but they don't meet Deuteronomy requirements to be the word of God.

What "Deuteronomy requirements for the Word of God do you mean, JustTheFacts?

 

[JustTheFacts]

JustTheFacts, if you question Hebrews being the Word of God, what other parts of the Bible do you question? As I recall, people in the early church questioned it too, but it was included because it agrees with the teachings expressed in the other books with known authors.

I believe all the books that meet the Deuteroniomy requirements are the word of God. This includes the OT prophets who prophesied Jesus because it came true, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and John because they were written by eyewitnesses of Jesus. in addition, John is validated as a prophet because he received the vision of Revelation and portions of this have been proven true. The letters John wrote are also inspired words of God.

 

[JustTheFacts]

What "Deuteronomy requirements for the Word of God do you mean, JustTheFacts?

The OT prophets and John have been proven through 18:21-22 because Jesus has been proven to the the Messiah through eyewitness testimony meeting 17:6 and 19:15.

 

[JustTheFacts]

Not all visions are from God. How do you know they are from him?

I agree that most visions are not from God. I know mine are from God because:
1. God has miraculously spared my life several times, with one instance that could only have come from God.
2. God took me to hell through an NDE to show me what my eternal future was--I thought I was a Christian, but I was far from it.
3. I recovered from my NDE and chose to start working for God, and when I did, the visions and dreams started.
4. Nobody has solved Daniel 9:24-27 nor the other mathematics of prophecy until the Holy Spirit directed me to the solutions. FYI, there are three keys to solving Daniel and Revelation prophecy:
a. They are both all about the Church and they connect together.
b. The "seven sevens" of the "seventy sevens" of Daniel is a reference to Jesus.
c. The woman in Revelation is a representation of the Church of Jesus Christ that started out pure and became corrupted.

God gave me a gift for solving puzzles. After I started working for God, visions/dreams helped guide me to answers and solutions. The math of the "seventy sevens" was extremely frustrating for me as I tried to solve it. In answer to prayer the Holy Spirit provided me a vision telling me to recall learning about Calculus. The Holy Spirit was telling me to persevere and the answer would come to be like a flash. A week or so later the answer came to me in a flash.

Some of my visions I understand, but other aren't solved for months and likely some for years--if I have that long to figure them out. I am in no way comparing myself to Daniel, but consider that there is evidence in his book that he didn't understand his visions until the last year of his life.

I have a really cool story about a few visions that God used to tell me to have faith and relocate, maybe some day I will get into them here when I have time. An interesting fact is that I had a couple contractors at my house a few days ago and somehow the subject of visions came up. I mentioned my visions and discussed a few, then both described themselves having visions but they don't talk about them because when they do, people think they are crazy. Joel 2:28 describes how in the last days men will have visions. The mathematical solution of Daniel and Revelation indicates that we are in the last 300 years or so. I haven't validated and verified the math with anyone else yet, but I've been over it numerous times and can't find errors.

 

[Lanman87]

I agree that most visions are not from God. I know mine are from God because:

There are a lot of people that have claimed to have visions that are complete bunk. And everyone of those people knew their visions were from God.

 

[JustTheFacts]

There are a lot of people that have claimed to have visions that are complete bunk. And everyone of those people knew their visions were from God.

Expected response. Have any of them solved Daniel’s seventy sevens and the math connecting Daniel to Revelation To the seven year mission of Jesus? Maybe they did, but the experts and their followers never bothered to examine their claims, because they know that God does not work like that!

 

[JustTheFacts]

It’s funny because throughout my career I’ve face many difficult audiences and customers including CEOs, Lab Directors, Welders, Plumbers, Operators, and many others. But investigating for them and providing the conclusions to all them has been a piece of cake compared to dealing with Christian religious leaders and Christians. Never have I had to provide investigation details and conclusions to such a biased group who have all the answers and aren’t interested in any data that contradicts their theology. What’s even worse is that their theology is not even based on the word of God.