This heretical teaching is disproven.

[Albion]

The point here is either being repeatedly missed by you or deliberately ignored by you.

You have reached a conclusion about something that is not accepted as definitive by any denomination that I know of...and then you've presented your conclusion to us as if it were necessarily true and proven. It is none of that.

It remains only a personal belief. None of us has demanded that you abandon it, if that's your choice, but that is as far as this goes.

 

[Soulx3]

Fine, maybe not exactly heretical, but soundly rejected them. According to Catholic.com:
In 1960 The Poem of the Man-God, then a four-volume set, was placed on the Index of Forbidden Books. The official Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, summarized the findings of the Holy Office in an article titled “A Life of Jesus Badly Fictionalized.” When the publishers tried to get around this condemnation the next year by publishing a new ten-volume set, the work again was condemned in the Vatican paper which called it “a mountain of childishness, of fantasies, and of historical and exegetical falsehoods, diluted in a subtly sensual atmosphere.”

In correspondence with Catholic Answers, Apostolic Nuncio Archbishop Agostino Cacciavillan, pointed out that, although the Index was abolished in 1965, it still retains its moral force, and faithful Catholics should heed the reservations and cautions expressed in it.


further:
then Cardinal Ratzinger, serving as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, reaffirmed in 1993:

The “visions” and “dictations” referred to in the work, The Poem of the Man-God, are simply the literary forms used by the author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be considered supernatural in origin.

Try and get around it if you want to, but her writings are certainly to be taken as unreliable at best, they were condemned and are not approved to this day.

Again, your research is incomplete, but depending on what you type into Google, the following isn't found on page 1. So, it's not entirely your fault. Anyway, since I already have the information, I'll just copy/paste for you:

"Valtorta’s Work is Placed on the Index
On February 26, 1948 Pius XII received in audience Fr. Romualdo Migliorini, O.S.M., Valtorta’s spiritual director, Father Corrado Berti, O.S.M., professor of dogmatic and sacramental theology at the Marianum Pontifical Faculty of Theology in Rome, and Father Andrea Cecchin, Prior of the Order of the Servants of Mary.5 Pius XII had been given some months earlier a typewritten copy of Valtorta’s still unpublished work. The above-mentioned priests reported that Pius XII told them at the audience, “Publish this work as it is. There is no need to give an opinion about its origin, whether it be extraordinary or not. Who reads it, will understand."

However, in 1949, the Holy Office summoned Fr. Berti to appear before it and forbade the publication of the work. In 1952 ten scholars, among whom was Archbishop Alfonso Carinci, Secretary for the Sacred Congregation of Rites, petitioned Pius XII to permit the work to be published. Nonetheless there was no forthcoming papal intervention and on December 16, 1959, under John XXIII, the Holy Office placed the work on the Index. The decree was published in the January 6, 1960 edition of L’Osservatore Romano along with an anonymous article that was critical of the work. The article asserted that the work had been placed on the Index because the publisher had violated canon 1385 (CIC/17) which required any writings treating of religious matters to received the imprimatur prior to publication. The article went on to criticize the work’s length, literary style, and content. The Index would be abrogated just a few years later. Interest in Valtorta’s writings would not only continue but would increase significantly in the following decades. This would lead some ecclesiastical authorities to issue letters referencing the fact that this work had been placed on the Index and that the Index’s moral value endured.

Juridic Import of Subsequent Letters from Prelates
In the decades following the Index’s abrogation Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Bishop Dionigi Tettamanzi wrote letters recalling that Valtorta’s work had been placed on the Index and reiterating the Index’s enduring moral value. Other prelates wrote letters in support of the work. We will now briefly examine the juridic import of these documents.

Letters of Ratzinger
Since the abrogation of the Index the CDF has never issued a notification or decree with regard to Valtorta’s writings. However, on January 31, 1985, Cardinal Ratzinger wrote a private letter to Cardinal Siri on the subject.10 A priest from Cardinal Siri’s diocese had written the CDF asking the position of the Church’s Magisterium with regard to the Poem. Ratzinger responded by writing Siri, whom he invited to share the contents of the letter with the priest concerned. The brief letter recalled the Holy Office’s decree of December 16, 1959, the anonymous article printed in L’Osservatore Romano in 1960, and the CDF’s 1966 Notification on the enduring moral value of the Index. As was seen supra the Notification clarified that the decree of 1959 no longer has any juridic value and that the enduring moral value of the Index lies in it providing input to the conscience of each Catholic, who then has the role of discerning and deciding whether or not to read a work that had been on the Index.

Ratzinger then adds something new: that “the diffusion and recommendation of [a work such as the Poem] is not held to be opportune when its condemnation was not taken superficially, but after weighing its purposes, to the end of neutralizing the damages which such a publication could bring to the more unprepared faithful.” This statement was not made in the form of a juridic act of the CDF—such as a decree or notification (nor therefore, a fortiori, could it be considered to be an authentic interpretation of the law. As a result this affirmation in the letter has no juridic weight.

On May 21, 1993 Bishop Raymond Boland of Birmingham Alabama, in a letter to Terry Colafrancesco, asserted that Cardinal Ratzinger had written to him on April 17, 1993 and had “asked me to inform you about the position of the Church” regarding the Poem. Boland asserted that the Cardinal wished to recall the items previously published in L’Osservatore Romano (presumably the decree of December 16, 1959, the accompanying anonymous article, and the Notification of November 15, 1966). He also asserted that the CDF had asked the Italian Bishops Conference to request of the publisher of the Poem that in any future edition “it might be clearly indicated from the very first page that the ‘visions’ and ‘dictations’ referred to in it are simply the literary forms used by the author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be considered supernatural in origin.”

The April 17 letter of Ratzinger was never made public. Even if it were made public, and if its language matched exactly that reported by Boland, Ratzinger’s letter would not have any juridic weight as its content does not contain a judicial sentence or an act of legislative or executive authority. It would rather be a letter relaying that the CDF had communicated with the Italian Bishops Conference and that this Conference communicated with the publisher of the Poem. Those communications would then need to be analyzed to determine their own juridic weight.

Current Juridic and Moral Value of the Index for the Poem of the Man-God
What then is the current juridic and moral value of the Index for the Poem of the Man-God? The Index no longer has the force of ecclesiastical law; therefore when one chooses to read, publish, or promote the Poem there is no violation of ecclesiastical law. The various letters issued by prelates in the decades following the abrogation of the Index on the subject of the Poem are not (with the exception of the imprimatur granted by Bishop Pakiam), juridically binding. Hence a Catholic is permitted to think and act in ways different from the opinions expressed therein. For example, a Catholic who believes the Poem to be of supernatural origin or promotes it as such is not being disobedient to Bishop Tettamanzi’s letter, for the letter has no juridic weight."

Source:

https://www.valtorta.org.au/JCL-Thesis-on-the-Index-and-Valtorta.pdf

 

[Castle Church]

AH yes, the apologetics come out for a charlatan and fake. No thank you, I am going to bow out of the conversation, there is no point in continuing this nonsense.

 

[Soulx3]

The point here is either being repeatedly missed by you or deliberately ignored by you.

You have reached a conclusion about something that is not accepted as definitive by any denomination that I know of...and then you've presented your conclusion to us as if it were necessarily true and proven. It is none of that.

It remains only your personal belief. None of us has demanded that you abandon it, if that's your choice, but that is as far as this goes.

Of course no one has demanded me to abandon what I believe, just as I haven't demanded that anyone abandon what they believe. And, we should remember, Jesus claimed He was God and the Messiah, and cited from the Old Testament in support of this, and still there were Jews who knew Scripture front to back, back to front, and insisted their understanding of God's Word was accurate, because they expected the Messiah to be the complete opposite of who Jesus was and claimed to be. God Himself couldn't convince them of the truths He was speaking, not only because He didn't do violence to their free will, but because of how they chose to use it. Therefore, no matter how much any of us read, study, or debate scriptural verses, it means nothing because only God can bring us to recognize what's Truth and false, and He will provided we have humility, Faith, and a will to know and accept the truth, even if it's not what we expect or want. Do I believe what I do is the truth? Yes. And, even if I and others die believing or not what I do, that's not what determines whether or not we will receive eternal life.

 

[Soulx3]

AH yes, the apologetics come out for a charlatan and fake. No thank you, I am going to bow out of the conversation, there is no point in continuing this nonsense.

You're welcome for the information. Regarding your accusation that Maria Valtorta was a "charlatan and fake," professors, doctors, etc., who actually read and studied her writings in-depth, unlike you, didn't even reach that conclusion. Below are just a few:

(I) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

In conclusion, what do these findings mean? That Maria Valtorta is such a good writer to be able to modulate the linguistic parameters in so many different ways and as a function of character of the plot and type of literary text, so as to cover almost the entire range of the Italian literature? Or that visions and dictations really occurred and she was only a mystical, very intelligent and talented “writing tool”? Of course, no answer grounded in science can be given to the latter question.

(II) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

“It seems that she has written down observations and facts that really happened at the time of Jesus’ life, as a real witness of them would have done. The question arises, unsolved from a point of view exclusively rational, how all this is possible because what Maria Valtorta writes down cannot, in any way, be traced back to her fantasy or to her astronomical and meteorological knowledge. In conclusion, if from one hand the scientific inquire has evidenced all the surprising and unexpected results reported and discussed in this paper, on the other hand our actual scientific knowledge cannot readily explain how these results are possible.”

(III) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:

“An additional line of incontrovertible evidence (which Valtorta was encouraged by Jesus to include for the benefit of “the difficult doctors” of the Church) deals with the vast amount of geographical, climatic, agricultural, historical, astronomical, and cartographical information given in her work. Authorities in these fields have verified the accuracy of what she has reported with appropriate astonishment. Valtorta accurately identifies this agricultural and climatic information that is often unique to Palestine with the appropriate calendar period which she often specifically identifies. Without any evidence of planning and with hardly any corrections, Valtorta ends up with a perfectly flowing 3½ year story line with Jesus appropriately in Jerusalem and Judea for Passover and Pentecost in all four spring seasons, and at the Tabernacles in all three fall seasons of His ministry. Valtorta shows Jesus to have traversed the land of Palestine from one end to another in at least six cycles (some 4,000 miles), ministering in some 350 named locations, including places in Palestine known only to specialized archaeologists. Not once, however, does she have Jesus (or any one of the other 500 characters) in a place inconsistent with either the story line or distance or timing necessities.”

(IV) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

“The work [The Poem of the Man-God] overflows with exact data from the viewpoint of history, topography, architecture, geography, ethnology, chronology, etc. Furthermore, Maria Valtorta often provides precise details known only by some scholars, and in certain cases, she even records details totally unknown at the time she recorded them, and which archeology, history, or science have later confirmed.”

 

[Lamb]

I would prefer scripture which we know is God's word and the Holy Spirit using it to bring our faith to more wisdom, far above someone else's writings. Especially if you're going to be posting in a forum called Bible Study.

 

[Soulx3]

I would prefer scripture which we know is God's word and the Holy Spirit using it to bring our faith to more wisdom, far above someone else's writings. Especially if you're going to be posting in a forum called Bible Study.

Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of Jesus and I gave evidence to support that. I have more evidence if anyone is interested. Maria received scenes, or visions, from Jesus's life, which she described in-depth at Jesus's behest, as well as took dictation from Him, and other heavenly persons, including the Holy Spirit. Some of those writings are an expansion of the four Gospels of Christ. On October 17th, 1944, Jesus said, "Now we come to the so-called 5th gospel. There are four Gospels. Now I am explaining them in order to bring to light others which are lost or downplayed. But I am not creating another Gospel. There are four, four there will remain. Understood in detail or left in their broad outlines, four and no more" (The Little Notebooks: 1943). These writings, that I have reason to believe also come from God, help me in my study of Scripture.

 

[Albion]

Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of God, and I gave evidence to support that.

No, you didn't. What you gave was, at best, evidence of some inexplicable happenings, but not that she was a "spokesperson of God."

 

[Lamb]

Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of God, and I gave evidence to support that. I have more evidence if anyone is interested. Maria received scenes, or visions, from Jesus's life, which she described in-depth at Jesus's behest, as well as took dictation from Him, and other heavenly persons, including the Holy Spirit. Some of those writings are an expansion of the four Gospels of Christ. Jesus said that doesn't make them a "fifth Gospel," and that there are four, and will only ever be four. These writings, that I have reason to believe also come from God, help me in my study of Scripture.

The bible is complete. Maria didn't need to add to it.

 

[Soulx3]

No, you didn't. What you gave was, at best, evidence of some inexplicable happenings, but not that she was a "spokesperson of God."

What do you have to say about those "inexplicable happenings" if they aren't attributed to God?

The bible is complete. Maria didn't need to add to it.

Maria Valtorta's The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, is the the same gospel but expanded, and again, On October 17th, 1944, Jesus said, "Now we come to the so-called 5th gospel. There are four Gospels. Now I am explaining them in order to bring to light others which are lost or downplayed. But I am not creating another Gospel. There are four, four there will remain. Understood in detail or left in their broad outlines, four and no more" (The Little Notebooks: 1943). And, Jesus gave His seven reasons why He expanded on His Gospel. Below are a couple excerpts, the largest directed at you and others who've responded as you just did. May you be blessed by it.

The reasons that have induced Me to enlighten and dictate episodes and words of Mine to Little John (Jesus's nickname for His spokesperson Maria Valtorta) are, in addition to the joy of communicating an exact knowledge of Me to this loving victim-soul, manifold. But the moving spirit of all of them is My love for the Church, both teaching and militant, and My desire to help souls in their ascent towards perfection. The knowledge of Me helps to ascend. My Word is Life.

And now? What do you say to your Master? You are not speaking to Me. But you are speaking in your hearts, and only if you may be able to do so, you speak to little John. But in neither of these two cases you speak with the justice that I should like to see in you. Because you speak to little John to grieve him, trampling on the charity for the Christian sister and the instrument of God. / truly tell you once again that to be an instrument of Mine is not a placid joy: it is continuous fatigue and effort, it is sorrow in everything, because the world gives the disciples of the Master what it gave the Master: sorrow; and at least priests, and in particular confreres, ought to help these little martyrs who proceed under their crosses... And because in your hearts, speaking to yourselves, you utter a complaint of pride, of envy, of incredulity and other things.

In the evening of the Last Supper, I said to the Eleven who loved Me: "When the Comforter comes, He will remind you of everything I told you." When I spoke I always bore in mind, in addition to those who were present, all those who would be My disciples in spirit, and with truth and a will to want. The Holy Spirit, Who already with His Grace instills the faculty of remembering God into you, freeing your souls from the hebetude of the Original Sin and relieving them of the obscurities that, because of the sad inheritance of Adam, envelop the brightness of the spirits created by God to enjoy His sight and spiritual knowledge, completes His work of Master by "reminding" the hearts of those who are led by Him and who are the children of God, of what I said, and which constitutes the Gospel. To remind here means to enlighten the spirit of it. Because it is nothing to remember the words of the Gospel, if its spirit is not understood.

And the spirit of the Gospel, which is Love, can be made understood by the Love, that is, by the Holy Spirit, Who, as He has been the true Writer of the Gospel, is also its only Commentator, because only the Author of a work knows the spirit of it and understands it, even if he does not succeed in making its readers understand it. But where a human author fails, because every human perfection is rich in deficiencies, the Most Perfect and Wise Spirit succeeds. So only the Holy Spirit, the author of the Gospel, is also He Who remembers and comments and completes it in the inmost parts of the soul of God's children.

"The Comforter, the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send you in My Name, will teach you everything, will remind you of everything I told you. " (John 14:26)

"When the Spirit of Truth comes, He will teach you all the truth: because He will not speak by Himself, but will say everything He has heard and will announce to you the future. He will glorify Me, because He will take what is Mine and will announce it to you. Everything the Father has is Mine; that is why I said that He will receive what is Mine and will announce it to you. " (John 16:13-15)

Then if you object that, as the Holy Spirit is the true Author of the Gospel, one fails to understand why He did not remember what is mentioned in this work and what John makes one understand did happen, in the last words that close his Gospel, I reply to you that the thoughts of God are different from those of men, and are always just and not liable to criticism.

Further: if you object that the revelation was closed with the last Apostle, and there was nothing further to add, because the same Apostle says in Revelation: "If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book" (22: 1 8) and that can be understood for all the Revelation, the last completion of which is the Revelation by John, I reply to you that with this work no addition was made to revelation, but only the gaps, brought about by natural causes and by supernatural will, were filled in.

And if I wanted to take pleasure in restoring the picture of My Divine Charity as a restorer of mosaics does replacing the tesserae damaged or missing, reinstating the mosaic in its complete beauty, and I have decided to do it in this century in which mankind is hurling itself towards the Abyss of darkness and horror, can you forbid Me from doing so? Can you perhaps say that you do not need it, you whose spirits are dull, weak, deaf to lights, voices and invitations from Above?

You ought really to bless Me for increasing with new lights the light that you have and that is no longer sufficient for you to "see" your Savior. To see the Way, the Truth and the Life, and feel that spiritual emotion of the just of My time rise in you, attaining through this knowledge a renewal of your spirits in love, that would be your salvation, because it is an ascent towards perfection.

I do not say you are "dead", but sleeping, drowsy. Like plants during their winter sleep. The divine Sun gives you its refulgence. Awake and bless the Sun that gives you itself, receive it with joy that It may warm you, from the surface to deep inside you, it may rouse you and cover you with flowers and fruits.

Rise. Come to My Gift.

'Take and eat. Take and drink' I said to the apostles.

If you only knew the gift of God and who it is that is saying to you: 'give me a drink', you would have been the one to ask, and he would have given you living water" I said to the Samaritan woman.

I say also now: to doctors and to Samaritans as well. Because both extreme classes need it, and also those need it, who are between the two extremes. The former not to be underfed and deprived of strength also with regard to themselves, and of supernatural nourishment for those who languish with lack of knowledge of God, of the God-Man, of the Master and Savior. The latter because souls need living water, when they perish far away from the springs. Those in the middle, between the former and the latter, the great mass of those who are not big sinners, and also of those who are static in not making any progress, through laziness, tepidness, because of a wrong concept of holiness, those who are scrupulous of not being damned, of being observant, of becoming entangled in a labyrinth of superficial practices, but dare not take a step on the steep, very steep road of heroism, so that from this work they may receive the initial incentive to come out of that immobility and set out on the heroic way.

I tell you these words. I offer you this food and this drink of living water. My word is Life. And I want you in the Life, with Me. And I multiply My Word to counterbalance the miasmata of Satan as they destroy the vital strength of your spirit.

Do not reject Me. I am anxious to give Myself to you, because I love you. And My anxiety is inextinguishable. I ardently wish to communicate Myself to you to make you ready for the banquet of the celestial nuptials. And you need Me in order not to

languish, to dress yourselves with dresses adorned for the Wedding of the Lamb, for the great feast of God after overcoming the affliction in this desert full of snares, of brambles and snakes, which is the Earth, to pass through flames without suffering damage, to tread on reptiles and have to take poisons without dying, as you have Me in you.

And I say to you: "Take, do take this work and 'do not seal it', but read it and have it read 'because the time is close'." Revelation 22:10. "And let those who are holy become holier" (22:11).

May the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ be with all those who in this book see an approach of Mine and urge it to be accomplished, to their defense, with the cry of Love: "Come, Lord Jesus. (see Rev. 22:20-21, the last two sentences of the Bible)

 

[Lamb]

What do you have to say about those "inexplicable happenings" if they aren't attributed to God?



Maria Valtorta's The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, is the the same gospel but expanded, and Jesus said it's not a fifth gospel, because there are four, and will always be four. Jesus gave His seven reasons why He expanded on His Gospel. Below are a couple excerpts, the largest directed at you and others who've responded as you just did. May you be blessed by it.

Well, I can tell you right now that I've found an error in what "Jesus" supposedly said in there, but it's a Catholic teaching and I find that to be in error anyway. I don't think you should be trying to tell members here that those writing are in any way on equal ground with scripture.

 

[Soulx3]

Well, I can tell you right now that I've found an error in what "Jesus" supposedly said in there, but it's a Catholic teaching and I find that to be in error anyway. I don't think you should be trying to tell members here that those writing are in any way on equal ground with scripture.

So, the "error" you found you call a Catholic teaching, which you say is false anyway, and thus is your idea of evidence that Mary Valtorta wasn't a spokesperson of Jesus? Is that not confirmation bias? And, what teaching are you referring to?

Also, what do you mean by "on equal ground with Scripture? And, why is it that I shouldn't say what I believe on this forum, which is that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of Jesus, but it's ok for others to say what they believe on this forum, which is that she wasn't?

 

[Lamb]

So, the "error" you found you call a Catholic teaching, which you say is false anyway, and thus is your idea of evidence that Mary Valtorta wasn't a spokesperson of Jesus? Is that not confirmation bias? And, what teaching are you referring to?

Also, what do you mean by "on equal ground with Scripture? And, why is it that I shouldn't say what I believe on this forum, which is that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson of Jesus, but it's ok for others to say what they believe on this forum, which is that she wasn't?

It's okay for you to say what you believe, but Maria is not a "spokesperson" for Jesus and I don't think anyone on this forum believes she spoke directly through Jesus apart from what scripture says.

 

[Soulx3]

It's okay for you to say what you believe, but Maria is not a "spokesperson" for Jesus and I don't think anyone on this forum believes she spoke directly through Jesus apart from what scripture says.

Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson for Jesus, and I already know you and others currently don't agree. Anyway, a supposed "error" you found in Maria's writings you call a Catholic teaching, which you say is already false anyway, and thus is your idea of evidence that Mary Valtorta wasn't a spokesperson of Jesus? Is that not confirmation bias? And, what teaching are you referring to? Also, what do you mean by "on equal ground with Scripture?