The Manifestation of the Spirit for the Common Good 1 Corinthians 12

[Truth Seeker]

1 Corinthians 12:1, "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant."

This verse underscores the importance of understanding and properly utilizing spiritual gifts within the church. The gifts of the Spirit, including wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, tongues, and interpretation of tongues, are vital for the edification and unity of the body of Christ. These gifts are available to all believers and are given by the Holy Spirit to empower the church for ministry and service. Ignorance of these gifts can lead to misuse or neglect, which can hinder the work of the Spirit and the growth of the church. Therefore, believers are encouraged to seek a deeper understanding of spiritual gifts, to desire them earnestly, and to use them in love and humility for the common good and the advancement of God's kingdom.

1 Corinthians 12:2, "Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led."

This verse highlights the transformative power of conversion and the stark contrast between their former life and their new life in Christ. The term "Gentiles" refers to their previous identity as non-believers, who were led astray by "dumb idols," signifying lifeless and powerless false gods. This idolatry represents their spiritual blindness and bondage. However, through the gospel of Jesus Christ, they have been delivered from this futile way of life. The emphasis is on the radical change that occurs when one turns away from idols and embraces the living God. This transformation is a testament to the power of the Holy Spirit, who now leads and guides them into all truth, empowering them to live a life that glorifies God. This change is not merely a shift in religious affiliation but a profound rebirth, moving from spiritual death to life in Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:3, "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."

Paul makes a profound statement about the acknowledgment of Jesus' Lordship, emphasizing the role of the Holy Spirit. This verse underscores the necessity of the Holy Spirit in recognizing and confessing the true identity of Jesus Christ. No one can genuinely declare Jesus as Lord without the revelation and empowerment of the Holy Spirit. This acknowledgment goes beyond mere words; it signifies a deep, spiritual recognition of Jesus' divine nature and His authority as God manifested in the flesh. Furthermore, it implies that the Spirit of God indwells and transforms believers, enabling them to fully comprehend and proclaim Jesus' Lordship. Jesus is the one true God revealed to humanity, and the Holy Spirit is essential for understanding and declaring this truth.

1 Corinthians 12:4, which states, "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit,"

Emphasizes the unity and diversity within the body of Christ. God is absolutely and indivisibly one. This verse highlights that while there are various spiritual gifts given to believers, they all originate from the same Spirit—the Holy Spirit. These gifts are diverse and serve different purposes within the church, but they are unified by their source in God's Spirit. This underscores the importance of recognizing and valuing each member's unique contributions, as they are all empowered by the same Spirit to work together harmoniously for the common good and the edification of the church. Thus, diversity in gifts does not imply division but rather a cohesive operation within the unified body of Christ.

 

[Albion]

1 Corinthians 12:1, "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant."

This verse underscores the importance of understanding and properly utilizing spiritual gifts within the church.

Remember that the epistle was directed to the Corinthians.

Unfortunately, and fairly recently only in church history, some Christian groups have made the claim that the gifts (see below) were meant for every believer of all time and that they were mainstays of the Christian religion through all of time thereafter.

Worse, many such groups and denominations insist that it's not possible for anyone to be a complete Christian unless he demonstrates a facility with one or more of these gifts.

The gifts of the Spirit, including wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, tongues, and interpretation of tongues, are vital for the edification and unity of the body of Christ. These gifts are available to all believers and are given by the Holy Spirit to empower the church for ministry and service. Ignorance of these gifts can lead to misuse or neglect,

 

[Truth Seeker]

Remember that the epistle was directed to the Corinthians.

Unfortunately, and fairly recently only in church history, some Christian groups have made the claim that the gifts (see below) were meant for every believer of all time and that they were mainstays of the Christian religion through all of time thereafter.

Worse, many such groups and denominations insist that it's not possible for anyone to be a complete Christian unless he demonstrates a facility with one or more of these gifts.

The interpretation of spiritual gifts, as described in 1 Corinthians 12, emphasizes their ongoing relevance and importance for all believers. These gifts, including prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, healing, and others, are viewed as essential manifestations of the Holy Spirit's power and presence in the church. These gifts were not only present in the early church but are intended for believers in all ages as evidence of the continuing work of the Spirit.

Regarding the assertion that every believer must demonstrate one or more of these gifts to be considered complete, the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life is evidenced by these gifts. The exercise of spiritual gifts is part of the normal Christian experience and an expression of the Spirit's empowerment for ministry and edification within the body of Christ. Therefore, while not all believers may operate in every gift listed in 1 Corinthians 12, the expectation is that spiritual gifts will operate as needed according to the Spirit's leading and the needs of the church.

 

[Truth Seeker]

1 Corinthians 12:5, "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord"

Highlights the diversity of roles and functions within the body of Christ, all operating under the lordship of Jesus Christ. In the church, various ministries and offices, such as pastors, teachers, evangelists, and other leadership roles, are established to serve different purposes and needs. These differences in administration or service are divinely appointed and necessary for the effective functioning and edification of the church. Despite the variety in how these roles are carried out, they are unified under the same Lord, Jesus Christ, who is the head of the church. This unity in diversity underscores the importance of cooperation and mutual respect among believers, as they work together to fulfill the mission of the church. It also reflects that Jesus is the central and singular Lord, who empowers and directs all aspects of ministry and service within the church.

1 Corinthians 12:6, "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all"

Underscores the variety of ways in which God works through His people, while affirming the unity of God in all these diverse operations. This scripture emphasizes that while there are different manifestations of God's power and various ways He accomplishes His will through believers, it is the same singular God at work in every instance. This aligns with the Biblical theology that stresses the absolute oneness of God. God manifests His power and presence in various ways—through miracles, healings, prophecy, and other spiritual gifts—but it is always the same God, Jesus Christ, who operates these gifts through the Holy Spirit. This understanding encourages believers to recognize and appreciate the diversity of God's work in the church while maintaining the fundamental unity of God's nature and purpose. It calls for a collective acknowledgment of God's sovereignty and an appreciation for the different ways He chooses to work through each individual for the common good of the body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:7, "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal"

Emphasizes that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are distributed among all believers for the common good of the church. The manifestation of the Spirit refers to the various gifts and abilities imparted by the Holy Spirit, such as wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discernment, tongues, and interpretation of tongues. These gifts are not meant for personal glory or benefit but are given to each believer to serve and edify the body of Christ. Every member of the church has a role and a function, and the diverse manifestations of the Spirit enable the church to operate effectively and harmoniously. This distribution ensures that the church as a whole is strengthened, encouraged, and equipped to carry out its mission. The Bible emphasizes the importance of seeking and using these spiritual gifts responsibly and in accordance with biblical principles, always aiming to glorify God and build up the community of believers.

 

[Castle Church]

Regarding the assertion that every believer must demonstrate one or more of these gifts to be considered complete, the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life is evidenced by these gifts.

I think given that one of the gifts is "faith" we can say that the evidence of the Holy Spirit is the perseverance of faith in Christ Jesus. Unfortunately many Christians forget the more standard or less sensational fruits, such as faith, knowledge, patience, kindness, and wisdom and elevate the ones that you mentioned ( prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, healing, ) to the true proof of having the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truth Seeker]

I think given that one of the gifts is "faith" we can say that the evidence of the Holy Spirit is the perseverance of faith in Christ Jesus. Unfortunately many Christians forget the more standard or less sensational fruits, such as faith, knowledge, patience, kindness, and wisdom and elevate the ones that you mentioned ( prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, healing, ) to the true proof of having the Holy Spirit.

Totally agree. Here is a little more info for those who might need understanding:

The distinction between the Fruits of the Spirit and the Gifts of the Spirit highlights the comprehensive work of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life. The Fruits of the Spirit represent the internal transformation that occurs as a believer walks in the Spirit. This transformation reflects the nature and character of Jesus Christ, promoting ethical and moral integrity. The development of these fruits is a continual process, indicating spiritual maturity and a deepening relationship with God. As believers grow in love, joy, peace, and the other fruits, they become more effective witnesses of Christ's character in their everyday lives.

On the other hand, the Gifts of the Spirit are seen as divine enablings that equip believers to serve the church and fulfill God's purposes in the world. These gifts are not earned or developed over time; rather, they are given by the Holy Spirit according to His sovereign will. Each gift serves a specific function within the body of Christ, contributing to the church's overall health and mission. For instance, the gift of prophecy provides guidance and edification, the gift of healing demonstrates God's power and compassion, and the gift of tongues and their interpretation promote deeper spiritual experiences and communal worship.

 

[Albion]

The interpretation of spiritual gifts, as described in 1 Corinthians 12, emphasizes their ongoing relevance and importance for all believers. These gifts, including prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, healing, and others, are viewed as essential manifestations of the Holy Spirit's power and presence in the church.

By whom?

These gifts were not only present in the early church but are intended for believers in all ages as evidence of the continuing work of the Spirit.

The groups or churches I had in mind insist that these (or at least a couple of them) are to be expected from every believer.

Regarding the assertion that every believer must demonstrate one or more of these gifts to be considered complete, the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life is evidenced by these gifts.

So, are you saying that unless a person, a member of a Christian congregation for example, exhibits some behavior that can be attributed to the reception of one of these gifts, usually tongues, that such a person does not experience the presence of the Holy Spirit? That is what I think your position is, as I have read these posts.

Therefore, while not all believers may operate in every gift listed in 1 Corinthians 12, the expectation is that spiritual gifts will operate as needed according to the Spirit's leading and the needs of the church.

I don't think that any of us on any side of the issue believes that experiencing EVERY ONE of the gifts is to be expected of any believer. However, that isn't really the issue.

 

[Truth Seeker]

The interpretation of spiritual gifts, as described in 1 Corinthians 12, emphasizes their ongoing relevance and importance for all believers. These gifts, including prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, healing, and others, are viewed as essential manifestations of the Holy Spirit's power and presence in the church.

By whom?

The interpretation of spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12 as ongoing and essential for all believers is not a made-up interpretation but is a well-established view within certain Christian traditions, particularly Pentecostal and Charismatic movements. This perspective holds that the gifts of the Spirit, such as prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, and healing, are vital manifestations of the Holy Spirit's power and presence in the church today. Proponents of this view argue that these gifts were not intended to cease with the early church but continue to be relevant and active in the lives of believers. This belief is supported by numerous theologians and leaders within these traditions, who see the gifts as crucial for the edification of the church and the fulfillment of God's work in the present age. While this view is not universally accepted across all Christian denominations, it is firmly rooted in the interpretation of biblical passages and has a significant historical and theological foundation within these movements.

These gifts were not only present in the early church but are intended for believers in all ages as evidence of the continuing work of the Spirit.

All right, but the groups I had in mind insist that these (or at least a couple of them) are to be expected from every believer.

Everyone who is truly baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire, as John the Baptist prophesied, will speak in tongues is a perspective held by many within Pentecostal and Charismatic circles. They often reference passages like Acts 2:4, where the apostles spoke in tongues on the Day of Pentecost, as evidence that speaking in tongues is a sign of being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

However, it's important to note that different Christian traditions interpret these experiences differently. Some groups might emphasize the evidence of speaking in tongues more strongly, while others may see it as one possible manifestation of the Holy Spirit among several. Within certain traditions, it is considered true that speaking in tongues is an expected sign of being baptized with the Holy Ghost and fire, but this view is not universally accepted across all Christian denominations. Not all believe.

Regarding the assertion that every believer must demonstrate one or more of these gifts to be considered complete, the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life is evidenced by these gifts.

So, are you saying that unless a person, a member of a Christian congregation for example, exhibits some behavior that can be attributed to the reception of one of these gifts, that such a person does not experience the presence of the Holy Spirit? That is what I think your position is, as I have read these posts.

In response to your question, let me clarify my position. The presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer’s life is indeed evidenced by the manifestation of spiritual gifts, as described in 1 Corinthians 12. However, it is essential to understand that these gifts are manifestations of the Spirit's work and not necessarily the sole indicators of one's relationship with God. Every believer has the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, but the outward demonstration of gifts such as prophecy, tongues, or healing may vary among individuals. The gifts are meant to edify the church and serve as signs of the Spirit’s presence, but they do not exhaust the full measure of what it means to experience the Holy Spirit. Each believer’s journey with the Spirit is unique, and the absence of particular gifts does not imply the absence of the Holy Spirit. Instead, it is crucial to cultivate a deep, personal relationship with God, allowing the Spirit to work in diverse and powerful ways according to His will.

Also, need to understand the Gift of Tongues mentioned here in 1 Corinthians Chapter 12, are for the edification of the entire Assembly not the speaking in tongues you do privately between you and God.

I don't think that any of us believe that experiencing EVERY one of the gifts is to be expected, but that isn't really the issue.

No not every gift for every person. And not all in operation at the same time. But if Baptized in the Holy Ghost are 9 gifts are available to you all you need to do is ask.

1 Corinthians 14:13, "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret."
1 Corinthians 12:31, "But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."

 

[Albion]

The interpretation of spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12 as ongoing and essential for all believers is not a made-up interpretation but is a well-established view within certain Christian traditions, particularly Pentecostal and Charismatic movements.

Almost exclusively by them, that is. And that's a fairly recent development, as I was pointing out earlier.

This perspective holds that the gifts of the Spirit, such as prophecy, tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, and healing, are vital manifestations of the Holy Spirit's power and presence in the church today. Proponents of this view argue that these gifts were not intended to cease with the early church but continue to be relevant and active in the lives of believers. This belief is supported by numerous theologians and leaders within these traditions,

...within the Pentecostal/Charismatic movements.

who see the gifts as crucial for the edification of the church and the fulfillment of God's work in the present age. While this view is not universally accepted across all Christian denominations, it is firmly rooted in the interpretation of biblical passages and has a significant historical and theological foundation within these movements.

So we are agreed on that, at least.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Almost exclusively by them, that is. And that's a fairly recent development, as I was pointing out earlier.

...within the Pentecostal/Charismatic movements.

When we allow our doubt, belief in cessationism, denominational barriers, or just simply say Not for Me, we limit God. And we ALL know He is limitless.

 

[Truth Seeker]

1 Corinthians 12:8, "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit"

Highlights the diverse ways the Holy Spirit empowers believers for the edification of the church. The "word of wisdom" refers to a supernatural ability given by the Spirit to understand and apply God's will in complex situations, providing guidance that aligns with God's purposes. This wisdom goes beyond human insight, offering divine direction in decision-making and problem-solving. The "word of knowledge," on the other hand, involves a supernatural revelation of facts or truths that could not be known by natural means. This might include insights into God's Word or specific knowledge about circumstances and individuals, granted by the Spirit to meet a particular need. Both gifts demonstrate the Holy Spirit's active role in the church, equipping believers to serve and minister effectively. Emphasizing the importance of relying on the Spirit for wisdom and knowledge, recognizing that these gifts are given to build up the body of Christ and fulfill God's mission in the world. This understanding aligns with the belief in the ongoing work and presence of the Holy Spirit in the life of every believer. That should be happening, sadly so many don't believe.

1 Corinthians 12:9, "To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit"

Underscores the variety and unity of the spiritual gifts bestowed upon believers by the Holy Spirit. The "gift of faith" is understood as a special, supernatural endowment of faith that goes beyond ordinary belief, enabling a believer to trust God for extraordinary things (Like walking on water) and to inspire and strengthen the faith of others. This gift is crucial for the church as it often serves to build up the body of Christ during challenging times and encourages believers to step out in boldness and confidence in God’s promises. Similarly, the "gifts of healing" refer to the supernatural ability to heal physical (Lame, paralyzed, withered hand, raising the dead, etc..), emotional, and spiritual ailments. These gifts are manifestations of God's power and compassion, showing His desire to restore and make whole. Both gifts, distributed by the same Spirit, highlight that it is the Holy Spirit who sovereignly decides how and to whom these gifts are given. They serve as a testament to the diverse ways the Spirit operates within the church, emphasizing that each gift, whether faith or healing, is essential for the edification and unity of the body of Christ. This perspective encourages believers to seek and embrace the fullness of the Spirit’s work, recognizing that these gifts are meant to be active and evident in the life of the church today.

1 Corinthians 12:10, "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:"

Highlights the diverse spiritual gifts bestowed upon believers by the Holy Spirit. These gifts are integral to the life and function of the Church, enabling it to operate effectively and edify its members. The "working of miracles" signifies God's power at work through believers to perform acts that transcend natural laws, affirming His presence and authority. "Prophecy" involves speaking forth God's message, often providing guidance, correction, or encouragement to the Church. "Discerning of spirits" is the ability to distinguish between the influence of the Holy Spirit and other spirits, ensuring that teachings and practices align with God's truth. "Divers kinds of tongues" refer to the supernatural ability to speak in languages unknown to the speaker, which can serve as a sign to unbelievers and facilitate prayer and worship. Finally, "the interpretation of tongues" allows for the understanding and communication of these tongues to the congregation, ensuring that all can benefit from the message being conveyed. Collectively, these gifts function to build up the Church, manifesting the power and presence of God among His people and advancing His work on earth.

1 Corinthians 12:11, "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

Underscores the unity and sovereignty of the Holy Spirit in distributing spiritual gifts among believers. The verse emphasizes that it is the one, selfsame Spirit who operates in all the various manifestations of gifts. This highlights the cohesive and intentional nature of the Spirit's work, as He allocates each gift according to His will and purpose for the edification of the Church. The distribution of gifts is not random but is guided by the Spirit's wisdom to meet the needs of the congregation and advance God's mission. By affirming that the Spirit divides these gifts "severally as He will," the passage underscores both the diversity of gifts and the unified source from which they come, reflecting the Spirit’s sovereign role in empowering and equipping the body of Christ for service and ministry.

 

[Albion]

When we allow our doubt, belief in cessationism, denominational barriers, or just simply say Not for Me, we limit God. And we ALL know He is limitless.

All right. You have your own version of Christian history and you are entitled to hold it. We here represent a variety of Christian churches, and they hold to a range of doctrines on various matters such as the nature of the Lord's Supper, the proper role of pastors, and so on.

Thank goodness that the moderators here on Christianity Haven welcome all to enter into discussions on Christian--and other--topics. That said, what I have done that upsets you is to point out that, while you have your Pentecostal beliefs and want to promote them, they rest upon a mistaken view of Church history and Scripture.

That's what I felt it important to note in my earlier posts, not that you aren't entitled to believe in the perspective and claims that your church (?) holds to.

"Cessationism" is not a denial of Christian history or of Scripture itself. It's what happened. And if we believe that God founded and stays with his church throughout time, that fact cannot be brushed aside. Nor, for that matter, can it be seriously denied that Pentecostalism in its usual form today is of recent vintage.

So we agree on many basic Christian beliefs while we disagree on a few, and we're free to explain those few to whoever is interested in the debate.

Best wishes, and I'm looking forward to reading your posts on many other topics in the days to come!

 

[tango]

When we allow our doubt, belief in cessationism, denominational barriers, or just simply say Not for Me, we limit God. And we ALL know He is limitless.

... and if we're too quick to accept things without testing that they are actually from God we open ourselves to all sorts of unwanted influences.

 

[Truth Seeker]

All right. You have your own version of Christian history and you are entitled to hold it. We here represent a variety of Christian churches, and they hold to a range of doctrines on various matters such as the nature of the Lord's Supper, the proper role of pastors, and so on.

Thank goodness that the moderators here on Christianity Haven welcome all to enter into discussions on Christian--and other--topics. That said, what I have done that upsets you is to point out that, while you have your Pentecostal beliefs and want to promote them, they rest upon a mistaken view of Church history and Scripture.

That's what I felt it important to note in my earlier posts, not that you aren't entitled to believe in the perspective and claims that your church (?) holds to.

"Cessationism" is not a denial of Christian history or of Scripture itself. It's what happened. And if we believe that God founded and stays with his church throughout time, that fact cannot be brushed aside. Nor, for that matter, can it be seriously denied that Pentecostalism in its usual form today is of recent vintage.

So we agree on many basic Christian beliefs while we disagree on a few, and we're free to explain those few to whoever is interested in the debate.

Best wishes, and I'm looking forward to reading your posts on many other topics in the days to come!

Thank you so much for that. I do also believe there are many denominations and theological doctrines out there, which are entitled to believe what they want. My main concern in this is the Bible and what it teaches is absolute truth. Man made doctrines or interpretations not truly led by the Spirit of God is warranted for reevaluation. There is only One Truth Jesus Christ and The Word we don't follow that God help us. You have been a wonderful and very thoughtful Christian friend. Here is a little more on verses cessationists hold to:

(Please never ever think my bold types or colors or yelling or argueing in anyway, They are only there for emphasis to what is trying to be portrayed.)

1 Corinthians 13:8, "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away"

Highlights the enduring nature of godly love. This verse contrasts the eternal and unwavering quality of love with the temporary nature of spiritual gifts like prophecies, tongues, and knowledge. These gifts are essential for edifying the church and spreading the gospel, but they are finite and will serve their intended roles within the church age.

Scripture also recognize that these gifts will continue until the end of the age when "that which is perfect is come" (1 Corinthians 13:10). This phrase is interpreted as referring to the culmination of God's plan and the return of Christ, (not the finished canon of Scripture or end of Apostolic Age) when believers will experience complete understanding and fulfillment in His presence. At that time, prophecies, tongues, and partial knowledge will no longer be needed as they will be surpassed by the perfect knowledge and revelation found in Christ.

In contrast, charity—selfless, sacrificial love modeled after Christ's love—is eternal and foundational to the Christian faith. It persists beyond the temporal expressions of spiritual gifts because it reflects the very nature of God Himself (1 John 4:8). Scripture emphasizes the importance of cultivating this love in all aspects of life, as it transcends the transient nature of gifts and endures throughout eternity. This perspective encourages believers to prioritize love above all else, knowing that it is the enduring mark of a life lived in communion with God and in service to others.

1 Corinthians 13:9, "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part"

Acknowledges the limitations of human understanding and spiritual revelation in relation to the vastness of God's wisdom and knowledge. This verse underscores the belief that while believers receive divine insights and messages through prophetic utterances and spiritual gifts, these revelations are partial and incomplete compared to the fullness of God's truth. This as a reminder of the need for humility and dependency on God's Spirit in interpreting and applying spiritual revelations.

The phrase "we know in part" acknowledges that human knowledge and understanding are finite and subject to our current perspectives and experiences. It emphasizes the ongoing journey of growth and learning in faith, recognizing that our understanding of spiritual truths is progressive and evolving. Similarly, "we prophesy in part" highlights that the prophetic messages received are not exhaustive or complete revelations but are delivered according to God's timing and purpose. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit intended for edification, exhortation, and comfort within the church community (1 Corinthians 14:3).

1 Corinthians 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

Addresses the diversity of spiritual gifts within the body of Christ, emphasizing that not every believer will have the same role or gift. The church is likened to a body, with each member having a distinct function, and all are necessary for the health and growth of the church. This diversity ensures that the church operates effectively, with apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, those with gifts of healing, and others each contributing uniquely to the mission of the church.

It is important to distinguish between the different types of speaking in tongues mentioned in the New Testament. The Bible teaches that speaking in tongues serves different purposes and contexts. First, there is speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is a private and personal experience for every believer baptized in the Holy Ghost. This experience is a sign of the New Birth and is distinct from the spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12.

Second, the passage in 1 Corinthians 12 refers to the specific gift of tongues used in a public worship setting. This gift, meant for the edification of the church, typically occurs during quiet spiritual moments and requires interpretation. Not all believers will possess this particular gift, just as not all are apostles, prophets, or teachers. This public exercise of the gift of tongues, accompanied by interpretation, is different from the personal prayer language experienced by individuals when they receive the Holy Spirit.

In summary, while every believer is encouraged to seek and receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as a personal experience, the specific gift of tongues used in church settings for communal edification and requiring interpretation is given according to God’s sovereign will and purpose. This distinction clarifies the different roles of speaking in tongues within the body of Christ, both for individual spiritual growth and for the edification of the church.

 

[Truth Seeker]

1 Corinthians 12:12, "For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ."

Emphasizes the unity and diversity within the body of Christ, mirroring the human body with its many parts. This passage underscores the belief that while the Church comprises many individual members with diverse functions and gifts, they all form one cohesive body under Christ. Each member is essential and contributes to the overall health and mission of the Church, reflecting the interconnectedness and interdependence of the body. The unity of the body is a result of being baptized into one Spirit, emphasizing the work of the Holy Spirit in bringing believers together. This unity does not negate individual diversity; rather, it celebrates it as each member operates in their unique role, empowered by the Spirit for the common good. The Church is seen as a living, dynamic organism, unified in Christ and energized by the Spirit, working together to fulfill God's purposes on earth.

1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Emphasizes the unity and inclusivity of the body of Christ through the work of the Holy Spirit. This passage underscores that all believers, regardless of their ethnic background ("Jews or Gentiles") or social status ("bond or free"), are baptized into one body by the Holy Spirit. This baptism is not just a symbolic act but a transformative experience that unites believers into a single, cohesive body—the Church—where distinctions of race, class, or status are transcended. Additionally, being made to "drink into one Spirit" signifies the indwelling presence and continual infilling of the Holy Spirit, which sustains and empowers the believer. This shared experience of the Spirit fosters a deep sense of unity and belonging among all members of the Church, highlighting the inclusivity and universal nature of God's salvation plan. In this unity, the diverse gifts of the Spirit work harmoniously, edifying the body and advancing God's Kingdom.

1 Corinthians 12:14, "For the body is not one member, but many."

This verse illustrates that the Church is composed of many members, each with distinct roles, gifts, and functions, all of which are essential for the healthy operation of the body as a whole. Just as a physical body relies on various parts to function properly, the Church relies on the unique contributions of each believer. The Holy Spirit distributes diverse gifts to individuals, ensuring that no single member can fulfill every role or possess every gift. This diversity fosters interdependence, mutual support, and collaboration among believers, reflecting God's design for the Church to work together harmoniously. The emphasis on many members working as one body underscores the necessity of unity in diversity, encouraging believers to value and respect each other's contributions while collectively advancing the mission and purpose of the Church.

1 Corinthians 12:15-21, "If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you."

The eyes symbolize those with vision and insight, often representing leaders or those who provide direction and understanding for the Church. They are the ones who discern God’s will and guide the body toward fulfilling its mission.

The ears represent those who listen and receive, embodying the role of discerners and nurturers within the body. They are attentive to the needs of others and are often engaged in prayer and intercession, hearing the concerns and spiritual needs of the community.

The hands are the servants and workers, taking action to carry out the work of the Kingdom. They represent those who are involved in ministry, outreach, and practical service, actively contributing to the Church’s mission through tangible acts of love and support.

The feet symbolize those who are active in spreading the Gospel and advancing the work of God. They represent the evangelists and missionaries who carry the message of Christ to new places and people, embodying the movement and progress of the Church.

Each part, whether eye, ear, hand, or foot, is vital to the effective functioning of the body of Christ. They each play distinct yet complementary roles, illustrating how diverse gifts and functions within the Church work together to fulfill God’s purpose and to build up the Kingdom.

This rhetorical question (If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?) emphasizes that a body, to function properly, must have various parts with different functions. If every member were exactly the same—if the entire body were just an eye—there would be a crucial lack of other functions, such as hearing and smelling, which are essential for the body’s overall health and effectiveness.

The implication is clear: diversity in the body of Christ is not just desirable but essential. Each member has unique gifts and roles, contributing to the Church’s ability to perceive, respond to, and engage with the world. The "eye" represents vision and insight, the "ear" symbolizes the ability to listen and discern, and the "nose" signifies the capacity to detect and respond to various spiritual and practical needs. The Church needs this diversity to operate fully and effectively, ensuring that every aspect of its mission and ministry is addressed.

Paul’s metaphor underscores the importance of valuing each member’s contribution and recognizing that no single gift or role is sufficient on its own. The collective function of the Church relies on the harmonious interplay of all its parts, each fulfilling its distinct purpose to build up the body and advance God’s work in the world.

 

[Albion]

Thank you so much for that. I do also believe there are many denominations and theological doctrines out there, which are entitled to believe what they want. My main concern in this is the Bible and what it teaches is absolute truth.

Which is what all of us believe and teach.

Man made doctrines or interpretations not truly led by the Spirit of God is warranted for reevaluation.

That's what I think also. I tried to suggest as much here.

There is only One Truth Jesus Christ and The Word we don't follow that God help us. You have been a wonderful and very thoughtful Christian friend. Here is a little more on verses cessationists hold to:

1 Corinthians 13:8, "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away"

Highlights the enduring nature of godly love. This verse contrasts the eternal and unwavering quality of love with the temporary nature of spiritual gifts like prophecies, tongues, and knowledge.

Maybe we're getting somewhere now. We all believe that God's love endures. And when you acknowledge that the spiritual gifts were not--and were not intended by God to be--a dominant feature of Church life for all of time, we're acknowledging that the usual position taken by most Pentecostals is mistaken. That's the main point I thought needed to be made when you referred to "cessationism" as if it were wrong.

In order that there not be any mistake about that, and leaving the term aside so that the discussion isn't pre-judged, the gifts were a prominent feature of the early church but once the faith had established itself in the old Roman world and the need for such remarkable evidence of the credibility of our religion, they gradually faded away and were present only occasionally.

History clearly shows that this is the case, so it's not a demonstration of faith and fidelity to Christ for any believer to claim the opposite, that unless this or that church adopts the revisionist theory you've described, such a church and its people are unscriptural or not trusting of God or not accepting of the Holy Bible, etc. etc. etc.

These gifts are essential for edifying the church and spreading the gospel,

Obviously not, since Christianity became the dominant faith of the whole world without Pentecostalism.

Perhaps there is some misunderstanding on one aspect of the matter. The Christian majority does not deny that these gifts are given from time to time throughout history, but that the movement which arose several centuries ago and insisted that every true Christian will demonstrate that he's received one or more of them is in error. And that movement created a word ("cessationist") to denigrate any believer who stands in the line of traditional Christianity.

Addresses the diversity of spiritual gifts within the body of Christ, emphasizing that not every believer will have the same role or gift. The church is likened to a body, with each member having a distinct function, and all are necessary for the health and growth of the church. This diversity ensures that the church operates effectively, with apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, those with gifts of healing, and others each contributing uniquely to the mission of the church.

That's not relevant to the discussion at hand.

It is important to distinguish between the different types of speaking in tongues mentioned in the New Testament. The Bible teaches that speaking in tongues serves different purposes and contexts. First, there is speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is a private and personal experience for every believer baptized in the Holy Ghost. This experience is a sign of the New Birth and is distinct from the spiritual gifts described in 1 Corinthians 12.

Nor is that.

In summary, while every believer is encouraged to seek and receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as a personal experience, the specific gift of tongues used in church settings for communal edification and requiring interpretation is given according to God’s sovereign will and purpose.

I take from that explanation that every true believer is expected to experience the receiving of at least one of the gifts, if not all of them. If so, I have correctly described the view of Pentecostal Christians.

 

[Truth Seeker]

That's the main point I thought needed to be made when you referred to "cessationism" as if it were wrong.

I was going by this definition: Cessationism is the belief that certain spiritual gifts, such as prophecy, healing, and speaking in tongues, stopped being given by God to the church sometime in the first century AD or gradually over the next few centuries. Which I don't ascribe to. We see this Gifts still in operation among Churches today. Clearly seen on their respective Church pages. Each of us are given a measure of Faith to either believe in them or not, the choice is ours. Freewill in all. LOL

In order that there not be any mistake about that, and leaving the term aside so that the discussion isn't pre-judged, the gifts were a prominent feature of the early church but once the faith had established itself in the old Roman world and the need for such remarkable evidence of the credibility of our religion, they gradually faded away and were present only occasionally.

In reflecting on the role of spiritual gifts in the early church and their perceived decline, it's important to consider the broader context of God's ongoing revelation and the state of faith throughout history. The early church experienced a vibrant manifestation of spiritual gifts as a means of confirming the message of Christ and establishing the credibility of the new faith amidst a skeptical world. These gifts, such as speaking in tongues, prophecy, and healing, were indeed prominent and played a crucial role in the church's growth and witness, as seen in Acts 2:4 and 1 Corinthians 12:8-10.

However, as the church became more established within the Roman world and as Christianity began to integrate into the broader society, there were periods where the visibility of these gifts seemed to diminish. This shift may have been influenced by a variety of factors, including the fading of the intense need for miraculous signs to validate the faith as it became more widely accepted.

Scripture acknowledges that there would be times when the revelation of God's word and the operation of spiritual gifts might not be as apparent. Amos 8:11 speaks of a "famine of hearing the words of the Lord," indicating periods when spiritual understanding and prophetic activity can diminish. This can be attributed to shifts in the faithfulness of God's people and their openness to His gifts.

The operation of spiritual gifts often correlates with the faith and expectation of the believers. As Hebrews 11:6 reminds us, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." If believers do not expect or believe in the operation of spiritual gifts, it is less likely that they will experience them. God's gifts are not given arbitrarily but are often a response to the faith and openness of His people. In a time of diminished belief or expectation, the gifts may not be as prevalent, yet they remain a part of the Spirit's work as described in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11, where the Spirit distributes gifts according to His will.

While the prominence of spiritual gifts may have varied throughout history, they are still a vital part of the life of the church. Believers are encouraged to remain open to the Spirit’s work, actively seeking and exercising these gifts in faith, so that they continue to be a living reality in the body of Christ.

History clearly shows that this is the case, so it's not a demonstration of faith and fidelity to Christ for any believer to claim the opposite, that unless this or that church adopts the revisionist theory you've described, such a church and its people are unscriptural or not trusting of God or not accepting of the Holy Bible, etc. etc. etc.

The diversity of belief about the continuation of these gifts does not necessarily indicate a lack of trust in God or a departure from scriptural fidelity. Each church and believer may come to their understanding through prayer, study, and reflection on God’s Word. Therefore, while differing views on spiritual gifts exist, it is essential to engage in these discussions with respect, seeking unity in essential doctrines while allowing for differences in practice and interpretation.

Obviously not, since Christianity became the dominant faith of the whole world without Pentecostalism.
Perhaps there is some misunderstanding on one aspect of the matter. The Christian majority does not deny that these gifts are given from time to time throughout history, but that the movement which arose several centuries ago and insisted that every true Christian will demonstrate that he's received one or more of them is in error. And they created a word ("cessationist") to denigrate any believer who stands in the line of traditional Christianity.

Pentecostalism, indeed, has a distinct emphasis on the experience of spiritual gifts such as speaking in tongues, healing, and prophecy, rooted in a belief that these gifts are not only historical but also relevant and active in the present-day church. This perspective is deeply grounded in Scripture, with passages like Acts 2:4 and 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 supporting the ongoing operation of these gifts as a vital part of the Christian experience.

However, it's also true that throughout Christian history, various traditions have understood and practiced these gifts differently. The rise of Pentecostalism in the early 20th century introduced a renewed focus on these gifts, leading to debates within the broader Christian community. Many traditional Christian groups acknowledge that spiritual gifts may occur from time to time but differ on their necessity for every believer.

In our discussions, we should strive for unity and mutual respect, recognizing that sincere believers can hold differing views on the operation of spiritual gifts while sharing a common faith in Christ. Emphasizing our shared commitment to Scripture and the core tenets of Christianity allows us to honor each other's perspectives and focus on what truly binds us together as the body of Christ.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Which is what all of us believe and teach.

That is why I sometimes post this:

Noone on Earth brings new revelation, that isn't already revealed through the Word of God (Jesus Christ), which is fullest revelation given to man. Through the moving and operation of the Holy Ghost, I Pray what we say here (with Scriptural backing) brings the truth of these Revelations, truth by truth, or precept upon precept, to the heart of the hearer. Lay what we say before the feet of Jesus (Word of God) and compare, the Bible is Always truth, so if they don't match, we need to reevaluate our stance. What we say or do here will have lasting impact upon the believer and sinner alike. We most certainly have freedom of speech, but any true christian will weigh what they say against the Word of God and if they don't agree God is not in error, and we need to pray for understanding. Those that have more meat of the Word can help those who are struggling, if done with humility, peace and love. I don't mind a peaceful debate, but when we start to argue amongst each other that is not the Spirit of God. God Bless and Peace to you all. (This signature is in general and not pointing fingers at anyone at anytime. God Bless.)

 

[Albion]

I was going by this definition: Cessationism is the belief that certain spiritual gifts, such as prophecy, healing, and speaking in tongues, stopped being given by God to the church sometime in the first century AD or gradually over the next few centuries.

Hmm. I don't know very many people who would agree with that theory, regardless of denomination.

There are records of certain people over the many centuries of the Medieval and Modern periods of history who were recipients of one or another of the gifts. So, to refer to any Christian who knows that the gifts became infrequent after the days of the Early Church by a term like "Cessationist" is incorrect. Yet Pentecostal Christians of my acquaintance always use this word on the people who attend other Christian churches.

We see this Gifts still in operation among Churches today.

Of course. There are some such people who belong to one or another of the historic church bodies, but mostly you are referring to the people who instead belong to the avowedly Pentecostal church bodies.

And why wouldn't we find members of the Pentecostal churches doing what their ministers tell them to do?? Especially after not "speaking in tongues" is presented as proof that any such person isn't a complete Christian.

In our discussions, we should strive for unity and mutual respect, recognizing that sincere believers can hold differing views on the operation of spiritual gifts while sharing a common faith in Christ. Emphasizing our shared commitment to Scripture and the core tenets of Christianity allows us to honor each other's perspectives and focus on what truly binds us together as the body of Christ.

I agree. You started us off with the Charismatic POV of Scripture and Christian history, and I simply sought to balance the scales by pointing to the beliefs and practices of mainline Christians who belong to the churches which hold to the historic doctrines and practices of the Christian religion.

 

[tango]

1 Corinthians 12:29-30, "Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"

Addresses the diversity of spiritual gifts within the body of Christ, emphasizing that not every believer will have the same role or gift. The church is likened to a body, with each member having a distinct function, and all are necessary for the health and growth of the church. This diversity ensures that the church operates effectively, with apostles, prophets, teachers, miracle workers, those with gifts of healing, and others each contributing uniquely to the mission of the church.

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In summary, while every believer is encouraged to seek and receive the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as a personal experience...

So not all speak in tongues, but we should all speak in tongues. What's wrong with this picture?