Oh you people working so hard for salvation

[Alithis]

I wonder what will happen at the end to people who think they can follow Christ's teachings without Him living on the inside of them.

we cant folow his teachings without his spirit in us .. it is his spirit were listen to and obey .. and i know he never instructs us to sin.. not ever ,he can't .

this is why John says .. those who are in Christ cannot continue to sin.. because we cannot sin when we are obeying christ and we cannot obey christ when we are continuing to sin.

this is also why he states "this is how we know which are truly disciples and which are not .. those that continue to sin.. are not - not until they repent and cease from it and do righteously according as the holy Spirit instructs them .

 

[Lamb]

I'm sure if we all spent 5 minutes with you, we'd be able to point out some of your sins. You're only perfect because you're covered in Christ's blood but you still are in that sinful body and you do wrong things. We all do which is why we all need the Savior.

 

[visionary]

we cant folow his teachings without his spirit in us .. it is his spirit were listen to and obey .. and i know he never instructs us to sin.. not ever ,he can't .

this is why John says .. those who are in Christ cannot continue to sin.. because we cannot sin when we are obeying christ and we cannot obey christ when we are continuing to sin.

this is also why he states "this is how we know which are truly disciples and which are not .. those that continue to sin.. are not - not until they repent and cease from it and do righteously according as the holy Spirit instructs them .

That is why it has taken 2000 years to understand this concept. ... God does believe we will be able to walk in Him without sin. That we will overcome all sin that besets us. That there will be a peculiar people full of good works, who are saints, that keep the commandments of God and have the faith in Yeshua. I believe He is right, there will be those who are without guile in the end, just to prove to world it can be done. Satan has been declaring from the beginning that it is impossible to keep the commandments of God, because they are too strict, too hard, not possible, etc etc....and that is not true.

 

[Lamb]

God came to earth to live the perfect life we couldn't. That is why he had to die in our place.

 

[Brighten04]

God came to earth to live the perfect life we couldn't. That is why he had to die in our place.

Amen! People need to study the book of Galatians. They need to understand that you do not mix law and gospel. You know, in Apostle Paul's writings, he called every other group holy and righteous except them.

 

[psalms 91]

Amen! People need to study the book of Galatians. They need to understand that you do not mix law and gospel. You know, in Apostle Paul's writings, he called every other group holy and righteous except them.

Paul also talked of sin in Romans and gave the answer, Jesus but he did not say that he did not sin in fact just the opposite

 

[pinacled]

Amen! People need to study the book of Galatians. They need to understand that you do not mix law and gospel. You know, in Apostle Paul's writings, he called every other group holy and righteous except them.

Paul is very difficult to understand at times.

Verse 16 can be taken as plain or direct and in context to. We who are Jews of the Israel of G-d.
And Romans is Meat that personally took some time to chew.

Being Reborn, We who are Jews of the Israel of G-d.15“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles.

16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[SUP]d[/SUP] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.


17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!

18If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
What has been destroyed?
That a person is not justified by the works of the Law. But we will show our Faith in our Works. And boast in Christ. Not in ourselves.


19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.
20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[SUP]e[/SUP]

 

[psalms 91]

Paul is very difficult to understand at times.

Verse 16 can be taken as plain or direct and in context to. We who are Jews of the Israel of G-d.
And Romans is Meat that personally took some time to chew.

Being Reborn, We who are Jews of the Israel of G-d.15“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles.

16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[SUP]d[/SUP] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.


17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!

18If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
What has been destroyed?
That a person is not justified by the works of the Law. But we will show our Faith in our Works. And boast in Christ. Not in ourselves.


19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.
20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”[SUP]e[/SUP]

How about Romans Chapter 6?

 

[Alithis]

The point of this thread is that we do not work for our salvation. Any obeying is not for salvation. Don't you see?

no i don't see .. what i see is that your opinion here and the scriptures disagree


"For it is time for judgment to begin, starting with the house of God. And if it starts with us, what will be the fate of those who are disobedient to the gospel of God?"

if we do not obey the message of good news that God has sent us .. then we remain disobedient and at enmity to god ..

 

[Alithis]

How about Romans Chapter 6?

yes ..even better .. how about the whole letter in context .. why people stop and start at the chapters and verses i do not know ..paul did not write in chapters and verses were only added approx' 500 years ago for reference .. not for topical breaks

 

[Alithis]

The Saviour gives us strength and will help us out of temptation but it is still our choice whether to yield to it or not.

yes -Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall. No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it... so if as it is written God is faithful to not let us be tested beyond our ability to withstand .. but always make a way of escape ..then we cannot attribute sin to either the tempter ..nor to god who is faithful .which leaves only our own decision .no one and nothing can compel us to sin once the lord jesus has set us free .. NOT sinning is not "works " and "works always spoke of matters of the outer body and effort .. never matters of the heart . when some star referring to maters of the heart as "works" they have gone off the rails .

and as James so plainly points out .. "a man is tempted when he is lead away by the lust if his OWN heart . you see we will always do what we want to do the most ,we will always serve what we love the most ...
it is why the lord jesu said ..if you love me you will do what i tell you to do (keep my commands )

so we can say with our mouths oh im saved jesus saved me until our face turns blue .. but if we continue ,by our own choice to sin.. then our actions deny our mouths and our fruits make evident our falsehood.
the long and short of it is "for example " if you claim to be a disciple of the lord jesus ..but you keep looking at porn (which is adultery) and you refuse to repent of it -which in jesus you CAN do because he came to set you free and desires that you be free from sin which results in death ..then your unrepentance will work death in you . salvation begins with repentance from sin .. and with God nothing is impossible - if you believe .

 

[Alithis]

But Bill we will always be sinners, it's our nature. No one has reached perfection as a human being that are very flawed.

this has no scriptural backing and contradicts everything the lord Jesus came to accomplish and is not spoken by the Spirit of God nor by a one born of the Spirit of God

Very true, we all sin daily and it only by Christ that we can be saved or have a righteousness at all but Jesus Himself laid out what we are to attain to and if we are truly saved we will try even though we fall short

i will challenge this Bill . Not to say people dont sin but to say rather that just because we have the ability to sin.. why would we when we have been set free .. as iv said before ,, NOT sinning is not a "work" obedience is not a work to achieve something ,,it is evidence of true belief true faith and true love . Jesus said ..if you love me you will do as i say (do my command) . so ,having been set free from sin it has no power over us .. and if it has no power then nothing can compel us to sin but our own decision to do so .thus we must be twice rebellious to sin after being set free . the very fact that some who profess to be disciples ..then go and sin dailey .John sys is evidence that they do not know God . - not my words ,its scripture .

Hallelujah someone gets it!!
YES, we sin and the Gospel tells us that we are covered by Christ's righteousness and those sins are washed away in our baptisms. We sin daily and we rely on Jesus's death and the forgiveness he won so we are covered by his blood and God now sees us in the same way that he sees Jesus.
The Law is saying we sin (and we do) and the Gospel is saying we are free from that covered only be Christ.

and again this sentence is self contradictory - and incorrect . the contradiction you present is that we are free ..and then you say but we continue in sin.. -so which is it . are we free ..or are we bound to sin -,make up your mind .

the law proved we sin.. the gospel commands us to repent of it ..if we do not obey the gospel then we remain in sin .
the blood of christ covers us from all our sin .. not from all our sinning . because the word states .if we continue in sin we do not know God .Jesus came to set us free from sin. he washes away all record of it and sets us free from its power and effect .if we then use that freedom to go back and keep sinning we can only do so because we love it more then we love God .so repent of doing so as God had so commnaded

 

[Josiah]

this has no scriptural backing

"For ALL have sinned and far short...."
"There is NO ONE who is righteous, no not even one."

Please list for us (by full name, please) all those among us who are PERFECT as God is, HOLY as God is...and thus make these (and MANY other) Scriptures lies.

contradicts everything the lord Jesus came to accomplish

You are mixing Law and Gospel, confusing justification and sanctification.




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[TurtleHare]

"For ALL have sinned and far short...."
"There is NO ONE who is righteous, no not even one."

Please list for us (by full name, please) all those among us who are PERFECT as God is, HOLY as God is...and thus make these (and MANY other) Scriptures lies.





You are mixing Law and Gospel, confusing justification and sanctification.




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Now here is a man who knows the scriptures and doesn't twist things. Thanks be to God!

 

[Alithis]

Now here is a man who knows the scriptures and doesn't twist things. Thanks be to God!

could you state where any one else has twisted things ? please point it out in clear unambiguous scripture .. rather then hiding behind weak indirect innuendo .
-he (and you by association) have stated we don't need obedience to be saved only the gospel.. but the gospel itself is a message which must be obeyed .. so if his words disagree with the scripture .. something has twisted ..and i assure you ..it is not the scripture . obedience of the heart is not works . works are efforts exerted on the outside of the body to achieve something . sin begins i the heart ,repentance from sin begins in the heart -God looks first on the heart - it is not works to repent of sin as commanded by god and it is not works to remain repentant and not return to sin.

 

[pinacled]

How about Romans Chapter 6?

Love it.
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[visionary]

Love it.
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Good thing Noah and his family were obedient to the gospel message, built the ark, in obedience, and entered into the ark in faith and obedience, thus receiving God's grace and mercy for them and the animals.

 

[pinacled]

Good thing Noah and his family were obedient to the gospel message, built the ark, in obedience, and entered into the ark in faith and obedience, thus receiving God's grace and mercy for them and the animals.

Hallelujah

 

[TurtleHare]

Good thing Noah and his family were obedient to the gospel message, built the ark, in obedience, and entered into the ark in faith and obedience, thus receiving God's grace and mercy for them and the animals.

God's grace wasn't upon them because of obedience. That's backwards!! Hebrews 11 states "by faith" to start with which shows that God's grace was already upon them with the plan for their salvation. God is the one who guided them so it's not their obedience that was the cause of salvation. They trusted God to save them and HE did. Giving credit to mankind is looking at scripture by avoiding the one who deserves all the credit and that's God.

 

[Lamb]

I like to think about Jonah and how, no matter what, God worked and worked to guide him into doing what God's will was. That's how it is for all of us and is why we should never look at our "obedience", but to God and His glory.