Resurrection in the book of Matthew

[NewCreation435]

I was looking at Matthew 28 and I haven't ever thought of this before, but I wondered to myself why Matthew was so brief in telling the story of the resurrection?
There are only 20 verses in Matthew and about the same in Mark, but Luke and John add things to the story that the other two don't tell. I was wondering why Matthew would be so brief when talking about one of the single most important events in history?

I also wondered at why there are no personal stories that Matthew tells of his encounter with Jesus. It almost feels like a third person account rather than from one of the 12 disciples especially since 90% of Mark is in Matthew. I know if I spent three years walking around Judea and Galilee with Jesus I would want to tell more personal stories about my interactions with Jesus

 

[Lamb]

The writers had their own voices, but were still guided by the Holy Spirit.

Could his being a tax collector have something to do with the way he wrote some of it? I don't know, just asking?

 

[Lees]

I was looking at Matthew 28 and I haven't ever thought of this before, but I wondered to myself why Matthew was so brief in telling the story of the resurrection?
There are only 20 verses in Matthew and about the same in Mark, but Luke and John add things to the story that the other two don't tell. I was wondering why Matthew would be so brief when talking about one of the single most important events in history?

I also wondered at why there are no personal stories that Matthew tells of his encounter with Jesus. It almost feels like a third person account rather than from one of the 12 disciples especially since 90% of Mark is in Matthew. I know if I spent three years walking around Judea and Galilee with Jesus I would want to tell more personal stories about my interactions with Jesus

Remember, as Lamb indicated, the Holy Ghost is the Author.

Remember, or learn, none of the Gospels are a 'history' of Jesus Christ on earth. Such a writing doesn't exist. They are not written to be a complete history, or to be in chronological order. The Holy Ghost presented 4 writings, each with a distinct purpose, concerning Jesus Christ. And the Holy Ghost selected certain events in Christ's life to make His point in each Book.

Learn the theme or purpose of each book and that helps in understanding each book, and then understanding the Bible.

(John 21:25) "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

The writers had their own voices, but were still guided by the Holy Spirit.

Could his being a tax collector have something to do with the way he wrote some of it? I don't know, just asking?

When I looked it up online it said that originally Matthew was written anonymously and the name Matthew was added in the 2nd century. That might explain why personalized stories are missing.

Who Wrote the Gospel of Matthew - Scholarly Discoveries

Who Wrote the Gospel of Matthew? The authorship of the Gospel of Matthew is a mystery. Let's take a look at what scholars have discovered.

www.bartehrman.com

 

[Lees]

When I looked it up online it said that originally Matthew was written anonymously and the name Matthew was added in the 2nd century. That might explain why personalized stories are missing.

Who Wrote the Gospel of Matthew - Scholarly Discoveries

Who Wrote the Gospel of Matthew? The authorship of the Gospel of Matthew is a mystery. Let's take a look at what scholars have discovered.

www.bartehrman.com

Oh gee...you looked it up on line. And you found your answer. So, why ask the question here? You had access to online already.

You don't consider the advice Lamb gave. Yet you want to consider some 'online' opinion.

Why don't you spit out what you're really trying to say?

You're disputing the authorship of Matthew to the Gospel of Matthew. Which is fine if you want to discuss it. Do you? Or are you going to hide behind your internet knowledge and just plead ignorance?

Strange how people want to put forth an opinion or doctrine and yet don't want to be responsible for it. Keeps them 'safe'. Keeps cowards safe.

Lees

 

[Lamb]

Oh gee...you looked it up on line. And you found your answer. So, why ask the question here? You had access to online already.

You don't consider the advice Lamb gave. Yet you want to consider some 'online' opinion.

Why don't you spit out what you're really trying to say?

You're disputing the authorship of Matthew to the Gospel of Matthew. Which is fine if you want to discuss it. Do you? Or are you going to hide behind your internet knowledge and just plead ignorance?

Strange how people want to put forth an opinion or doctrine and yet don't want to be responsible for it. Keeps them 'safe'. Keeps cowards safe.

Lees

He's just trying to figure things out like the rest of us. You should cut him some slack. Your response was really rude.

 

[Lees]

He's just trying to figure things out like the rest of us. You should cut him some slack. Your response was really rude.

My apologies...but the article he uses is a liberal one that only tries to cast doubt on the authenticity of the Bible.

The article, written by Joshua Schachterle P.hD. at the beginning states obvious errors.

1.) He said Matthew was only named in the gospel of (Matthew). (9:9) This is not true. Matthew in the other Gospels is mentioned. See (Mark 3:18) (Luke 6:15). Also by by the name Levi. (Mark 2:14) (Luke 5:27-29)

2.) He gives a late date to the writing of (Matthew), which is what liberal 'scholars' always do. He bases it on the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. And the verses he uses come from 'parables'. (Matt. 21:41, 22:7, 22:4, 23:38) Some of these have nothing to do with the Temple. Those that may have reference to the Temple are prophetic. It in no way means the writer of (Matthew) wrote after 70 A.D.

These are just the beginning of his 'mistakes'.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Without having gone through the whole article, but I will, I can bet that the author, 'Schachterle' is holding to what is known as the 'Q Theory' or the 'Document Theory'. This contributes later to what is called 'The Form Critical Theory'.

The end result of these is the denial of much of what is written in the Gospels. They just become myths. But to the liberal they are of value because we can all learn to be good people from them. Nauseating.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Also, the writer of the article presented in post #(4) is associated with Bart Ehrman. Ehrman is one of those 'New Testament scholars' who by his own testimony on his blog is not a Christian.

His purpose, as with all the liberal christian scholarly writers, is to cast doubt upon the Bible as the Word of God.

Why would any Christian want to use him as a reference?

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

Oh gee...you looked it up on line. And you found your answer. So, why ask the question here? You had access to online already.

You don't consider the advice Lamb gave. Yet you want to consider some 'online' opinion.

Why don't you spit out what you're really trying to say?

You're disputing the authorship of Matthew to the Gospel of Matthew. Which is fine if you want to discuss it. Do you? Or are you going to hide behind your internet knowledge and just plead ignorance?

Strange how people want to put forth an opinion or doctrine and yet don't want to be responsible for it. Keeps them 'safe'. Keeps cowards safe.

Lees

I wonder do you talk to people as disrespectfully in person as you do online? You are not being a very good example of loving others then.

As you and Lamb have said repeatedly throughout this thread the Holy Spirit is the author of Matthew. He uses people to do it but ultimately he is the author. I have reason to believe that the Matthew the gospel is called by might not be the apostle we know of as a tax gatherer and disciples of Jesus. I heard one man say online that while God inspired people to write scripture he didn't fax it down to us. He used imperfect people. Since the original and oldest manuscripts don't have Matthews name. Historical documents by others or early church fathers don't hold much weight with me as they were for the most part not alive when the disciples were anyway. I don't doubt the authorship of the Holy Spirt and whomever he chose to use.
I'm putting you on ignore after this and won't respond to you again since you are being repeatedly rude. I don't know why you haven't been banned yet. Lamb has more mercy than I would I guess.

 

[Soulx3]

I was looking at Matthew 28 and I haven't ever thought of this before, but I wondered to myself why Matthew was so brief in telling the story of the resurrection? There are only 20 verses in Matthew and about the same in Mark, but Luke and John add things to the story that the other two don't tell. I was wondering why Matthew would be so brief when talking about one of the single most important events in history?

I also wondered at why there are no personal stories that Matthew tells of his encounter with Jesus. It almost feels like a third person account rather than from one of the 12 disciples especially since 90% of Mark is in Matthew. I know if I spent three years walking around Judea and Galilee with Jesus I would want to tell more personal stories about my interactions with Jesus

You're right, there's obviously more to know regarding events in Scripture, including that of the Resurrection, but what is found in Scripture is essential for believing and saving oneself. This doesn't mean details of events in Jesus's life not found in Scripture can't be known, nor found elsewhere, here on Earth. In fact, Maria Valtorta was someone I have many reasons to believe was a spokesperson for Jesus, and through Her He gave a more detailed look into His life on earth, and according to Maria, the following is one of the dictations she received by Him:

"The order of the Gospels is good, but not perfect as a chronological order. A diligent observer notices that. He who could have given the exact order of events, having been with Me from the beginning of the Evangelization to My Ascension, did not do so, because John, a true son of the Light, devoted himself to and worried about making the Light shine brightly through its appearance of a Body in the eyes of the heretics, who contested the truth of the Divinity enclosed in a human body. John's sublime Gospel achieved its supernatural purpose, but the chronology of My public life has not been improved by it. The other three evangelists show resemblances to one another with regard to events, but they alter their order with regard to time, because only one of the three was present at almost all My public life: Matthew, and he wrote it only fifteen years later, whilst the others wrote theirs even later, after hearing the story from My Mother, from Peter, from other apostles and disciples. I want to give you a guide to collect together the events of the three years, year by year." (September 23rd, 1944, The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)

See my thread.

 

[Lamb]

You're right, there's obviously more to know regarding events in Scripture, including that of the Resurrection, but what is found in Scripture is essential for believing and saving oneself. This doesn't mean details of events in Jesus's life not found in Scripture can't be known, nor found elsewhere, here on Earth. In fact, Maria Valtorta was someone I have many reasons to believe was a spokesperson for Jesus, and through Her He gave a more detailed look into His life on earth, and according to Maria, the following is one of the dictations she received by Him:

"The order of the Gospels is good, but not perfect as a chronological order. A diligent observer notices that. He who could have given the exact order of events, having been with Me from the beginning of the Evangelization to My Ascension, did not do so, because John, a true son of the Light, devoted himself to and worried about making the Light shine brightly through its appearance of a Body in the eyes of the heretics, who contested the truth of the Divinity enclosed in a human body. John's sublime Gospel achieved its supernatural purpose, but the chronology of My public life has not been improved by it. The other three evangelists show resemblances to one another with regard to events, but they alter their order with regard to time, because only one of the three was present at almost all My public life: Matthew, and he wrote it only fifteen years later, whilst the others wrote theirs even later, after hearing the story from My Mother, from Peter, from other apostles and disciples. I want to give you a guide to collect together the events of the three years, year by year." (September 23rd, 1944, The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)

See my thread.

You're trying to state something here in the Bible Study thread that is NOT fact. There is no proof that Jesus actually spoke to Maria, and most of your threads try to push that and I don't find it edifying here for our members since it's not scripture.

 

[Castle Church]

You're right, there's obviously more to know regarding events in Scripture, including that of the Resurrection, but what is found in Scripture is essential for believing and saving oneself. This doesn't mean details of events in Jesus's life not found in Scripture can't be known, nor found elsewhere, here on Earth. In fact, Maria Valtorta was someone I have many reasons to believe was a spokesperson for Jesus, and through Her He gave a more detailed look into His life on earth, and according to Maria, the following is one of the dictations she received by Him:

"The order of the Gospels is good, but not perfect as a chronological order. A diligent observer notices that. He who could have given the exact order of events, having been with Me from the beginning of the Evangelization to My Ascension, did not do so, because John, a true son of the Light, devoted himself to and worried about making the Light shine brightly through its appearance of a Body in the eyes of the heretics, who contested the truth of the Divinity enclosed in a human body. John's sublime Gospel achieved its supernatural purpose, but the chronology of My public life has not been improved by it. The other three evangelists show resemblances to one another with regard to events, but they alter their order with regard to time, because only one of the three was present at almost all My public life: Matthew, and he wrote it only fifteen years later, whilst the others wrote theirs even later, after hearing the story from My Mother, from Peter, from other apostles and disciples. I want to give you a guide to collect together the events of the three years, year by year." (September 23rd, 1944, The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)

See my thread.

This is the Bible Study forum, since this text is not from the Bible it is not relevant to the discussion at hand. Just as texts written by Ellen G White would not be applicable either.

 

[Origen]

This is the Bible Study forum, since this text is not from the Bible it is not relevant to the discussion at hand. Just as texts written by Ellen G White would not be applicable either.

I could not agree more.

 

[Soulx3]

You're trying to state something here in the Bible Study thread that is NOT fact. There is no proof that Jesus actually spoke to Maria, and most of your threads try to push that and I don't find it edifying here for our members since it's not scripture.

I'm sharing what I believe about Maria Valtorta, just as you are. Others who learn about her are free to decide what to believe about her as we are.

 

[Soulx3]

This is the Bible Study forum, since this text is not from the Bible it is not relevant to the discussion at hand. Just as texts written by Ellen G White would not be applicable either.

Jesus, through His spokesperson Maria Valtorta, expands on His own four Gospels, and whether or not you believe that as well, it's nothing like anything written by Ellen G. White.

 

[NewCreation435]

You're right, there's obviously more to know regarding events in Scripture, including that of the Resurrection, but what is found in Scripture is essential for believing and saving oneself. This doesn't mean details of events in Jesus's life not found in Scripture can't be known, nor found elsewhere, here on Earth. In fact, Maria Valtorta was someone I have many reasons to believe was a spokesperson for Jesus, and through Her He gave a more detailed look into His life on earth, and according to Maria, the following is one of the dictations she received by Him:

"The order of the Gospels is good, but not perfect as a chronological order. A diligent observer notices that. He who could have given the exact order of events, having been with Me from the beginning of the Evangelization to My Ascension, did not do so, because John, a true son of the Light, devoted himself to and worried about making the Light shine brightly through its appearance of a Body in the eyes of the heretics, who contested the truth of the Divinity enclosed in a human body. John's sublime Gospel achieved its supernatural purpose, but the chronology of My public life has not been improved by it. The other three evangelists show resemblances to one another with regard to events, but they alter their order with regard to time, because only one of the three was present at almost all My public life: Matthew, and he wrote it only fifteen years later, whilst the others wrote theirs even later, after hearing the story from My Mother, from Peter, from other apostles and disciples. I want to give you a guide to collect together the events of the three years, year by year." (September 23rd, 1944, The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)

See my thread.

I wonder what this Maria person was smoking when she wrote all this?

 

[Soulx3]

I wonder what this Maria person was smoking when she wrote all this?

Chapters 612 to 634 in The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God, are an extensive expansion of events beginning with Jesus's Resurrection through Jesus's Ascension by Jesus. Do with it what you will.

 

[Albion]

I wonder what this Maria person was smoking when she wrote all this?

I know what you mean, but she actually was brain damaged from a beating received as a young woman, and as a result of that was confined to her bed for much of the rest of her life.

 

[Lamb]

Jesus, through His spokesperson Maria Valtorta, expands on His own four Gospels, and whether or not you believe that as well, it's nothing like anything written by Ellen G. White.

But it's not canon. In the Bible Study forum, we expect to study canonized scripture.