Should Biden be the Democrat Nominee or Step Down?

[tango]

How many of those people, I wonder, are also saying--in effect--that they'll be equally happy with the policies and appointments of Biden and his handlers...or with Trump and his policies and appointments?

There's little doubt that, when we consider two men who have each been in the presidential office for four years, the winner's policies will, by and large, be resumed come inauguration day 2025.

I think this is a key point. However unappealing the two candidates are in all probability one of them will be president come January and declining to vote effectively denies oneself the opportunity to decide which one. Unless someone is truly equally satisfied with the prospect of either it makes little sense to not vote for one of them, even if that means choosing someone dismal over someone apocalyptically bad.

 

[Josiah]

Sometime I'd like to hear what a voter who doesn't care for either candidate intends to do in November.

I've never voted for Trump - and I won't this time.

And I've never voted for any candidate who is pro-abortion (that's a "deal breaker") so, well... Biden has done a "180" on that and is now pro-abortion.

Once again, I'll not vote the top of the ticket.

It won't matter, of course. California is a "winner takes all" state, all the electoral votes go to the one who wins (even if it's not a majority). Any Democrat would win in California, even if it was the devil himself... so, voting for a Republican as President is just throwing your vote away, it means nothing in this state. Of course, for other offices, it does


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[Albion]

Once again, I'll not vote the top of the ticket.

It won't matter, of course. California is a "winner takes all" state, all the electoral votes go to the one who wins (even if it's not a majority). Any Democrat would win in California, even if it was the devil himself... so, voting for a Republican as President is just throwing your vote away, it means nothing in this state.
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Now, that's a valid point that I had not dealt with.

It can matter in some states, but not in yours and some others. The Electoral College is where it counts, and which candidate will get those votes decides the outcome. If the popular vote in any state is certain to go to Candidate X, then voting for the other contender is mainly personal and symbolic.

 

[Albion]

How about this slant on the subject--

Does Trump's choice of VP make any difference? It wouldn't, of course, for those voters who are opposed to Trump under all circumstances, but I would think that people who are "soft" in their support or still undecided might switch, either for or against The Donald, depending on which person gets the Vice-Presidential nod.

I'd be interested in replies, regardless of whether they affect you, Dear Reader, or you just have a hunch about how other voters might be moved by the selection when it's announced.

 

[Lanman87]

Now, that's a valid point that I had not dealt with.

It can matter in some states, but not in yours and some others. The Electoral College is where it counts, and which candidate will get those votes decides the outcome. If the popular vote in any state is certain to go to Candidate X, then voting for the other contender is mainly personal and symbolic.

That is where I'm at in Alabama. Trump will win Alabama by at least 20%. If I was in a battleground state it would be a much more difficult decision. I have a lot of issues with Trump. Besides his personal demeanor there are his threats to use the power of the Presidency for retribution against his political opponents and his willingness to leave NATO, which I feel would guarantee the USA entering an armed conflict in the near future and embolden Russia to be more aggressive against western Europe.

However, I have more issues with Biden and the democrats.

As it is, I can not vote for either with a clear conscious.

 

[Forgiven1]

How about this slant on the subject--

Does Trump's choice of VP make any difference? It wouldn't, of course, for those voters who are opposed to Trump under all circumstances, but I would think that people who are "soft" in their support or still undecided might switch, either for or against The Donald, depending on which person gets the Vice-Presidential nod.

I'd be interested in replies, regardless of whether they affect you, Dear Reader, or you just have a hunch about how other voters might be moved by the selection when it's announced.

Definitely matters to me. This election, it may matter as we have 2 elderly men running. One we know who's health is declining as we can see it. The other has issues too, just can't define it yet.

 

[Albion]

Definitely matters to me. This election, it may matter as we have 2 elderly men running. One we know who's health is declining as we can see it. The other has issues too, just can't define it yet.

Do you (or any other reader) have any preferences among the people being said to be in the running for Trump's VP?
Or, would any particular one of them be a definite turn-off for you?

As for Biden, if he's not the presidential nominee, which of the people rumored as a replacement would be the strongest choice for the Democrats as a candidate?

 

[Lees]

I will vote for Trump. I agree with his position. His cognitive ability is in tact. This is why he is feared by the democrats.

For those who say they won't vote for either Trump or Biden, you won't really vote. You may write in someone else, but it is a useless vote.

If Biden withdraws and Kamala Harris is the democrat nominee, then you have one who allegedly slept her way to political advancement. They have other words for that.

And yet so many are so appalled at Trump and Stormy Daniels allegations.

So I hope Biden withdraws and that Kamala Harris runs for president. That way we will be able to learn how many beds Harris used for her rise to power. Because once you run for president, no stone will be left uncovered....or stones.

Lees

 

[Albion]

I will vote for Trump. I agree with his position. His cognitive ability is in tact. This is why he is feared by the democrats.

For those who say they won't vote for either Trump or Biden, you won't really vote. You may write in someone else, but it is a useless vote.

Well, in most states, there isn't a need for a write-in vote. There are several "third parties" on the ballot, and they have nominated their own candidates for president.

 

[Lees]

Well, in most states, there isn't a need for a write-in vote. There are several "third parties" on the ballot, and they have nominated their own candidates for president.

Big deal. The point is you can vote for whoever you want, be they 'write ins' or 'third party'. But, your vote is wasted. Your vote won't matter.

As I said, I will vote for Trump who is quite the leader with his cognitive abilities in tact. As opposed to someone who is senile or who has slept their way to the top.

Lees

 

[Lamb]

Definitely matters to me. This election, it may matter as we have 2 elderly men running. One we know who's health is declining as we can see it. The other has issues too, just can't define it yet.

Exactly. We can't be certain either one will live through the next 4 years, so we have to look at who would be a qualified VP to take over.

 

[Albion]

Big deal. The point is you can vote for whoever you want, be they 'write ins' or 'third party'. But, your vote is wasted. Your vote won't matter.

I know it's a small point, but the point was that a write-in for president is completely useless unless you just want to feel good about your action.

These votes aren't even reported.

By contrast, the votes cast for a minor political party are recorded and published, meaning that there is something to show for it, however small. And, occasionally, the 2 or 3% that a "third party" may garner does hold the difference between the two major parties with whatever significance can be drawn from that.