Should Biden be the Democrat Nominee or Step Down?

[Lamb]

After the world could see, last night after the debate, that those weren't "cheap fakes" in regards to videos showing Biden's poor performance as of late, and that he truly is suffering medically/physically, should Biden accept or decline the Democrat Nomination for President?

 

[Josiah]

Trump can beat Biden. I sincerely doubt he can beat Newsom.

Republicans - PRAY that Biden stays in the race.



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[NewCreation435]

I didn't watch the debate, but think he should step down. He's 81 and far too old to run again.

 

[Albion]

I can't see him agreeing to step down...not so long as he's able to stand and (sort of) talk. As it is, he already vacations as much as he performs the work of a president, and the media make sure not to ever make anything of that.

Plus, there are two events coming up that his supporters and staff are probably looking forward to. For one, President Trump still faces a judge who may send him to jail before election day or, if not that, confine him to Washington DC. Then too, Biden may look a lot better during the second debate if the two men are not again shown together on split screen, Biden is allowed to bring notes, the moderators put the screws to Trump while giving Biden softball questions, the audience is packed with Biden supporters, and/or Biden is given the questions in advance.

 

[Lamb]

I can't see him agreeing to step down...not so long as he's able to stand and (sort of) talk. As it is, he already vacations as much as he performs the work of a president, and the media make sure not to ever make anything of that.

Plus, there are two events coming up that his supporters and staff are probably looking forward to. For one, President Trump still faces a judge who may send him to jail before election day or, if not that, confine him to Washington DC. Then too, Biden may look a lot better during the second debate if the two men are not again shown together on split screen, Biden is allowed to bring notes, the moderators put the screws to Trump while giving Biden softball questions, the audience is packed with Biden supporters, and/or Biden is given the questions in advance.

Doesn't it seem like it's more about ego then for Biden than it is for who can represent the country?

 

[Albion]

Doesn't it seem like it's more about ego then for Biden than it is for who can represent the country?

For sure. But he probably also imagines that his policies have indeed been for the good of the country.

 

[Cam]

Biden should step aside, but he won't. Seeing how he was at that debate, there's no telling what he would be like 3-4 years from now. It's a lose-lose situation all around for the Democratic Party. If they pick Newsom or someone, they'd be snubbing Kamala, and while she is highly unpopular, that would be a mess because of her race/gender/etc.

 

[Lamb]

Biden should step aside, but he won't. Seeing how he was at that debate, there's no telling what he would be like 3-4 years from now. It's a lose-lose situation all around for the Democratic Party. If they pick Newsom or someone, they'd be snubbing Kamala, and while she is highly unpopular, that would be a mess because of her race/gender/etc.

In 3-4 years he isn't going to look any better, his mind won't get any better, his physique will be worse too. Is that what Democrats think will protect us from the enemy?

 

[Josiah]

Doesn't it seem like it's more about ego then for Biden than it is for who can represent the country?

IMO, that's usually the case. EGO drives politicians.... a quest for power, fame, etc. IMO, the most egotistical politician in the USA in all American history is Donald J. Trump. But the difference between him and other politicians is a matter of degree, not kind.


It seems that Jill Biden is the only one who COULD convince Biden to drop out... and there's zero evidence she's going to do that. IF I were a Democrat, I'd be crying.... clearly, they were sold that Biden was okay when he's been in sharp decline for a long time; they were lied to by their party leaders, and now that's clear. Now they are stuck with him, and clearly he's going to lose, in their minds, to the worse president ever, a felon and a liar... all because the Democrat Party lied to them. Republicans should pray that Biden stays in... Trump can beat him but I doubt he could beat any other Democrat.


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[Albion]

In 3-4 years he isn't going to look any better, his mind won't get any better, his physique will be worse too. Is that what Democrats think will protect us from the enemy?

I agree, but it's worse than that in my view. Biden's deteriorating condition has been unfolding before our eyes over the past months. It's not a graceful or gradual decline, and it didn't just begin on the day of the debate despite the many reports of people who were shocked on that occasion as though he'd never shown himself that way before.

Anyone who votes for Biden because of hating Trump's looks or mannerisms, is actually voting for Kamala Harris since the chances of Biden being able to function in the office of president for even half of the term of his office (if re-elected this November) are nil. And then you get the Vice-President.

 

[Cam]

IMO, that's usually the case. EGO drives politicians.... a quest for power, fame, etc. IMO, the most egotistical politician in the USA in all American history is Donald J. Trump. But the difference between him and other politicians is a matter of degree, not kind.


It seems that Jill Biden is the only one who COULD convince Biden to drop out... and there's zero evidence she's going to do that. IF I were a Democrat, I'd be crying.... clearly, they were sold that Biden was okay when he's been in sharp decline for a long time; they were lied to by their party leaders, and now that's clear. Now they are stuck with him, and clearly he's going to lose, in their minds, to the worse president ever, a felon and a liar... all because the Democrat Party lied to them. Republicans should pray that Biden stays in... Trump can beat him but I doubt he could beat any other Democrat.


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I don't know if you saw his State of the Union, but he seemed perfectly fine then, which is why so many people have insisted that he was drugged up at that. I just can't believe that much has changed from then to now.

I've been seeing lots of news outlets push this idea that any other Democrat could beat Trump, but I really don't believe that. Any other candidate they pick, they'll agitate a portion of their base.

 

[Lamb]

I don't know if you saw his State of the Union, but he seemed perfectly fine then, which is why so many people have insisted that he was drugged up at that. I just can't believe that much has changed from then to now.

I've been seeing lots of news outlets push this idea that any other Democrat could beat Trump, but I really don't believe that. Any other candidate they pick, they'll agitate a portion of their base.

There is a HUGE difference between reading from a written script and trying to think on your toes and respond. Do you notice how Biden doesn't do press conferences? When he does, he selects journalists who have a set script because he has memorized answers. Compare the press conferences from Trump to Biden. Which one actually interacts with the journalists????

 

[Josiah]

This is proof of climate change!

Biden was just effected by the horrible, man-made climate change (DON'T blame women, this is MAN-made!!!).

Blame all those fat, rich, REPUBLICAN men for Biden's performance. THEY cause climate change! THEY are the problem!


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[Forgiven1]

Well, it looks like stepping down won't be happening.

Also, there are Biden fans who will vote for him more as a vote against Trump. I am not a fan of either one.

 

[Albion]

Sometime I'd like to hear what a voter who doesn't care for either candidate intends to do in November. We get that neither one of the candidates of the Big Two parties is appealing, but...

What about their respective accomplishments or failures while in office?

Does this matter? Does "throwing away" one's vote by not voting for president at all or, instead, by casting one's vote for some third-party candidate do more good than choosing between Biden and Trump? SOMEONE is going to be president come 2025.

 

[Lamb]

Sometime I'd like to hear what a voter who doesn't care for either candidate intends to do in November. We get that neither one of the candidates of the Big Two parties is appealing, but...

What about their respective accomplishments or failures while in office?

Does this matter? Does "throwing away" one's vote by not voting for president at all or, instead, by casting one's vote for some third-party candidate do more good than choosing between Biden and Trump? SOMEONE is going to be president come 2025.

I've heard from Independents who aren't going to vote for either one.

 

[Albion]

I've heard from Independents who aren't going to vote for either one.

How many of those people, I wonder, are also saying--in effect--that they'll be equally happy with the policies and appointments of Biden and his handlers...or with Trump and his policies and appointments?

There's little doubt that, when we consider two men who have each been in the presidential office for four years, the winner's policies will, by and large, be resumed come inauguration day 2025.

 

[Castle Church]

I feel they are building for a 25th amendment or they will threaten him with it privately and he will resign. He does not want to resign and is incredibly inflexible with that option, they will have to force his hand. Broadly the press has turned against him and every few hours something new seems to come out, and none of it is good. Biden is not doing anything that the talking heads are advising. They keep saying he needs to do a press interview, off script and on camera - that is not going to happen. He can't even do a private dinner without teleprompters.

2 -3 weeks and he is not the President any longer is my prediction.

 

[Forgiven1]

Sometime I'd like to hear what a voter who doesn't care for either candidate intends to do in November. We get that neither one of the candidates of the Big Two parties is appealing, but...

What about their respective accomplishments or failures while in office?

Does this matter? Does "throwing away" one's vote by not voting for president at all or, instead, by casting one's vote for some third-party candidate do more good than choosing between Biden and Trump? SOMEONE is going to be president come 2025.

This is something I struggle with. I know I won't be voting for Biden, the one is a given. The question is: Do I vote for Trump or do I write someone in?

As my son says, we need to pay attention to all the offices below the President Our Senators, Congress, Governors, et cetera.

 

[Albion]

This is something I struggle with. I know I won't be voting for Biden, the one is a given. The question is: Do I vote for Trump or do I write someone in?

Yes, I can appreciate that thinking.

It's a matter of conscience that you don't give your support to either of those candidates, even though abstaining has been described as giving half a vote to the candidate who ultimately does win.

Most people I hear from or read in their online posts, however, never make such an argument. Instead, they either state or give the impression that they are willing to have either one of the two prevail.

Okay. Let's say that they are both terrible people. One or the other of them is going to be the next president just the same, and they govern in quite different ways with different goals, etc. I should think that this obvious and (in their particular cases) proven fact should matter.