So... What are YOU doing? - Part 8

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Ich lerne Deutsch jetzt seit drei Monate. Es gibt viele worte dass ich kenne nicht. Zum Beispeile, meine katze ist orange und schwartz und wieß, aber ich kenne nicht die andere farben

Gesundheit.

(from memory, showing just how rusty my German is), I think you're saying you have been learning German for about three months. Something about you can't do something. Your cats are orange and black and white, and you can't do something else.

(from Google Translate)
I have been learning German for three months now. There are many words that I don't know. For example, my cat is orange and black and white, but I don't know the other colors

I wasn't horribly far off I guess.
Rot, blau, grun, braun, gelb.
 

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Gesundheit.

(from memory, showing just how rusty my German is), I think you're saying you have been learning German for about three months. Something about you can't do something. Your cats are orange and black and white, and you can't do something else.

(from Google Translate)
I have been learning German for three months now. There are many words that I don't know. For example, my cat is orange and black and white, but I don't know the other colors

I wasn't horribly far off I guess.
Rot, blau, grun, braun, gelb.

How long did you take German classes for? Were they as a child or young man? (I don't know your age, but my guess is that you are at least 40)

Try this one.

Meine Freunde und ich möchten am Wochenende campen gehen. Aber ich habe gehört, dass es gibt eine Hexe im Wald leben. Wir haben angst. Vielleicht, wir solten nicht gehen. Dann ertönte eine Stimme: "Die Nacht ist dunkel, und voller Schrecken!"

No doubt the reason I'm picking up a few more words than my lessons is that I'm watching the entire Game of Thrones series with German subtitles. I don't remember every word, but if it's repeated enough, they become more familiar.
 

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How long did you take German classes for? Were they as a child or young man? (I don't know your age, but my guess is that you are at least 40)

I took German for three years at school, which was - ahem - a lot of years ago. More than I entirely care to count. I haven't used it a whole lot since then so although I remember concept-level aspects like sentence structure the specific details of vocabulary has gotten very rusty over the years.

Try this one.

Meine Freunde und ich möchten am Wochenende campen gehen. Aber ich habe gehört, dass es gibt eine Hexe im Wald leben. Wir haben angst. Vielleicht, wir solten nicht gehen. Dann ertönte eine Stimme: "Die Nacht ist dunkel, und voller Schrecken!"

My friends and I (something) going to a weekend camping. Afterwards I heard the woods were cursed. We were afraid. So we didn't go. (I'm not sure about the last sentence - maybe something about the night being dark?)

For the sake of honesty I'm speculating about some of the meanings of the words, trying to pick things out based on context. As I'm sure you know it's much easier to read and comprehend what someone else wrote than it is to write it yourself.

No doubt the reason I'm picking up a few more words than my lessons is that I'm watching the entire Game of Thrones series with German subtitles. I don't remember every word, but if it's repeated enough, they become more familiar.

That sort of thing is a good way to pick up some extra vocabulary that you wouldn't typically get in regular lessons. I learned a word in a foreign language that my friend, who translates documents to and from that language professionally, had to look up. I'd spotted it on a postcard, thought it was kinda cool, and remembered it. In fairness to my friend he typically translated technical documents, which don't often feature words like "gargoyle".
 

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I took German for three years at school, which was - ahem - a lot of years ago. More than I entirely care to count. I haven't used it a whole lot since then so although I remember concept-level aspects like sentence structure the specific details of vocabulary has gotten very rusty over the years.



My friends and I (something) going to a weekend camping. Afterwards I heard the woods were cursed. We were afraid. So we didn't go. (I'm not sure about the last sentence - maybe something about the night being dark?)

For the sake of honesty I'm speculating about some of the meanings of the words, trying to pick things out based on context. As I'm sure you know it's much easier to read and comprehend what someone else wrote than it is to write it yourself.



That sort of thing is a good way to pick up some extra vocabulary that you wouldn't typically get in regular lessons. I learned a word in a foreign language that my friend, who translates documents to and from that language professionally, had to look up. I'd spotted it on a postcard, thought it was kinda cool, and remembered it. In fairness to my friend he typically translated technical documents, which don't often feature words like "gargoyle".

Did you take German because of an interest you had in the country/people/language or for some other reason?

I took a couple of years of Spanish in Jr/High school, as an elective, because it was something practical for me at that time, living in Southern California. That said, I was never all that keen. I remember some still and sometimes even find myself replacing a few simple English phrases/words with it...but again, I wasn't all that keen.

For me, this is different. I had a very very strong impression/feeling regarding German people some time back - so strong that I don't believe it could have completely originated from myself. Not knowing exactly what it meant/means, I decided that whatever that is/was - I needed to learn the language. My ancestry is German.

So I have the time zurzeit (currently) to study it. And this is something I do every single day - for hours. Often evenings too. Continuing on this course, I believe I can have a decent command of the language in perhaps 6 months or so.
 

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We have nothing planned for this weekend because my husband has bronchitis and is waiting for his nebulizer machine to arrive.
 

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Did you take German because of an interest you had in the country/people/language or for some other reason?

I took a couple of years of Spanish in Jr/High school, as an elective, because it was something practical for me at that time, living in Southern California. That said, I was never all that keen. I remember some still and sometimes even find myself replacing a few simple English phrases/words with it...but again, I wasn't all that keen.

For me, this is different. I had a very very strong impression/feeling regarding German people some time back - so strong that I don't believe it could have completely originated from myself. Not knowing exactly what it meant/means, I decided that whatever that is/was - I needed to learn the language. My ancestry is German.

So I have the time zurzeit (currently) to study it. And this is something I do every single day - for hours. Often evenings too. Continuing on this course, I believe I can have a decent command of the language in perhaps 6 months or so.

At school we learned French from day 1, then we added German and Spanish in (I think) the following year, and then later on we could drop either German or Spanish but we had to take French and either German or Spanish. I chose German and spent much of the next two years wishing I'd chosen Spanish. Trying to learn three languages at 13 years old is tricky, leading to some spectacular test answers - I wasn't the only one who got muddled once in a while and switched from one language to another in the middle of an answer.

I'm very conscious how many people whose first language isn't English speak multiple languages and take the time to use them correctly, while so many people whose first language is English only speak English, assume everyone else will speak English, and assume that however badly they butcher the language it's OK because self-expression or something. I like to keep at least a few words in hand in other languages, although a lack of obvious situations to use languages day-to-day means they inevitably get very rusty. I find it interesting how other countries and cultures do things, even down to things like Germans putting the verb at the end and Spanish using the ¿ and ¡ symbols.

If you've got lots of time to learn you'll pick it up fast, especially if you're picking it up from multiple sources. Assuming you keep practising it there's no reason for it to go rusty like mine did. I suspect I could pick up a basic level of French, Spanish and German fairly quickly, if I just wanted to be able to muddle through in those languages - along the lines of "where is the post office?" rather than "I think the alternator in my car might have developed an intermittent fault".
 

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At school we learned French from day 1, then we added German and Spanish in (I think) the following year, and then later on we could drop either German or Spanish but we had to take French and either German or Spanish. I chose German and spent much of the next two years wishing I'd chosen Spanish. Trying to learn three languages at 13 years old is tricky, leading to some spectacular test answers - I wasn't the only one who got muddled once in a while and switched from one language to another in the middle of an answer.

Wow, I can't see the sense in expecting someone to learn 3 languages at once.
I'm very conscious how many people whose first language isn't English speak multiple languages and take the time to use them correctly, while so many people whose first language is English only speak English, assume everyone else will speak English, and assume that however badly they butcher the language it's OK because self-expression or something. I like to keep at least a few words in hand in other languages, although a lack of obvious situations to use languages day-to-day means they inevitably get very rusty. I find it interesting how other countries and cultures do things, even down to things like Germans putting the verb at the end and Spanish using the ¿ and ¡ symbols.

The verb at the end thing in German seems to be a case by case thing, which if I remember right comes from the languages from where it is derived (Greek and Latin from memory) - that is, the case, I mean. Infinitives like "gehen" (to go) or "besuchen" (to visit) go at the end of the sentence or phrase in order of their importance in the sentence, where as "Geh" (Go) or "Ich gehe" (I go) can be found near or at the beginning. I'm still getting the hang of it.

"Warum besuchst du deinen Bruder im Februar?" (Why are you visiting your brother in February?) is an example from a lesson I'm taking right now.
If you've got lots of time to learn you'll pick it up fast, especially if you're picking it up from multiple sources. Assuming you keep practising it there's no reason for it to go rusty like mine did. I suspect I could pick up a basic level of French, Spanish and German fairly quickly, if I just wanted to be able to muddle through in those languages - along the lines of "where is the post office?" rather than "I think the alternator in my car might have developed an intermittent fault".

Thanks! The language indeed holds some interesting challenges. It seems every noun has a gender (male/female/neuter) and it basically has to be memorized in order to say "the" correctly (Die,Der,Das) when referring to that noun...but also when referring to the noun in a certain sense. For instance:

"My brother, my father" - Mein Bruder, Mein Vater - notice the "mein" is the same but...if one of the nouns is the secondary or receiving noun...the "mein" changes to "meinen" for that noun:

"My brother loves my father" - Mein Bruder liebt meinen Vater.

These are examples of the little extras I have been stumbling over, besides remembering that certain letters/letter combinations make different sounds in English than they do in German. (For instance: V has an "f" sound, S has a "z" sound and so forth).
 

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Wow, I can't see the sense in expecting someone to learn 3 languages at once.

Latin was also an option but only for alternating years.

The verb at the end thing in German seems to be a case by case thing, which if I remember right comes from the languages from where it is derived (Greek and Latin from memory) - that is, the case, I mean. Infinitives like "gehen" (to go) or "besuchen" (to visit) go at the end of the sentence or phrase in order of their importance in the sentence, where as "Geh" (Go) or "Ich gehe" (I go) can be found near or at the beginning. I'm still getting the hang of it.

"Warum besuchst du deinen Bruder im Februar?" (Why are you visiting your brother in February?) is an example from a lesson I'm taking right now.

I thought it related to tenses but if I recall you pointed out an example where my theory didn't work - I remember things like "Ich esse die Eier" against "ich habe die Eier gegessen".

Thanks! The language indeed holds some interesting challenges. It seems every noun has a gender (male/female/neuter) and it basically has to be memorized in order to say "the" correctly (Die,Der,Das) when referring to that noun...but also when referring to the noun in a certain sense. For instance:

"My brother, my father" - Mein Bruder, Mein Vater - notice the "mein" is the same but...if one of the nouns is the secondary or receiving noun...the "mein" changes to "meinen" for that noun:

"My brother loves my father" - Mein Bruder liebt meinen Vater.

These are examples of the little extras I have been stumbling over, besides remembering that certain letters/letter combinations make different sounds in English than they do in German. (For instance: V has an "f" sound, S has a "z" sound and so forth).

I think some (maybe all) things also revert to feminine in the plurals? I could be wrong on that, it's been a while. I remember there being no obvious rhyme nor reason to what is classed as male, female or neuter. And I think some (again, maybe all) adjectives take on the gender of the associated noun, so something green might be or grun or grune (or grunes?) depending on gender.
 

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I think some (maybe all) things also revert to feminine in the plurals? I could be wrong on that, it's been a while. I remember there being no obvious rhyme nor reason to what is classed as male, female or neuter. And I think some (again, maybe all) adjectives take on the gender of the associated noun, so something green might be or grun or grune (or grunes?) depending on gender.

Yes, as you correctly recognized earlier in attempting to translate what I wrote from your memory. "Mein Freund" (my male friend) becomes "Meine Freunde" (my friends - plural but not necessarily male). "Meine Freundin" (my female friend - singular). "Mein Bruder" (my brother) curiously becomes "Meine Bruder" (with umlaut over the "u") - "My brothers", but I can't tell the difference in sound between "Bruder" with and without the umlaut.

Curiously "zu Hause" means "at home" - but is singular even though one might think it's plural.
 

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While shopping at one of my favorite stores tonight...

I sung softly a little tune I made up about all the beautiful young women that work and shop there - in German.

One of the perks of being able to express yourself freely in a country where maybe only a tiny fraction know what you're saying. :)
 

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My husband and I are still sick :( Getting better, but it's going to take a while. So today, we're just relaxing.
 

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Yes, as you correctly recognized earlier in attempting to translate what I wrote from your memory. "Mein Freund" (my male friend) becomes "Meine Freunde" (my friends - plural but not necessarily male). "Meine Freundin" (my female friend - singular). "Mein Bruder" (my brother) curiously becomes "Meine Bruder" (with umlaut over the "u") - "My brothers", but I can't tell the difference in sound between "Bruder" with and without the umlaut.

Curiously "zu Hause" means "at home" - but is singular even though one might think it's plural.

I think the umlaut version is pronounced with the lips more closed and it's a slightly longer sound, but that's the best way I know to describe it in a silent medium. And I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time :)

From what I've seen if you are using the local language if you visit somewhere they appreciate the fact you're at least making an effort. I imagine a lot of touristy areas are used to (and probably quite tired of) the tourists who speak English badly, don't make an effort to learn even a few words of the local language, and think that speaking English loudly and slowly is going to help get through to someone who doesn't speak English at all.

The downside is that speaking some of the local language can lead to unexpected situations. I misunderstood a waiter's warning in a restaurant in Paris and so he thought I knew what I was ordering when I requested the "tartare de boeuf". He asked if I wanted it cooked medium. At least that's what I thought he asked. He was actually checking I knew it wasn't cooked but, having misunderstood what he said, I confirmed that he was correct so he brought me what I ordered. Oops. Apparently my French (at the time) was good enough he thought I knew what I was ordering, which was a small positive to take away from the situation.
 

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I'm watching the news this morning about the debate last night.
 

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My husband and I are going to a garden attraction to see the fountains this morning.
 

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FIghting with insulation panels. I've managed to clear enough space around the wall I framed, and in the space where I'm storing the stack of remaining panels, so that I can feed the panels into my table saw, get the strips upstairs, and fitted into the spaces. Spaces aren't quite as uniform as I had hoped because the wood isn't perfectly straight, but it's a lot closer than I've had to deal with when working with the original wall studs. Even trimming the panels to fit around an electrical box is less aggravation than I expected it to be, I just need to be careful not to trim the cables while I'm doing it.
 

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We're headed to the lighthouse, where we found a tiny beach spot that no one really goes to. I mean, some people know about it, but very rarely will there be people there.
 

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Right now I'm wishing tese annoying fireworks weren't on the page. They add no value and are distracting. I can't be bothered to try and post any more with things exploding all over the place.
 

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Right now I'm wishing tese annoying fireworks weren't on the page. They add no value and are distracting. I can't be bothered to try and post any more with things exploding all over the place.

I think you can turn it off in your profile?
 

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I think you can turn it off in your profile?

@tango you can go to your account and under Preferences click on Disable Holiday Styling and it will shut off the fireworks.
 
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