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Most of the Ukraine aid money isn't going to Ukraine. It is going into the hands of American Defense Contractors. Lockheed Martin, RTX, Boeing, General Dynamics and the others are making a ton of money. And they employee a lot of Americans.

Does that fact have any influence on how you feel about Ukraine Aid?
 

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Most of the Ukraine aid money isn't going to Ukraine. It is going into the hands of American Defense Contractors. Lockheed Martin, RTX, Boeing, General Dynamics and the others are making a ton of money. And they employee a lot of Americans.

Does that fact have any influence on how you feel about Ukraine Aid?
Huh. Do you have an article to support this? Personally, I don't stand with the government of Ukraine. I stand with the dupped and displaced people who are victims of this agenda. I don't care what NATO's reason is for taking on the Bear of the Book of Daniel. It is insanity!

"The king of the north will go through like a flood" and will devour much flesh. What's interesting is, in the Message of Fatima , Mother Mary gave a key for the Book of Daniel. She said " Russia will go through like a flood"! In the book of Daniel it states; " The king of the north will go through like a flood".

Something else interesting to note. Daniel gives us a stepping off point from the kings of Persia to the following nations which is indication of who certain nations are. I will paraphrase simply type in certain phrases to google and follow along.
After the kings of Persia we read" One who is great will rise/ come to power and his reign will not be long"... The word ( great) is key. History shows the conquest of Greece and in fact the lands of Persia were conquered by Alexander the Great! After we read that " at that time the king of the south will become great but one of his princes would be greater still". At the time Alexander the Great came to rule Persia the Silk Road of China grew and China began to be a player. But it isn't until Xi came into power that China has become greater still Xi is " one of his princes". As a matter of fact China is at its strongest financially and militarily than it has ever been.
With that said, this helps us to understand the rise of Russia, that is relative concerning the king of the north and south narrative further in Daniel. Rosh-the Head / Russia is the northern kingdom. For this time Putin is the king of the north who will go through like a flood! There, we have undestanding of the king of the north and south. Quite literally they are north and south of each other, sharing the same land mass. God is amazing!

I guess if you have decked out bunkers with 3 football field long hydroponic systems and artificial sunlight with gardens , you may feel quite secure 20 stories down or more in the earth, the rest of us not so comfortable with poking the bear.

The Bear represents Russia. It is up on its side in a defense position in the Book of Daniel. Whether people like it or not that means it is being provoked, not the other way around! Think about it?

Not going to be good. And the global war prophesied in Fatima is going to 💥explode!

In the Book of Daniel, Daniel's dream is the stepping off point from king Nebuchanazzar's. With the kingdom of iron and clay of Neb's statue, which does not mix, first came the breaking up of the Roman empire and it is stomped into the ground. That simply means, it's political ideologies would be scattered all over the earth. Every nation today has some type of political system of Rome. From communism to democracy, socialism ....etc.

Daniel's dream shows us different kingdoms which would rise after the fall of Rome per-say. Each kingdom has an animal to represent its nation or political stages. 1. The lion with wings, this is England. England's king was made to stand like a man because the wings were plucked off- America, and England had to stand on its own two feet like a man . England had to become self supporting because America ( The Eagle) reoresented by the two wings would no longer pay taxes to the king of England. America won its independence and became its own nation. Hence, its Declaration of Independence and why it celebrates the 4th of July.💥

The Lord is sovereign over the affairs of men after all. Because He tells about their rise and fall ahead of time.

The 4 headed Leopard with wings, represents Reichs. A leopard never changes its spots. It is always the same mo. The first Reich came with (The " Holy" Roman Empire ) whether anyone wants to accept that or not. The Inquisitions, subjugation of unsavory or not, Jewish ghettos.... ( The vow of the Rothschilds) against the vatican for another time.

Hierarchical abuses by use of relgion have all the hallmarks of the spirit of the Reich. This charge is laid against the hierarchy not the Faithful and True , the little ones as Mother Mary calls them.

Moving forward, the 2nd and third Reichs are of German. France is is represented in the body as its symbol is a rooster we had Napoleon. Hence, the wings. This is European dominance and conflict after Ancient Rome.

The Bear is Russia. Though its governmental symbolism is a two headed eagle, its society at large recognizes the Bear as its sovereign symbol. It is a symbol of endearment fir most Russians. It represents strength, fortitude and resilience! I think that is a big deal. That shows startling accuracy because other nations had the two headed eagle as a state symbol, that includes Ancient Rome but no one had the bear as their national symbol.😉God winks moment.

The forth Reich is the last head on the leopard. The fourth creature of Daniel is the embodiment of many nations who have conspired together against Lord and His anointed! The false zionist oath. The teeth of iron represent of the fourth creature representsRussia. This is proven with it's iron teeth being broken off and stomped to the earth. Plus the teeth will bring great destruction. Hence, " Russia will spread its errors throughout the world". The fall if the iron curtain and the break up of the Soviet Union. Hence, the teeth breaking off! Communism and it principles have permeated the earth even the king of the south adopted them. The Vatican too has been infiltrated by communist. Putin's father was a Bolshevik and was both Lenin's and Stalin's personal chief. Do a bit of study. Both Lenin and Stalin were crypto Jews. Meaning, in the beginning they assumed Christian gentile identies but their birth certificates state otherwise. Carl Marx was from Prussia which means ( of Russia ) 🇷🇺 how Prussia got its name.

Anyways, see how Russia spread its errors across the earth?
The fourth kingdom also called the fourth creature by the Lord, is called the fourth turning by some scholars but most notably the WEF, Davos villain -Klaus Shwab calls it the Fouth industrial age. Even villains have to obey the Lord.
The bronze claws on the fourth creature is China. It had a strong bronze age in its time plus indicates its strength compared to Russia. Iron is stronger than bronze. However, for our time these two nations will wreak havoc on the world even in the United States. With this war centered around Israel, instigated by Teman ( BiBi Net) explain later with biblical prophecy( it's amazing you will learn the name relation). With Israel's Eastern European and Russian Jews the spirit of communism is alive and well. Hence, the 7 months of protest against BiBi and his Knesset! They have further expanded the war of Gog and Magog,- kingdoms of satan ruled by satan. No one will be unscathed "Many nations will be completely annihilated "- Mother Mary- Fatima. They are the violent among Daniel's people in the Book of Daniel who have instigated the war.

The end of the age will center around Israel.

The fourth kingdom is like iron and clay which do not mix. This represents biotechnology. It was a desire of Stalin. He even approached Russian scientists of his day, to devise a way to control people with biotechnology. Now man has that tech and is using it. It is all part of the "Vision" of Kabbalah and its desire for world domination. However, iron and clay do not mix!

Here we are, all caught up with history. Hope to see you all during the prophesied time of peace Mother Mary spoke of found in the Book of Isaiah. " My people will dwell in the desolate places, they will rebuild"🙏🏼❤️Oh! lastly, it states in the Book of Daniel, the king of the north will come to hate the holy covenant. So, don't get cozied up with Putin. Serve Christ alone these days, all days.
 

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Oh! If you notice the bronze claws are south of the iron teeth, I like those finer details from God. The teeth are close to the head , that means this war will bring things to a head and afterwards the man of sin arrives. Satan needs this war to take as many souls as possible. Especially after the war to "deceive, if it were possible, even the elect". He comes on the scene following the war.
 

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Huh. Do you have an article to support this? Personally, I don't stand with the government of Ukraine. I stand with the dupped and displaced people who are victims of this agenda. I don't care what NATO's reason is for taking on the Bear of the Book of Daniel. It is insanity!

"The king of the north will go through like a flood" and will devour much flesh. What's interesting is, in the Message of Fatima , Mother Mary gave a key for the Book of Daniel. She said " Russia will go through like a flood"! In the book of Daniel it states; " The king of the north will go through like a flood".

Something else interesting to note. Daniel gives us a stepping off point from the kings of Persia to the following nations which is indication of who certain nations are. I will paraphrase simply type in certain phrases to google and follow along.
After the kings of Persia we read" One who is great will rise/ come to power and his reign will not be long"... The word ( great) is key. History shows the conquest of Greece and in fact the lands of Persia were conquered by Alexander the Great! After we read that " at that time the king of the south will become great but one of his princes would be greater still". At the time Alexander the Great came to rule Persia the Silk Road of China grew and China began to be a player. But it isn't until Xi came into power that China has become greater still Xi is " one of his princes". As a matter of fact China is at its strongest financially and militarily than it has ever been.
With that said, this helps us to understand the rise of Russia, that is relative concerning the king of the north and south narrative further in Daniel. Rosh-the Head / Russia is the northern kingdom. For this time Putin is the king of the north who will go through like a flood! There, we have undestanding of the king of the north and south. Quite literally they are north and south of each other, sharing the same land mass. God is amazing!

I guess if you have decked out bunkers with 3 football field long hydroponic systems and artificial sunlight with gardens , you may feel quite secure 20 stories down or more in the earth, the rest of us not so comfortable with poking the bear.

The Bear represents Russia. It is up on its side in a defense position in the Book of Daniel. Whether people like it or not that means it is being provoked, not the other way around! Think about it?

Not going to be good. And the global war prophesied in Fatima is going to 💥explode!

In the Book of Daniel, Daniel's dream is the stepping off point from king Nebuchanazzar's. With the kingdom of iron and clay of Neb's statue, which does not mix, first came the breaking up of the Roman empire and it is stomped into the ground. That simply means, it's political ideologies would be scattered all over the earth. Every nation today has some type of political system of Rome. From communism to democracy, socialism ....etc.

Daniel's dream shows us different kingdoms which would rise after the fall of Rome per-say. Each kingdom has an animal to represent its nation or political stages. 1. The lion with wings, this is England. England's king was made to stand like a man because the wings were plucked off- America, and England had to stand on its own two feet like a man . England had to become self supporting because America ( The Eagle) reoresented by the two wings would no longer pay taxes to the king of England. America won its independence and became its own nation. Hence, its Declaration of Independence and why it celebrates the 4th of July.💥

The Lord is sovereign over the affairs of men after all. Because He tells about their rise and fall ahead of time.

The 4 headed Leopard with wings, represents Reichs. A leopard never changes its spots. It is always the same mo. The first Reich came with (The " Holy" Roman Empire ) whether anyone wants to accept that or not. The Inquisitions, subjugation of unsavory or not, Jewish ghettos.... ( The vow of the Rothschilds) against the vatican for another time.

Hierarchical abuses by use of relgion have all the hallmarks of the spirit of the Reich. This charge is laid against the hierarchy not the Faithful and True , the little ones as Mother Mary calls them.

Moving forward, the 2nd and third Reichs are of German. France is is represented in the body as its symbol is a rooster we had Napoleon. Hence, the wings. This is European dominance and conflict after Ancient Rome.

The Bear is Russia. Though its governmental symbolism is a two headed eagle, its society at large recognizes the Bear as its sovereign symbol. It is a symbol of endearment fir most Russians. It represents strength, fortitude and resilience! I think that is a big deal. That shows startling accuracy because other nations had the two headed eagle as a state symbol, that includes Ancient Rome but no one had the bear as their national symbol.😉God winks moment.

The forth Reich is the last head on the leopard. The fourth creature of Daniel is the embodiment of many nations who have conspired together against Lord and His anointed! The false zionist oath. The teeth of iron represent of the fourth creature representsRussia. This is proven with it's iron teeth being broken off and stomped to the earth. Plus the teeth will bring great destruction. Hence, " Russia will spread its errors throughout the world". The fall if the iron curtain and the break up of the Soviet Union. Hence, the teeth breaking off! Communism and it principles have permeated the earth even the king of the south adopted them. The Vatican too has been infiltrated by communist. Putin's father was a Bolshevik and was both Lenin's and Stalin's personal chief. Do a bit of study. Both Lenin and Stalin were crypto Jews. Meaning, in the beginning they assumed Christian gentile identies but their birth certificates state otherwise. Carl Marx was from Prussia which means ( of Russia ) 🇷🇺 how Prussia got its name.

Anyways, see how Russia spread its errors across the earth?
The fourth kingdom also called the fourth creature by the Lord, is called the fourth turning by some scholars but most notably the WEF, Davos villain -Klaus Shwab calls it the Fouth industrial age. Even villains have to obey the Lord.
The bronze claws on the fourth creature is China. It had a strong bronze age in its time plus indicates its strength compared to Russia. Iron is stronger than bronze. However, for our time these two nations will wreak havoc on the world even in the United States. With this war centered around Israel, instigated by Teman ( BiBi Net) explain later with biblical prophecy( it's amazing you will learn the name relation). With Israel's Eastern European and Russian Jews the spirit of communism is alive and well. Hence, the 7 months of protest against BiBi and his Knesset! They have further expanded the war of Gog and Magog,- kingdoms of satan ruled by satan. No one will be unscathed "Many nations will be completely annihilated "- Mother Mary- Fatima. They are the violent among Daniel's people in the Book of Daniel who have instigated the war.

The end of the age will center around Israel.

The fourth kingdom is like iron and clay which do not mix. This represents biotechnology. It was a desire of Stalin. He even approached Russian scientists of his day, to devise a way to control people with biotechnology. Now man has that tech and is using it. It is all part of the "Vision" of Kabbalah and its desire for world domination. However, iron and clay do not mix!

Here we are, all caught up with history. Hope to see you all during the prophesied time of peace Mother Mary spoke of found in the Book of Isaiah. " My people will dwell in the desolate places, they will rebuild"🙏🏼❤️Oh! lastly, it states in the Book of Daniel, the king of the north will come to hate the holy covenant. So, don't get cozied up with Putin. Serve Christ alone these days, all days.
Just a correction in case I put " Putin's father was a 'chief ' instead of 'chef' for both Lenin and Stalin."I do these post off the cuff, sometimes my fingers can't keep up with the neurons firing off!
 

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The Bear represents Russia. It is up on its side in a defense position in the Book of Daniel. Whether people like it or not that means it is being provoked, not the other way around! Think about it?

Because you paraphrase and don't demonstrate with Scripture reference, your prophetic interpretation is difficult to follow. I recognize there are different views in prophecy, but every view, when presented, should show the Scripture from whence it comes.

You identify the 'bear' in the book of (Daniel) as Russia. I don't see it. That Russia will play a major role in the last days, I agree. But it's role is laid out in (Ezekiel 38-39) where she is identified as Gog and Magog with her allies. God will destroy her Himself without the use of any human army. (38:19-23) (39:1-6)

I believe you take your reference of the 'bear' from (Dan. 7:5) where Daniel has been given a vision of the four Gentile empires that will exist until the coming of Christ when they will be destroyed. (Dan. 7:13-14) That is when the Kingdom of God set up upon the earth. It is the fifth Kingdom and will be eternal. (7:14) This time period of the four Gentile empires is known as the 'Times of the Gentiles'. (Luke 21:24)

To identify the 'bear' in (Dan. 7:5) first go back to (Dan. 2) where this same vision was given first to Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan. 2:1) God would later show Daniel the dream that was given to Nebuchadnezzar, with it's interpretation. (Dan. 2:31-45) This vision corresponds to the same vision given later to Daniel in chapter (7). It speaks to the same time periods. The 'Times of the Gentiles'. In (Dan. 7) more information is given concerning the fourth kingdom.

In (Dan. 2) the vision is of a great image made up of different metals. (2:31) In (Dan. 7) the vision is of carnivorous beasts. In both visions there are four Gentile empires which in the end are destroyed by God at the Second Coming of Christ. (Dan. 2:44) (Dan. 7:9-14) In (Dan. 2) the order of the metals in the great image is 1.) Gold, 2.) Silver, 3.) Brass, 4.) Iron/Iron and clay. (Dan. 2:31-33)

Daniel identifies the head of gold as Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon. (Dan. 2:36-38) Then Daniel shows that the other three Gentile kingdoms follow in succession. "After thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,..." (2:39) That would be the kingdom of Silver, the second in succession.

In (Dan. 7) these four Gentile empires are described as 'beasts'. (7:3) 1.) Lion, 2.) Bear, 3.) Leopard, 4.) Ten horned iron beast. As these Gentile empires follow in succession, you can see that the 'Bear' is the second empire after Babylon. It corresponds to the Silver in (Dan. 2). The second empire would be Medo-Persia as it is the empire that followed after Babylon, making Medo-Persia the 'Bear'. Not Russia.

This is further born out In (Dan. 8:20-22) where Medo-Persia is defeated by the third kingdom which is identified as Greece. And Medo-Persia is then identified as the second kingdom, as Greece followed the second kingdom. (8:20) Again, making Medo-Persia the 'Bear' in (Dan. 7:5)

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Most of the Ukraine aid money isn't going to Ukraine. It is going into the hands of American Defense Contractors. Lockheed Martin, RTX, Boeing, General Dynamics and the others are making a ton of money. And they employee a lot of Americans.

Does that fact have any influence on how you feel about Ukraine Aid?

So someone is profiting off a war? It's still not something I'd like to support.
 

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Because you paraphrase and don't demonstrate with Scripture reference, your prophetic interpretation is difficult to follow. I recognize there are different views in prophecy, but every view, when presented, should show the Scripture from whence it comes.

You identify the 'bear' in the book of (Daniel) as Russia. I don't see it. That Russia will play a major role in the last days, I agree. But it's role is laid out in (Ezekiel 38-39) where she is identified as Gog and Magog with her allies. God will destroy her Himself without the use of any human army. (38:19-23) (39:1-6)

I believe you take your reference of the 'bear' from (Dan. 7:5) where Daniel has been given a vision of the four Gentile empires that will exist until the coming of Christ when they will be destroyed. (Dan. 7:13-14) That is when the Kingdom of God set up upon the earth. It is the fifth Kingdom and will be eternal. (7:14) This time period of the four Gentile empires is known as the 'Times of the Gentiles'. (Luke 21:24)

To identify the 'bear' in (Dan. 7:5) first go back to (Dan. 2) where this same vision was given first to Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan. 2:1) God would later show Daniel the dream that was given to Nebuchadnezzar, with it's interpretation. (Dan. 2:31-45) This vision corresponds to the same vision given later to Daniel in chapter (7). It speaks to the same time periods. The 'Times of the Gentiles'. In (Dan. 7) more information is given concerning the fourth kingdom.

In (Dan. 2) the vision is of a great image made up of different metals. (2:31) In (Dan. 7) the vision is of carnivorous beasts. In both visions there are four Gentile empires which in the end are destroyed by God at the Second Coming of Christ. (Dan. 2:44) (Dan. 7:9-14) In (Dan. 2) the order of the metals in the great image is 1.) Gold, 2.) Silver, 3.) Brass, 4.) Iron/Iron and clay. (Dan. 2:31-33)

Daniel identifies the head of gold as Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon. (Dan. 2:36-38) Then Daniel shows that the other three Gentile kingdoms follow in succession. "After thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,..." (2:39) That would be the kingdom of Silver, the second in succession.

In (Dan. 7) these four Gentile empires are described as 'beasts'. (7:3) 1.) Lion, 2.) Bear, 3.) Leopard, 4.) Ten horned iron beast. As these Gentile empires follow in succession, you can see that the 'Bear' is the second empire after Babylon. It corresponds to the Silver in (Dan. 2). The second empire would be Medo-Persia as it is the empire that followed after Babylon, making Medo-Persia the 'Bear'. Not Russia.

This is further born out In (Dan. 8:20-22) where Medo-Persia is defeated by the third kingdom which is identified as Greece. And Medo-Persia is then identified as the second kingdom, as Greece followed the second kingdom. (8:20) Again, making Medo-Persia the 'Bear' in (Dan. 7:5)

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Well that is a view point. Thanks for sharing.
 

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Because you paraphrase and don't demonstrate with Scripture reference, your prophetic interpretation is difficult to follow. I recognize there are different views in prophecy, but every view, when presented, should show the Scripture from whence it comes.

You identify the 'bear' in the book of (Daniel) as Russia. I don't see it. That Russia will play a major role in the last days, I agree. But it's role is laid out in (Ezekiel 38-39) where she is identified as Gog and Magog with her allies. God will destroy her Himself without the use of any human army. (38:19-23) (39:1-6)

I believe you take your reference of the 'bear' from (Dan. 7:5) where Daniel has been given a vision of the four Gentile empires that will exist until the coming of Christ when they will be destroyed. (Dan. 7:13-14) That is when the Kingdom of God set up upon the earth. It is the fifth Kingdom and will be eternal. (7:14) This time period of the four Gentile empires is known as the 'Times of the Gentiles'. (Luke 21:24)

To identify the 'bear' in (Dan. 7:5) first go back to (Dan. 2) where this same vision was given first to Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan. 2:1) God would later show Daniel the dream that was given to Nebuchadnezzar, with it's interpretation. (Dan. 2:31-45) This vision corresponds to the same vision given later to Daniel in chapter (7). It speaks to the same time periods. The 'Times of the Gentiles'. In (Dan. 7) more information is given concerning the fourth kingdom.

In (Dan. 2) the vision is of a great image made up of different metals. (2:31) In (Dan. 7) the vision is of carnivorous beasts. In both visions there are four Gentile empires which in the end are destroyed by God at the Second Coming of Christ. (Dan. 2:44) (Dan. 7:9-14) In (Dan. 2) the order of the metals in the great image is 1.) Gold, 2.) Silver, 3.) Brass, 4.) Iron/Iron and clay. (Dan. 2:31-33)

Daniel identifies the head of gold as Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon. (Dan. 2:36-38) Then Daniel shows that the other three Gentile kingdoms follow in succession. "After thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,..." (2:39) That would be the kingdom of Silver, the second in succession.

In (Dan. 7) these four Gentile empires are described as 'beasts'. (7:3) 1.) Lion, 2.) Bear, 3.) Leopard, 4.) Ten horned iron beast. As these Gentile empires follow in succession, you can see that the 'Bear' is the second empire after Babylon. It corresponds to the Silver in (Dan. 2). The second empire would be Medo-Persia as it is the empire that followed after Babylon, making Medo-Persia the 'Bear'. Not Russia.

This is further born out In (Dan. 8:20-22) where Medo-Persia is defeated by the third kingdom which is identified as Greece. And Medo-Persia is then identified as the second kingdom, as Greece followed the second kingdom. (8:20) Again, making Medo-Persia the 'Bear' in (Dan. 7:5)

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No one denied they are gentile nations. As for paraphrasing, any one can google the phrases and get the same passages you post and more, with perfect clarity. When Christ quoted prophets, He didn't quote verses and page numbers. He simply quoted their words as I do. People knowledgeable in scripture know what I am saying. I am not serving up baby food for babies.

Not complicated. Google Book of Daniel then the phrases and everything pops up! Every nation I mention is gentile. The one I did not mention which is the little horn- The Rothschild's Israel, from where the false messiah will come.

Daniel's dream is not Neb's. God is not redundant. Neb's dream is different than Daniel's own dream. Neb's dream is a stepping off point concerning Daniel's So, no you are not correct. Your interp with you personal opinions is more vague than my parphrasing ever could be because because I align scripture with historical facts. Nations symbols don't lie. Every nation of great power from the stepping off from the Persian kings is mentioned in scripture. What your answer sounds like is more redundant , more of the same Persian this and that. There was and is more than Perisian power in scripture revealed. Every kingdom I mentioned is historically verifiable concerning order of events and their rise to power and their nations symbols and how nations come out of other nations. Facts!

The fact is , concerning the lion -England was a super power, France at one time had a good amount of power as did Germany, as did the "Holy" Roman empire, as does America, Russia and China. Facts!
Persia, concerning Iran today , so forth and so on gets it strength and backing from those set up Kabbalah Vision scenarios. Besides America, China is Iran's greatest supporter, second to only Russia. China for a while it has adopted Iran as a daughter but with Russia's strength Russia will will come to acquire it and a Saudi Prince will be at the helm of it as a king.
Hence, the bones in the Bears mouth, means it will have the bone nations after having devoured much flesh. Bone nations are nations that have no faith in the One True God revealed with Jesus Christ. Their foundations are atheist ( communist or muslim). Russia will defeat China.Don't trust the new's narrative of a cozy friendship. The Book of Daniel says ; " The kings of the north and south will come to the table with deceit in each man's heart". Self interest always in mind.

Say what you want, God as He said, is sovereign over the affairs of men. By you denying He has all the nations covered in His Holy written word by way of the prophets, simply shows you do not like what you are reading not that I am wrong. My interpretation perfectly supports God's sovereignty over all times, kingdom's rise and falls and the name of every nation of power revealed in riddles and symbols.

Like I said before, you don't have to agree, there is a God and He will let us know who is right. I'll bank however, with the names and players who have skin in the game concerning the middle east, I am right.
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@Hadassah concerning post #(10).

Well, not everyone had access to the Scripture in Christ's day. And Scripture was not given chapter and verses at that time. And, Jesus knew the Scripture , and could be trusted with Scripture, and, you're not Jesus. Unless you can give the Scripture for the basis for what you say, then it's just you talking.

Actually Bible prophecy can be complicated. You can google the whole Bible and still be ignorant of the Bible. One must be able to divide Scripture correctly, rightly. And unless you show your Scripture reference supporting your opinion, one cannot check, and should not accept what you're saying.

No. God gave Daniel the same dream as Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan. 2:19) He had to in order for Daniel to know it and tell it back to Nebuchadnezzar, and Daniel then gave the interpretation. What did I say, concerning the Scripture, that does not align with history? What did I say that was vague?

The point is that the nations you describe are not always identified as the Bible identifies them in (Daniel). For example, the 'Bear'. You say it's Russia. But I showed you that the 'Bear' is Medo-Persia. If you disagree, show me where my interpretation of the Scriptures I gave you is wrong. And show me in Scripture where the 'Bear' is Russia.

I do not deny God's sovereignty over the nations. Where did you get that?

I'm afraid we are derailing this thread. Perhaps the moderators could place our discussion into a thread of it's own. Just a thought.

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@Hadassah concerning post #(10).

Well, not everyone had access to the Scripture in Christ's day. And Scripture was not given chapter and verses at that time. And, Jesus knew the Scripture , and could be trusted with Scripture, and, you're not Jesus. Unless you can give the Scripture for the basis for what you say, then it's just you talking.

Actually Bible prophecy can be complicated. You can google the whole Bible and still be ignorant of the Bible. One must be able to divide Scripture correctly, rightly. And unless you show your Scripture reference supporting your opinion, one cannot check, and should not accept what you're saying.

No. God gave Daniel the same dream as Nebuchadnezzar. (Dan. 2:19) He had to in order for Daniel to know it and tell it back to Nebuchadnezzar, and Daniel then gave the interpretation. What did I say, concerning the Scripture, that does not align with history? What did I say that was vague?

The point is that the nations you describe are not always identified as the Bible identifies them in (Daniel). For example, the 'Bear'. You say it's Russia. But I showed you that the 'Bear' is Medo-Persia. If you disagree, show me where my interpretation of the Scriptures I gave you is wrong. And show me in Scripture where the 'Bear' is Russia.

I do not deny God's sovereignty over the nations. Where did you get that?

I'm afraid we are derailing this thread. Perhaps the moderators could place our discussion into a thread of it's own. Just a thought.

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I never said I was Jesus. I said I am speaking to people who read scripture. You know exactly what I am saying, disagreeing is another thing. I did show you in scripture the Bear, you know it is in the Book of Daniel. I said it is Russia, you simply disagree , that is fine. I disagree with you as well and that is fine too.

How about this, when you see Russia go right through then you will know I am right. To say I am wrong when it is a fact that historically Russia has always been seen as a bear , is disingenuous. In the least you have to agree it is possible because it is a nuclear super power and there is talk out of Russia of nuclear retaliation against America and NATO. I mean really, come on!

As I said, I gave more than enough proof for my argument. Anyone with basic knowledge of history knows I could be right. Did Alexander the Great exist? Was his reign short? Did the Silk Road become a major trade hub during his reign? Does the Silk Road lead to China? Is not Xi one of that Chinese king's linage through whom the Silk Road came to be? Has China, in its history ever been more powerful than it is now? No! Does Russia and China share the same land mass? Are they north and south of each other? Yes! Are they not kings? Speaking of that, are they not east of Israel? Is the Euphrates drying up? Could they be the kings of the east as well ? The Book of Revelation speaks of the Euphrates drying up as do other biblical passages.

I don't take myself as seriously as you may take yourself. I don't mind being corrected. However, that is not what you are doing. You are simply saying disingenuous statements when the fact is, with historical evidence I, in the least, point out interesting historical correlations to the scriptures . At most, I am right.

Again, I never said I am Jesus, claiming to be like ( as all children of God become) is not saying I am, I AM.
 

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If moderators want to move these responses that is fine. To say they are not relevant to the OP, not true. It pertains to the Ukraine, America, NATO, Israel and the Russia issue. I think scripture puts all in perspective. Maybe, no one but me likes the perspective. If removed, it is enough for me that I believe. Afterall, scripture states " God does nothing without first revealing His plans to His prophets". He also says once they know; " What I tell you in secret shout it from the roof tops" I quite literally do via internet signals from my rooftop to yours. We are also told with those charges, to not fear those who could kill the body rather fear God who can destroy both body and soul. He shares His plans with His sons and daughters who will prophesy and old men who dream-dreams.
 

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Huh. Do you have an article to support this? Personally, I don't stand with the government of Ukraine. I stand with the dupped and displaced people who are victims of this agenda. I don't care what NATO's reason is for taking on the Bear of the Book of Daniel. It is insanity!

This is the forum on politics. Not on prophecy or scripture. I didn't read any of replies because they didn't answer my question.

Whatever God wills to happen will happen. We are to wait for His return, preach the Gospel and make disciple of Christ. That is our charge and our calling. If the Ukraine/Russia war is the beginning of the end of the age then so be it. Even so come quickly, Lord Jesus.

My question was political in nature.

The fact is the US has "given" Ukraine thousands of Javelin anti-tank missiles, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, artillery, small arms, drones, and even a few M-1 Tanks. We (the USA) are currently training Ukraine Pilots how to fly F-16's. All of that equipment was manufactured in the United States by US citizens. Here is an old article. (published in 2022). I'm sure the list has grown dramatically since this was published.

Here is a more recent article. Of the money spent on Ukraine 35% has gone to prop up Ukraine's economy. 65% has went to direct aide, training, and weapons.

Many people complain about giving Ukraine billions of dollars in aid. i think many of these people think we are writing checks to Ukraine that they can spend however they want. While that may be partially true. There is still a ton of checks being written to US Defense Contractors.

I'm sure that there is waste and fraud. There always is.
 
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So someone is profiting off a war? It's still not something I'd like to support.
So you are okay with letting Russia overtake Ukraine?

Companies (and people) always profit off war. Especially a war in someone else's country. US companies and citizens made a ton of money off WW II. That doesn't mean waging the war was unjust.

The real question is "Should we come to another countries aide when they have been attacked"?
 

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This is the forum on politics. Not on prophecy or scripture. I didn't read any of replies because they didn't answer my question.

Whatever God wills to happen will happen. We are to wait for His return, preach the Gospel and make disciple of Christ. That is our charge and our calling. If the Ukraine/Russia war is the beginning of the end of the age then so be it. Even so come quickly, Lord Jesus.

My question was political in nature.

The fact is the US has "given" Ukraine thousands of Javelin anti-tank missiles, Bradley Fighting Vehicles, artillery, small arms, drones, and even a few M-1 Tanks. We (the USA) are currently training Ukraine Pilots how to fly F-16's. All of that equipment was manufactured in the United States by US citizens. Here is an old article. (published in 2022). I'm sure the list has grown dramatically since this was published.

Here is a more recent article. Of the money spent on Ukraine 35% has gone to prop up Ukraine's economy. 65% has went to direct aide, training, and weapons.

Many people complain about giving Ukraine billions of dollars in aid. i think many of these people think we are writing checks to Ukraine that they can spend however they want.
Understood. If I may, isn't everything I posted geopolitical? Just because it was told ahead of time doesn't mean it is not political news. Sorry if I offended your sensitivities, that was not my intention. I'm just saying, today's news was told thousands of years ago. My point is, you mention Russia, I point out that the Bear ( who I believe Russia to be) is being provoked. I say that based on Daniel's description of the position of the Bear. So, not for anything but the political headline today has been addressed by yesterday's prophets. It may be new, news to you, it is old news to me. Blessings!
 

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So you are okay with letting Russia overtake Ukraine?
The sad truth, however, is that Russia will "overtake" (i.e. defeat) Ukraine regardless of whether we send more money and equipment...or not.

Putin is willing to throw whatever resources are needed for victory at this war effort, and Ukraine simply cannot keep up. In fact, she barely is hanging on as it is, and this despite a heroic effort earlier on, when she had the troops necessary to accomplish that.
 

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So you are okay with letting Russia overtake Ukraine?

Companies (and people) always profit off war. Especially a war in someone else's country. US companies and citizens made a ton of money off WW II. That doesn't mean waging the war was unjust.

The real question is "Should we come to another countries aide when they have been attacked"?
My question is why were they attacked?
 

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The sad truth, however, is that Russia will "overtake" (i.e. defeat) Ukraine regardless of whether we send more money and equipment...or not.

Putin is willing to throw whatever resources are needed for victory at this war effort, and Ukraine simply cannot keep up. In fact, she barely is hanging on as it is, and this despite a heroic effort earlier on, when she had the troops necessary to accomplish that.
If I may, I agree with your assessment. Let me ask you. What was the agreement with Putin NATO was suppose to stick to? What were the boundaries and stipulations? Thanks!
 

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I never said I was Jesus. I said I am speaking to people who read scripture. You know exactly what I am saying, disagreeing is another thing. I did show you in scripture the Bear, you know it is in the Book of Daniel. I said it is Russia, you simply disagree , that is fine. I disagree with you as well and that is fine too.

How about this, when you see Russia go right through then you will know I am right. To say I am wrong when it is a fact that historically Russia has always been seen as a bear , is disingenuous. In the least you have to agree it is possible because it is a nuclear super power and there is talk out of Russia of nuclear retaliation against America and NATO. I mean really, come on!

As I said, I gave more than enough proof for my argument. Anyone with basic knowledge of history knows I could be right. Did Alexander the Great exist? Was his reign short? Did the Silk Road become a major trade hub during his reign? Does the Silk Road lead to China? Is not Xi one of that Chinese king's linage through whom the Silk Road came to be? Has China, in its history ever been more powerful than it is now? No! Does Russia and China share the same land mass? Are they north and south of each other? Yes! Are they not kings? Speaking of that, are they not east of Israel? Is the Euphrates drying up? Could they be the kings of the east as well ? The Book of Revelation speaks of the Euphrates drying up as do other biblical passages.

I don't take myself as seriously as you may take yourself. I don't mind being corrected. However, that is not what you are doing. You are simply saying disingenuous statements when the fact is, with historical evidence I, in the least, point out interesting historical correlations to the scriptures . At most, I am right.

Again, I never said I am Jesus, claiming to be like ( as all children of God become) is not saying I am, I AM.

I read Scripture and Scripture is against you. And I asked you to prove otherwise, and you don't, because you can't. And no, you didn't show me that Russia in the book of Daniel is the 'Bear'. As I proved, (Dan. 7:5) identifies Medo-Persia as the 'Bear'. It is the second metal of (Dan. 2:39). The second beast, the 'Bear' in (Dan. 7:5). It is identified specifically in (Dan. 8:20-21) as Medo-Persia being conquered by the third metal/kingdom, Greece. Just as it happened 'historically'.

When you want to exercise certain 'authority' of just saying something and people should believe because you said it, you take on an authority that is not yours to take. Jesus certainly had that authority, you do not. You must base your opinions on Scripture and show how you arrived at that. Which, so far, you refuse to do, and most likely because you can't do.

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