Nikki Haley's next move

[Albion]

My point is that 2022 MAGA candidates getting swept (in places they should have easily won) shows that Trumps populism isn't sustainable. Georgia's republican governor, who Trump bashed constantly, easily won re-election. Hershel Walker, who Trump campaigned for, got handily beat. It was the same voters uses the same voting machines. A large number of people chose the non-MAGA Republican while not voting for the MAGA Republican. Trumps hand picked Candidate, Dr. Oz, couldn't beat a man who had a stroke and could barely talk.

Trump is dragging the Republican party down and cost the Party the majority in the Senate and a larger majority in the House. Good candidates who could win are being replaced by MAGA Candidates who can't win.

Sounds like you'd like to switch the discussion from the coming Presidential election to something else.

 

[Albion]

I think Republicans would get behind any of them. RINO or not. I also think they would win 60% or more of "swing voters". And I think without Trump in the race Democrats would not be near as enthusiastic in their support of Biden or the election in general.

Wishful thinking.

To be sure, most Republicans would get behind most of the people you've mentioned if that were the case, but Independents and disaffected Democrats would not, and there isn't any serious observer who doesn't think that the election will be close.

 

[Josiah]

None of the polls suggest that they can, and that has nothing to do with whether they are deserving or not.

Haley fares best against Biden as Republican contenders hold national leads

More still think their financial situation would be better under Trump than Biden.

www.cbsnews.com

This poll shows Haley and DeSantis both beating Biden. Haley by 8 points. Trump also beats him in the poll but only by 2 points, within the margin of error.


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[Lees]

My point is that 2022 MAGA candidates getting swept (in places they should have easily won) shows that Trumps populism isn't sustainable. Georgia's republican governor, who Trump bashed constantly, easily won re-election. Hershel Walker, who Trump campaigned for, got handily beat. It was the same voters uses the same voting machines. A large number of people chose the non-MAGA Republican while not voting for the MAGA Republican. Trumps hand picked Candidate, Dr. Oz, couldn't beat a man who had a stroke and could barely talk.

Trump is dragging the Republican party down and cost the Party the majority in the Senate and a larger majority in the House. Good candidates who could win are being replaced by MAGA Candidates who can't win.

Yet for all the forces against Trump, he is still the front runner. The Swamp (Democrat and Republican) doesn't like it. Yet his supporters still vote for him. That is what you don't like. He is the voters choice. Since he is the voters choice, the Republican party should get behind him instead of working against him. You and others should quit whining and get in line.

Midterm elections most always go against the incumbent. That is no revelation.

If Trump is dragging (draining) the Republican party down, then it needs to be drug down. He is the man for the time, if he lives.

Lees

 

[Lanman87]

Wishful thinking.

To be sure, most Republicans would get behind most of the people you've mentioned if that were the case, but Independents and disaffected Democrats would not, and there isn't any serious observer who doesn't think that the election will be close.

If it were anyone but Biden I might agree. Independents don't like Biden almost as much as they don't like Trump. And Democrats are more angry at Trump than they are happy with Biden. Biden's only chance is to keep Democrats mad at Trump.

One reason I think Haley would be a strong general election candidate is that she is a woman and a minority. That takes two "hate" issues against Republicans off that table at the very beginning. Plus, would just love the irony if the first woman President was a Pro-Life Republican. Being how much Democrats have demonized republicans as being anti-women and anti-minority.

 

[Lanman87]

Midterm elections most always go against the incumbent. That is no revelation.

Yes, and Biden was the incumbent. Republicans did terrible considering that fact and the blames falls at the feet of Trump.

 

[Lanman87]

Anyway, to get back to my original question.

I think Haley will continue to raise money and speak at functions in the early states for the next four years. She has proven that she can run a formidable campaign and it will be interesting to see what happens when Trump isn't around dominating everything.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Ted Cruz and Rubio start raising money again after the next mid-terms, along with Scott.

I think DeSantis is done.

 

[Albion]

Haley fares best against Biden as Republican contenders hold national leads

More still think their financial situation would be better under Trump than Biden.

www.cbsnews.com

This poll shows Haley and DeSantis both beating Biden. Haley by 8 points. Trump also beats him in the poll but only by 2 points, within the margin of error.


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You know, just before I read your post here, I realized that I'd been incorrect with the statement you quoted. Some of the polls do show Haley doing better than Trump.

The question would be whether or not she can get the nomination, and she certainly cannot.

IOW, talk about Haley as the Republican candidate means essentially nothing when it comes to whether or not people who consider themselves to be Republicans will be withholding their support for the Republican nominee, mainly because they don't care for his style. For certain, no complaints about the failed Biden administration ought to be forthcoming from any such Republican after he's cast a "half vote" for continuing the Biden administration by either boycotting the presidential choice on the ballot or choosing some third party candidate instead.

 

[Josiah]

You know, just before I read your post here, I realized that I'd been incorrect with the statement you quoted. Some of the polls do show Haley doing better than Trump.

The question would be whether or not she can get the nomination, and she certainly cannot.

And there we agree. I don't think Haley has a chance to get the nomination. And I think Trump will lose the general election. And we'll have 4 more years of Biden, and Trump will cry that actually he won cuz the whole world is against him and unfair to him.


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[Albion]

And there we agree. I don't think Haley has a chance to get the nomination. And I think Trump will lose the general election. And we'll have 4 more years of Biden, and Trump will cry that actually he won cuz the whole world is against him and unfair to him.


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Given the way the voting went, with all the last-minute changes in the election laws that everyone acknowledges, and that a few votes in only a handful of states could have changed things, and that the losing Dem presidential candidates in recent memory likewise challenged the outcomes of those races...

I feel that too much is made of this particular charge against Trump.

Nevertheless, I am sympathetic to some of the criticisms levelled at Trump, and I do not know how I'll vote this year. But THAT one and also the fact that he should shut up more often won't be the deciding factors.

 

[Lanman87]

but I don't see thinking he cried that the whole election had been rigged

I think it was a strategic mistake. Regardless of what actually went on, once all paths forward in the courts had been used, then the best move would have been to step aside instead of trying to have the election changed on Jan 6th and lived to fight another day. He would be in a much better position today if he had conceded the election while at the same time making sure to make it clear he wasn't finished.

BTW-there is almost always election irregularities. I haven' seen any proof that it was enough to sway the election. Maybe in Pennsylvania but not in all the swing states he lost.

 

[Lanman87]

Sounds like you'd like to switch the discussion from the coming Presidential election to something else.

It's one of the reasons the Republican Party is making a mistake choosing Trump. He couldn't deliver in the midterms, which shows his weakness as a candidate.

 

[Albion]

BTW-there is almost always election irregularities. I haven' seen any proof that it was enough to sway the election. Maybe in Pennsylvania but not in all the swing states he lost.

Georgia and Arizona in addition. There's not much doubt about them being questionable after all that's come out since election day.

So if we let him off the hook, criticism-wise, for having pressed his point with just these three states--GA, AZ, and PA (which you referred to)--how much of a difference would a switch in these states make, excluding all the other states?

The answer is that there are more than enough Electoral College votes in just those three states to have changed the election outcome.

 

[Lanman87]

So if we let him off the hook, criticism-wise, for having pressed his point with just these three states--GA, AZ, and PA (which you referred to)--how much of a difference would a switch in these states make, excluding all the other states?

My problem was not him pressing the point. It was that when the courts ruled against him and all paths to staying President were gone he should have bowed out and accepted the decision of the courts. At that point he could have started running for reelection again without the cloud of January 6th hanging over him. His decision to keep fighting when there was no hope has cost him, and shows a lack of judgement.

 

[Lees]

Yes, and Biden was the incumbent. Republicans did terrible considering that fact and the blames falls at the feet of Trump.

Well, if Trump bears the blame for the 2022 midterms, then where does the blame fall for Trump being the front runner today? And that, amidst the constant harassment and attack of the swamp.

Again, Trump is the front runner. In other words, the voters approve. Who bears the blame for that?

Lees

 

[Lees]

Anyway, to get back to my original question.

I think Haley will continue to raise money and speak at functions in the early states for the next four years. She has proven that she can run a formidable campaign and it will be interesting to see what happens when Trump isn't around dominating everything.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Ted Cruz and Rubio start raising money again after the next mid-terms, along with Scott.

I think DeSantis is done.

You didn't have an original question. See post #(1)

Lees

 

[Lees]

My problem was not him pressing the point. It was that when the courts ruled against him and all paths to staying President were gone he should have bowed out and accepted the decision of the courts. At that point he could have started running for reelection again without the cloud of January 6th hanging over him. His decision to keep fighting when there was no hope has cost him, and shows a lack of judgement.

Yet Trump remains the front runner. Which bears witness against the decision of the 'courts'.

If there was no hope, why is Trump the front runner?

No, your problem is the voters approval of Trump.

Lees

 

[Lanman87]

You didn't have an original question. See post #(1)

Lees

The topic of the original post was Nikki Haley's next move. I was opening up dialogue on what she will do now that it is clear she isn't going to win the nomination.

 

[Lanman87]

If there was no hope, why is Trump the front runner?

I'm talking about the 2020 Election. When all the court options were gone and it was clear the election was not going to be overturned he should have conceded that there was no path to keep him in office. He shouldn't have taken part in the Jan 6th rally and left town quietly. That doesn't mean he had to agree that the election wasn't rigged. But by continuing his quest to overturn the Election he, and his staff, probably broke Federal Law and brought trouble on himself and, for that matter, the country as a whole.

We live in a nation of laws. Once it was clear that he would not keep the presidency (just or unjustly) he only made things worse by continuing to try and find "loopholes" that would allow him to stay in office. That strategy was bad judgement. It just makes it easier for Biden to keep Democrats fired up about beating him again.

My comment has nothing to do with him being the "front runner" for the Republican Nomination or the eventual outcome of the November Election.

 

[tango]

When did the media, and then people in general, start using the word "populism" to mean something sinister rather what it actually means, do you think?
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populism /pŏp′yə-lĭz″əm/

noun​

1. A political philosophy supporting the rights and power of the people in their struggle against the privileged elite.
   
   
   

Populism is bad. Especially right wing populism.

Populism is good when it's left wing populism. Tax the nasty rich people and gimmedat.