Turkish MP says that Israel "will suffer the wrath of Allah" and then immediately has a heart attack

[Stravinsk]

Loads of people who spoke against Jesus stayed alive, but Herod didn't. This made me think of that. I felt sorry for him, but many muslims may get saved because of it.

Judging by this:

Quotes from Arab and Islamic Leaders Regarding Jews and Israel

No, they won't. Anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish rhetoric is a regular feature in the Muslim world, even among it's leaders, with no coinciding heart attacks/deaths accompanying it. I doubt very few informed Muslims would draw the conclusions that God had anything to do with this man's death.

Interesting that you seem to equate "getting saved" with becoming a Zionist supporter.

 

[Lees]

Loads of people who spoke against Jesus stayed alive, but Herod didn't. This made me think of that. I felt sorry for him, but many muslims may get saved because of it.

Yes, Herod died several years later after Christ's death. He was bent on persecuting the Church. (Acts 12:1) And when the people on a certain day attributed to him godly glory, God smote him on the spot. (12:22-23)

Note that this same Herod was allowed to live after he killed the infant males when Christ was born. (Matt. 2:16-18) And, after he killed John the Baptist, he still lived. (Mark 6:27-28) And, instead of freeing Christ when he could have, he dressed Him in royal apparel and mocked Him and sent him to Pilate. (Luke 23:11-12) But it wasn't God's time to take him out.

Instead God waited, and let Herod dress himself in 'royal apparel, (Acts 12:21), and allowed him to give a great oration. For which those in attendance gave him godly glory. (12:21) And then God killed him. As Herod mocked Jesus, God mocked Herod in front of all.

Perfect timing. Makes you wonder what those in attendance thought of that? Just like with the Turkish MP.

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[Lees]

Judging by this:

Quotes from Arab and Islamic Leaders Regarding Jews and Israel

No, they won't. Anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish rhetoric is a regular feature in the Muslim world, even among it's leaders, with no coinciding heart attacks/deaths accompanying it. I doubt very few informed Muslims would draw the conclusions that God had anything to do with this man's death.

Interesting that you seem to equate "getting saved" with becoming a Zionist supporter.

The questions the Muslims must address is Allah really God? See again my post #(7). Is Allah responsible for his people's death? If he isn't he is not much of a god. So, why would Allah choose this timing, when the MP was preaching how Allah will destroy the Jews, to kill him? Surely Allah was displeased.

These are questions they should ask, but won't.

As far as equating being saved with being a Zionist supporter, yes. The Christian should have the same opinion of Israel and the Jews that God has, and has revealed to us in the Bible. The Christian should never be against Israel. And the Christian should always be against those who are against Israel.

See (Ps. 122)

My opinion

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[Lucian Hodoboc]

And, instead of freeing Christ when he could have

What would have happened if he had freed Jesus?

 

[Messy3]

Judging by this:

Quotes from Arab and Islamic Leaders Regarding Jews and Israel

No, they won't. Anti-Zionist, anti-Jewish rhetoric is a regular feature in the Muslim world, even among it's leaders, with no coinciding heart attacks/deaths accompanying it. I doubt very few informed Muslims would draw the conclusions that God had anything to do with this man's death.

Interesting that you seem to equate "getting saved" with becoming a Zionist supporter.

You don't know if they won't. I saw comments from atheists who were impressed and wondered if God existed after all. I heard that 200 muslim men from Gaza got dreams from Jesus by the way and got saved.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

I heard that 200 muslim men from Gaza got dreams from Jesus by the way and got saved.

Yeah, that has been debunked: TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[Messy3]

Yeah, that has been debunked: TikTok - Make Your Day

I don't see where he debunks it. There's one source and he doesn't think it's true. He thinks they would be outgoing about their christianity too. Could be but they have to watch out for persecution. It's underground churches. Anyway it happens all the time. There are so many testimonies of muslims seeing Jesus in a dream.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

but they have to watch out for persecution.

Why? Didn't Jesus tell people that those who lose their lives for His sake will find it? The idea of underground churches is an oxymoron. If Jesus promises eternal life to those who are bold about their faith in Him, there should be no underground churches. They should boldly come out and proclaim what they believe. Why are they fearing physical death when Paradise and glory awaits them?

Personally, I do not have that type of faith. I admit it, after years of seeking God, I lack the faith necessary to give my life for a belief. But if they saw Jesus in a dream and reached the level of belief necessary to change their religion, then they should be looking forward to death, like the martyrs from the first centuries were.

 

[Messy3]

Why? Didn't Jesus tell people that those who lose their lives for His sake will find it? The idea of underground churches is an oxymoron. If Jesus promises eternal life to those who are bold about their faith in Him, there should be no underground churches. They should boldly come out and proclaim what they believe. Why are they fearing physical death when Paradise and glory awaits them?

Personally, I do not have that type of faith. I admit it, after years of seeking God, I lack the faith necessary to give my life for a belief. But if they saw Jesus in a dream and reached the level of belief necessary to change their religion, then they should be looking forward to death, like the martyrs from the first centuries were.

Even they prayed to get Peter out of prison. Even Jesus didn't want to die. If there's no other choice so be it, but rather not.

 

[Lees]

What would have happened if he had freed Jesus?

Your question is incomplete. Go ahead and ask what you really want to.

As to answer your incomplete question, Jesus would have been freed.

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[Lucian Hodoboc]

What do you think my question requires in order for it to be complete?

What would Jesus have done once freed by Herod? Would He continue His ministry and be captured by the Romans again under the same accusations?

Here's another question: what would have happened if Herod had witnessed Jesus' miracles and considered them as sufficient proof of Jesus' Messiahship, leading him to give his throne to Jesus?

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Even they prayed to get Peter out of prison. Even Jesus didn't want to die. If there's no other choice so be it, but rather not.

Sounds irrational to me. It's like having a type of chronic pain that can be treated via surgery. Yes, surgery is an unpleasant experience, but once the wound heals, your chronic pain is gone and you can enjoy a better quality of life. Why would you choose to postpone the surgery?

Same thing with dying, if you're 100% convinced that you're going to Paradise after the physical death. Why would you choose to endure the troubles of this world? Saint Paul said that he longed to be with The Lord (in Paradise, I assume) instead of being here in this Earthly body.

 

[Messy3]

Sounds irrational to me. It's like having a type of chronic pain that can be treated via surgery? Yes, surgery is an unpleasant experience, but once the wound heals, your chronic pain is gone and you can enjoy a better quality of life. Why would you choose to postpone the surgery?

Same thing with dying, if you're 100% convinced that you're going to Paradise after the physical death. Why would you choose to endure the troubles of this world? Saint Paul said that he longed to be with The Lord (in Paradise, I assume) instead of being here in this Earthly body.

They may want to stay to share the Gospel and get their family and friends saved or just care for them. If it's painless and God's will I think most wouldn't care. What you say reminds me of those Chinese orphan kids who saw heaven. They really hoped that not one of them would die, because the others would be jealous. But getting murdered is not something most look forward to. A painless rapture sure.
Ian Mc Cormack who was dead and saw Jesus could chose to come into heaven or go back and he chose to get back for his mother, because he had been atheist and got saved last minute and she would have thought he hadn't made it.

 

[Lees]

What do you think my question requires in order for it to be complete?

What would Jesus have done once freed by Herod? Would He continue His ministry and be captured by the Romans again under the same accusations?

Here's another question: what would have happened if Herod had witnessed Jesus' miracles and considered them as sufficient proof of Jesus' Messiahship, leading him to give his throne to Jesus?

I answered your question. But, see, that did not satisfy you. Why? Because you really are asking more.

You're focused on what didn't happen. You can go down that rabbit hole all day long. Just make up your own story. Write your own bible. Save yourself.

The Christian focuses on what did happen as recorded in the Bible.

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