Israel/Palestinian conflict

[Stravinsk]

Over 3.5 hours of content

…are israel the real terrorists?
…israel who are the real terrorists?

Content includes (but not limited to):

Context of Palestinian life (current and past under Israeli rule)
Commentary of Jews (Israeli and non-Israeli) who do not believe their government and/or sanction what is going on now
Some extended footage showing some western media clips to be fake (CNN footage, others)

 

[Albion]

…are israel the real terrorists?
…israel who are the real terrorists?

Content includes (but not limited to):

Context of Palestinian life (current and past under Israeli rule)
Commentary of Jews (Israeli and non-Israeli) who do not believe their government and/or sanction what is going on now
Some extended footage showing some western media clips to be fake (CNN footage, others)

I've thought for awhile that the word terrorist has lost all its meaning in today's world.

Everyone's a "terrorist" in the mind of somebody or other, including people who dare to speak at local school board meetings and just about any society that is said to be unfair towards some residents in any way.

 

[Lees]

The important point being: know the side you're on and ignore the propaganda and politically correct jargon of the other side.

Reject the other sides efforts to demonize you. Stand for what you believe.

Be loyal to you and your people.

Lees

 

[Angel Michael]

Let's not forget even Israel people riot against the attack itself. This tells you enough who is the problem here.

 

[Lees]

Let's not forget even Israel people riot against the attack itself. This tells you enough who is the problem here.

That's interesting. You make the problem a 'who'. Shows your hatred for the Jewish people. Which doesn't bother me, but you are quick to point out others 'prejudices'.

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

That's interesting. You make the problem a 'who'. Shows your hatred for the Jewish people. Which doesn't bother me, but you are quick to point out others 'prejudices'.

Lees

It is actually a "who", but it's not the people who call themselves Jews, per se. The Synagogue of Satan is described by Christ as "those who call themselves Jews but are not". At face value, it comprises individuals who hide behind a Jewish label, perhaps even outwardly adhere to Jewish customs and religious festivals to outwardly mask darker intentions.

The Pharisees of Christ's day were an example of this. They disregarded/ interpreted the Law in favor of their Tradition(s). Those Traditions come in the form of the Talmud. Later, the Zohar and Kabballah.

I know you think that Islam is the enemy. Or an enemy. Let's assume this is true. What entity is responsible for Muslim migration to other nations? It's the same entity that displaces Muslims to begin with. How do Muslims get displaced? By war. By stealing their homes. By forcing or encouraging them to migrate to other nations as refugees or the promise of an easy life.

What primary entity is responsible for this? Those who call themselves "Jews".

Have a look at the video in this thread I started. Make sure to watch past the credits. Here you will find testimony of so called Jew intention - to eradicate culture, race and unity of people's - so that a ruling class will ultimately be accepted by the world. That ruling class will not honor your Christian holidays and festivals, they will not honor Christ as the Son of God - because Rabbinic Judaism rejects Christ, and therefore will reject all who claim Christ.

Das Fuhrer is Reborn and is now an anti-racist multiculturalist!

 

[Lees]

It is actually a "who", but it's not the people who call themselves Jews, per se. The Synagogue of Satan is described by Christ as "those who call themselves Jews but are not". At face value, it comprises individuals who hide behind a Jewish label, perhaps even outwardly adhere to Jewish customs and religious festivals to outwardly mask darker intentions.

The Pharisees of Christ's day were an example of this. They disregarded/ interpreted the Law in favor of their Tradition(s). Those Traditions come in the form of the Talmud. Later, the Zohar and Kabballah.

I know you think that Islam is the enemy. Or an enemy. Let's assume this is true. What entity is responsible for Muslim migration to other nations? It's the same entity that displaces Muslims to begin with. How do Muslims get displaced? By war. By stealing their homes. By forcing or encouraging them to migrate to other nations as refugees or the promise of an easy life.

What primary entity is responsible for this? Those who call themselves "Jews".

Have a look at the video in this thread I started. Make sure to watch past the credits. Here you will find testimony of so called Jew intention - to eradicate culture, race and unity of people's - so that a ruling class will ultimately be accepted by the world. That ruling class will not honor your Christian holidays and festivals, they will not honor Christ as the Son of God - because Rabbinic Judaism rejects Christ, and therefore will reject all who claim Christ.

Das Fuhrer is Reborn and is now an anti-racist multiculturalist!

When you move into the arena of who is a true Jew and who is not, you are in a place where you can't know. God knows. Jesus Christ, as the God/Man would know. Many of the Pharisees later believed on Christ and were saved. (Acts 15:5) Just as many Jews who did not believe before Christ's death, would later believe. (Acts 2:22, 2:36, 2:41)

Though there may be some Jews who knowingly pretend to be followers of Judaism but are not , I think that number would be very few. As i said, it is God and Christ Who alone know. In other words, I'm sure there were Jews in the crowd that cried for Jesus to be crucified, who God knew were true Jews. He knew they were His people and they would later turn to Him. Both those who were the true Jews and those who were not the true Jews, were born Jews after the flesh. But that isn't enough. One must be a child of promise. (Rom. 9:6-9) So the true Jew is a Jew by birth and a child of promise.

That race of Jews are the chosen race by God. From them came the Law, and the Prophets, and Jesus Christ. And from them will come the future blessings upon this earth. That doesn't change. It is promised by God. It doesn't matter that they, at present, as a nation, cannot see Christ as their Messiah. For their rejection of Christ, they are under a judicial blindness from God. (Rom. 11:25) But the blessings of God upon the earth are going to come from the Jewish people.

I know Islam is the/an enemy. It's hatred for the Jews is spiritually motivated, as is any who hate the Jews for just being Jews. Islam has taken the truths found in the Bible and perverted them and changed them to benefit Arab peoples. The Jews Bible is still the true Bible. Their Bible, our Old Testament, is still true though they as a nation are in unbelief. But Islam has created it's own Bible out of hell. They are enemies of Jews and Christians and everyone who is not Islamic.

It doesn't matter why the Muslim migrates. The Muslim's goal in whatever country he lives in is to bring that country under Shariah Law. The Muslim's goal is to take over whatever country they are in. And then force the people to submit to Shariah Law. The Jews know it. The West is learning it, but for some, it's too late.

There will come a day when Israel and the Church are both the people of God. But there will never come a day when Islam is.

I'm not interested in a video.

Lees

 

[Angel Michael]

It is actually a "who", but it's not the people who call themselves Jews, per se. The Synagogue of Satan is described by Christ as "those who call themselves Jews but are not". At face value, it comprises individuals who hide behind a Jewish label, perhaps even outwardly adhere to Jewish customs and religious festivals to outwardly mask darker intentions.

The Pharisees of Christ's day were an example of this. They disregarded/ interpreted the Law in favor of their Tradition(s). Those Traditions come in the form of the Talmud. Later, the Zohar and Kabballah.

I know you think that Islam is the enemy. Or an enemy. Let's assume this is true. What entity is responsible for Muslim migration to other nations? It's the same entity that displaces Muslims to begin with. How do Muslims get displaced? By war. By stealing their homes. By forcing or encouraging them to migrate to other nations as refugees or the promise of an easy life.

What primary entity is responsible for this? Those who call themselves "Jews".

Have a look at the video in this thread I started. Make sure to watch past the credits. Here you will find testimony of so called Jew intention - to eradicate culture, race and unity of people's - so that a ruling class will ultimately be accepted by the world. That ruling class will not honor your Christian holidays and festivals, they will not honor Christ as the Son of God - because Rabbinic Judaism rejects Christ, and therefore will reject all who claim Christ.

Das Fuhrer is Reborn and is now an anti-racist multiculturalist!

You talk about Zionists, who act like jews, but are not.

 

[prism]

Let's not forget even Israel people riot against the attack itself. This tells you enough who is the problem here.

So, 'who' is the problem?
We have 22 Arab nations and only 1 Jewish nation
The Palestinians are actually Arabs and yet none of their Arab 'brothers' will take them in. Why not?
Instead they and the whole world tries to force Israel into a so called 'Two State Solution'.

Here are some Scriptures to consider.

Genesis 16:5,11-12 NKJV
Then Sarai said to Abram, "My wrong be upon you! I gave my maid into your embrace; and when she saw that she had conceived, I became despised in her eyes. The LORD judge between you and me." [11] And the Angel of the LORD said to her: "Behold, you are with child, And you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has heard your affliction. [12] He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

Zechariah 12:3 NKJV
And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.

Jeremiah 16:14-15 NKJV
"Therefore behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "that it shall no more be said, 'The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,' [15] but, 'The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.' For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers.

I don't think the world wants to admit that Israel belongs to God and He has given it to Abraham and his descendents through Isaac, not Ishmael...

Ezekiel 36:24 NKJV
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

 

[Stravinsk]

So, 'who' is the problem?
We have 22 Arab nations and only 1 Jewish nation.

The Palestinians are actually Arabs and yet none of their Arab 'brothers' will take them in. Why not?
Instead they and the whole world tries to force Israel into a so called 'Two State Solution'.

The Palestinians don't want to leave, most of them. It has been their home for many generations. As for "forcing" it was Israel, a nation, that was forced on the people of Palestine first, and the also the whole world. It is Israel, backed by the West, that has been doing the forcing, for over 70 years, of Palestinians out of their homes, for being murdered, for severely restricting their lives and how they can move about...even whether they can get food and water. Now they are being mass murdered by Israel.

Here are some Scriptures to consider.

Genesis 16:5,11-12 NKJV
Then Sarai said to Abram, "My wrong be upon you! I gave my maid into your embrace; and when she saw that she had conceived, I became despised in her eyes. The LORD judge between you and me." [11] And the Angel of the LORD said to her: "Behold, you are with child, And you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has heard your affliction. [12] He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

So because Ishmael was thus described, you obviously take it to mean everyone of his descendants is of the same disposition. Because...what? Race? Or because the television is always telling you about the scary murderous arabs?

Zechariah 12:3 NKJV
And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it.

What day is that? In Zech 9:9 we get a reference to Christ..and reading through to Zech 12:4 the people are riding *horses* in a conflict involving Jerusalem, Zech 12:5 refers to *Judah* which was only around 1/2 of the land, in Zech 12: 9 it mentions "nations" against Jerusalem - this only means "peoples", it is not necessarily "nations" how you and I would use the term, and finally in Zech 12:13 it's talking about the "house of Levi". Uh...is there a 'house of Levi' today??

Jeremiah 16:14-15 NKJV
"Therefore behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "that it shall no more be said, 'The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,' [15] but, 'The LORD lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.' For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers.

Refers to after the babylonian exile.

Ezekiel 36:24 NKJV
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

Which already happened, twice.

 

[Messy3]

They can just keep living there if they get rid of Hamas. Hamas is not fighting for the Palestinian cause. Hamas wants to take over the world. They abuse the case of the Palestinians.

 

[Stravinsk]

They can just keep living there if they get rid of Hamas. Hamas is not fighting for the Palestinian cause. Hamas wants to take over the world. They abuse the case of the Palestinians.

Avraham Primor, former Israeli diplomat: Hamas is the Israeli government

View Avraham Primor, former Israeli diplomat: Hamas is the Israeli government on Odysee

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Germans want to ....
Hamas wants to ...
Saddam Hussein wants to...

"take over the world".

The Christian, always looking for the new Anti-Christ.
The Jew, always projecting one for the Christian to believe.

The Zionist...always looking for a way to excuse mass murder, while secretly wishing for it.

 

[Messy3]

Avraham Primor, former Israeli diplomat: Hamas is the Israeli government

View Avraham Primor, former Israeli diplomat: Hamas is the Israeli government on Odysee

odysee.com

Germans want to ....
Hamas wants to ...
Saddam Hussein wants to...

"take over the world".

The Christian, always looking for the new Anti-Christ.
The Jew, always projecting one for the Christian to believe.

The Zionist...always looking for a way to excuse mass murder, while secretly wishing for it.

This is the son of a co founder of Hamas.
And by the way how hypocrit to say the Jews have to leave Israel and are evil occupiers. Then kick out all European offspring from America, Canada and Australia too and give it back to the Aboriginals and native Americans and Canadians.

Israel-Hamas war: Son of Hamas founder warns that his father seeks to 'annihilate’ the Jews’ and establish Sharia law - Times of India

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, has defected from the group and served as an Israeli spy for a decade. He has expressed concerns about Hamas's goal to eliminate Jewish people and establish sharia law worldwide. Yousef revealed that Hamas is a religious...

www.google.com

 

[Lees]

The Palestinians don't want to leave, most of them. It has been their home for many generations. As for "forcing" it was Israel, a nation, that was forced on the people of Palestine first, and the also the whole world. It is Israel, backed by the West, that has been doing the forcing, for over 70 years, of Palestinians out of their homes, for being murdered, for severely restricting their lives and how they can move about...even whether they can get food and water. Now they are being mass murdered by Israel.


So because Ishmael was thus described, you obviously take it to mean everyone of his descendants is of the same disposition. Because...what? Race? Or because the television is always telling you about the scary murderous arabs?


What day is that? In Zech 9:9 we get a reference to Christ..and reading through to Zech 12:4 the people are riding *horses* in a conflict involving Jerusalem, Zech 12:5 refers to *Judah* which was only around 1/2 of the land, in Zech 12: 9 it mentions "nations" against Jerusalem - this only means "peoples", it is not necessarily "nations" how you and I would use the term, and finally in Zech 12:13 it's talking about the "house of Levi". Uh...is there a 'house of Levi' today??


Refers to after the babylonian exile.


Which already happened, twice.

What the Palestinians want really doesn't matter to God. Just like it didn't matter what the Canaanites wanted when God first brought Israel into the land. See the book of (Joshua).

Yes the West was used by God to bring Israel back to the land. Just like Cyrus was used by God to bring the Jews back in the 5th century. (Ezra 1:1-4) And like Nebuchadnezzar was used to promote the truth of the God of Israel. (Daniel 3:29-30)

Yes, (Gen. 16:11-12) describe all of Ishamael's descendants. Because, yes, race. Because God so declared.

That day in (Zech. 12:1-3) refers to the final 'Day of the Lord' as the Gentile nations come against Israel. (Zech. 12-14) are one prophecy culminating in the conversion of the Jews and Christ's return.

(Jer. 16:14-16) goes beyond the Babyonian captivity. It ends in the Gentiles recognizing the God of Israel. (Zech. 16:17-21) This occurs in the last days when the 'Times of the Gentiles' ends.

(Ezekiel 36) is about God restoring and cleansing Israel from their sins, and bringing them into the New Covenant. (36:24-28) That hasn't happened yet. But it will.

Lees

 

[prism]

The Palestinians don't want to leave, most of them. It has been their home for many generations. As for "forcing" it was Israel, a nation, that was forced on the people of Palestine first, and the also the whole world. It is Israel, backed by the West, that has been doing the forcing, for over 70 years, of Palestinians out of their homes, for being murdered, for severely restricting their lives and how they can move about...even whether they can get food and water. Now they are being mass murdered by Israel.

Why not blame the UN and their partition plan of 1947? All 11 Muslim States were against it, Russia and the U.S. were for it.Why blame the Jews? It was a 1947 style Two State solution. lol

As far as the Palestinian-Arabs not wanting to leave, why can't there be just one Jewish State? There are already 22 Arab States, but apparantly none of the 22 Arab States will take in their Arab brethren. (I keep asking this, hoping for an answer).
Besides under the Davidic Rule, all the enemies of Israel had been cleared out, so how can you say the Arabs are indigenous to the Land?

 

[prism]

So because Ishmael was thus described, you obviously take it to mean everyone of his descendants is of the same disposition. Because...what? Race? Or because the television is always telling you about the scary murderous arabs?

I never said 'every one', that is your assumption. Generally speaking though the Scriptures (not TV)mentions the disposition of Ishmael's Race/lineage.

 

[prism]

Which already happened, twice.

Ezekiel 36:24 NKJV
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

If you believe the Scriptures as God's Word. notice God calls it 'your land', meaning the Jews.
BTW, this prophesy is in reference to the nations which God had scattered them to after 70AD and 140AD.

 

[Stravinsk]

This is the son of a co founder of Hamas.
And by the way how hypocrit to say the Jews have to leave Israel and are evil occupiers. Then kick out all European offspring from America, Canada and Australia too and give it back to the Aboriginals and native Americans and Canadians.

Israel-Hamas war: Son of Hamas founder warns that his father seeks to 'annihilate’ the Jews’ and establish Sharia law - Times of India

Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of Hamas founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, has defected from the group and served as an Israeli spy for a decade. He has expressed concerns about Hamas's goal to eliminate Jewish people and establish sharia law worldwide. Yousef revealed that Hamas is a religious...

www.google.com

Jews lived in Palestine before it was Israel. Peacefully, with Muslims and Christians. They don't have to leave. But since they have the backing of the West and a belief among Zionists (Christian Zionists too, of which you are one) to be a "Jewish State" - they practice without accounting all kinds of evils on the non-Jewish Palestinians and have been for 70 years. At least in America and Canada and Australia there still are native peoples. I can speak for Australia especially, there are numerous Aboriginals that have control over large sections of land and get government benefits.

 

[Stravinsk]

Why not blame the UN and their partition plan of 1947? All 11 Muslim States were against it, Russia and the U.S. were for it.Why blame the Jews? It was a 1947 style Two State solution. lol

As far as the Palestinian-Arabs not wanting to leave, why can't there be just one Jewish State? There are already 22 Arab States, but apparantly none of the 22 Arab States will take in their Arab brethren. (I keep asking this, hoping for an answer).
Besides under the Davidic Rule, all the enemies of Israel had been cleared out, so how can you say the Arabs are indigenous to the Land?

Because Partition plans mean nothing when the tenets of those plans aren't abided by. Israel hasn't been abiding by any separation of land between them and the non-Jewish, they have kept taking more and more over since the original plan.

Interesting you want so much for there to be a "Jewish State", but I bet if hmmm...say...GERMANY wanted to be a GERMAN state with no jews, no non-Germans or minimal ethnic groups besides ethnic Germans....that would be racist right?

Don't want to put words in your mouth here but typically westerners bemoan the evils of Germany kicking out Jews, restricting/forbidding them in several areas, but it's just fine and dandy when "Israel" does the exact same thing to non-Jews. But oh that's right. Many modern Christians are Zionists and almost worship the so called "chosen people".

Not sure what you mean by 'enemies of Israel' under Davidic Rule. Does being an Arab immediately qualify a person as an 'enemy'? Talk about racism, sheesh.

 

[Stravinsk]

Ezekiel 36:24 NKJV
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.

If you believe the Scriptures as God's Word. notice God calls it 'your land', meaning the Jews.
BTW, this prophesy is in reference to the nations which God had scattered them to after 70AD and 140AD.

I'll play along.

"If you believe the Scriptures are God's Word. Notice...."

Ezekiel 37: 11-12
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

So when exactly did God open the Jews graves, cause them to rise from their graves, and bring them into the land of Israel? If this is a metaphor (which you will argue undoubtedly), where is the date that you are sure this is in reference to? In the side notes of the bible you read?