God - active in the Bible...inactive today by the Bible's examples.

[Stravinsk]

Compared to the OT (and even NT) - insofar as clear action from Heaven - the God of the Bible seems to be very inactive in our modern History. Or - He's changed his Modus operandi.

I had this conversation tonight - directing my words to God (that is, the God described in the OT/NT). Of course I got no answer, just silence.

The comparison. Sodom and Gomorrah. The people there were doing some evil stuff. Obviously they were practicing sexual immorality. What else? Apparently they wanted to have perverted sex with angels. Sounds bad. Not sure it's mentioned, but given that depravity who knows what they were doing to children as well.

The cry to heaven was heard and the cities were punished. Not through an army, through other people.....no - heaven answered and fire and brimstone destroyed the wickedness.

This fire and brimstone stuff from heaven is unheard of in our day...and in any of modern history. There's billions of more people around...and lots more sin. There's depravity, obviously, and has been for a long time. There's child sex trafficking. There are horrors that are practiced that many people just don't even want to know about.

And apparently - this no longer matters to God, based on His previous response. No fire and brimstone, no punishment. What am I to make of this? It's all bound up for Judgement Day? Because it seems to me that the cry to Heaven was heard over so few people compared to today, and I don't believe it was more wicked.

 

[Stravinsk]

Bumping thread because I really feel it's a valid question.

There were so fewer people in the world when God "heard the great outcry" Genesis 18:20 of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I don't imagine by any stretch of reason that in our population today the outcry is by countless more souls, vast dwarfing the population of Sodom/Gomorrah. Whatever the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were doing that constituted this "great outcry" - it can be nothing by the number of people either participating in, or victim to, the same sins.

And there is no fire and brimstone. Why not? I prayed to God tonight...asking Him to enlighten, condemn or whatever - me. Tell me. Why have YOU not acted? Does those people of that time matter more than the many multiples of people today? Should I repent for exercising my brain on the numbers? Why don't you answer?!!!

 

[Albion]

Compared to the OT (and even NT) - insofar as clear action from Heaven - the God of the Bible seems to be very inactive in our modern History. Or - He's changed his Modus operandi.

I had this conversation tonight - directing my words to God (that is, the God described in the OT/NT). Of course I got no answer, just silence.

People often expect to hear voices or see a vision, when for all they know God has heard and does intervene to make possible what it was that the petitioner prayed about.

In my own life, I feel that this occurred many times even though I hadn't had a two-way conversation with God, and, for that matter, neither does the Bible say that we will if we pray.

 

[Lees]

Compared to the OT (and even NT) - insofar as clear action from Heaven - the God of the Bible seems to be very inactive in our modern History. Or - He's changed his Modus operandi.

I had this conversation tonight - directing my words to God (that is, the God described in the OT/NT). Of course I got no answer, just silence.

So you had a conversation with God who you reject. He proabably didn't hear you.

Lees

 

[Messy3]

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[Stravinsk]

So you had a conversation with God who you reject. He proabably didn't hear you.

Lees

No person on this earth talks to a deity they reject. No more than I pray to Santa Claus, Atete, or Zoroaster.

However, it is interesting that because I don't share your particular beliefs, you can continually bait me on this board and get away with it. I guess that's because you tick all the boxes, right? This is a message board, and I'm honest under this name. But anyone can play pretend on message boards because all we see are words.

 

[Messy3]

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[Lees]

No person on this earth talks to a deity they reject. No more than I pray to Santa Claus, Atete, or Zoroaster.

However, it is interesting that because I don't share your particular beliefs, you can continually bait me on this board and get away with it. I guess that's because you tick all the boxes, right? This is a message board, and I'm honest under this name. But anyone can play pretend on message boards because all we see are words.

Oh really? It is you who questioned the God of the Bible. It is you who expected the God of the Bible to answer you. So do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour? Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour?

If you don't share my beliefs, then you are not Christian. And you're not Christian by your own words.

Baiting you? How ironic.

What do you mean, 'I'm honest under this name'?

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

Oh really? It is you who questioned the God of the Bible.

Yes, I questioned Him. There is a ton of evil He doesn't seem to be doing anything about (per the biblical example I gave - Sodom and Gomorrah. )

It is you who expected the God of the Bible to answer you.

Yes, that's right. Imagine that, expecting an answer from a God you keep saying I don't believe in.

So do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour? Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour?

Ah, the key question. Which Jesus would that be, Lees? I'm wondering here, if the Jesus you're referring to carries a machine gun, drives a tank, wants to blow up the dome of the rock, completely massacre over 1 million Palestinians, mostly children, and also wants to axe blacks in the USA? Is THAT the Jesus you're referring to?

 

[Lees]

Yes, I questioned Him. There is a ton of evil He doesn't seem to be doing anything about (per the biblical example I gave - Sodom and Gomorrah. )

Yes, that's right. Imagine that, expecting an answer from a God you keep saying I don't believe in.


Ah, the key question. Which Jesus would that be, Lees? I'm wondering here, if the Jesus you're referring to carries a machine gun, drives a tank, wants to blow up the dome of the rock, completely massacre over 1 million Palestinians, mostly children, and also wants to axe blacks in the USA? Is THAT the Jesus you're referring to?

No, you say you don't believe in the God of the Bible. And yet you want a conversation. Oxymoronic.

I have told you already, Jesus Christ of the Bible. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour?

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

No, you say you don't believe in the God of the Bible. And yet you want a conversation. Oxymoronic.

It's actually you that keeps saying that.

I have told you already, Jesus Christ of the Bible. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour?

Lees

Oh! Jesus Christ *of the Bible*! So, this Jesus of the Bible, are His Teachings in line with wanting to destroy the dome of the rock, massacre over 1 million Palestinians and axe blacks in the USA? Does this Jesus of the Bible teach that "God's Chosen people" are those same people that had Him murdered, and of whom He said their father was the Devil?

 

[Lees]

It's actually you that keeps saying that.


Oh! Jesus Christ *of the Bible*! So, this Jesus of the Bible, are His Teachings in line with wanting to destroy the dome of the rock, massacre over 1 million Palestinians and axe blacks in the USA? Does this Jesus of the Bible teach that "God's Chosen people" are those same people that had Him murdered, and of whom He said their father was the Devil?

You didn't answer the question? Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour as declared in the Bible?

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

You didn't answer the question? Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour as declared in the Bible?

Lees

What's the matter Lees, can't answer my question on the "Jesus" you worship?

 

[Lees]

What's the matter Lees, can't answer my question on the "Jesus" you worship?

The Dome of the Rock wasn't there in Jesus day for Him to address. The war with of Israel with the Palestinians wasn't taking place for Him to address in His day. The destruction of the Dome of the Rock is in line with the teachings of the Bible. As a new Temple of the Jews must be rebuilt. (Ezekiel 40-48) And yes, the enemy of His chosen people, Israel, are an enemy of God. And Islam, which permeates the Arab peoples, is an enemy of God. And God has no problem destroying a total population of His enemies.

As far as 'His teachings' you must identify which ones. Much of what Jesus said was not addressed to the Church.

Yes, the same race of people who killed Jesus Christ are the chosen race of God. It doesn't matter that in that act many were influenced by Satan. It doesn't matter that many in that act were children of the devil. I have told you this already. (Matt. 16:23) Just as Peter was influenced by Satan.

So, again, my question. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour as declared in the Bible? Please quit avoiding the question.

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

The Dome of the Rock wasn't there in Jesus day for Him to address. The war with of Israel with the Palestinians wasn't taking place for Him to address in His day. The destruction of the Dome of the Rock is in line with the teachings of the Bible. As a new Temple of the Jews must be rebuilt. (Ezekiel 40-48) And yes, the enemy of His chosen people, Israel, are an enemy of God. And Islam, which permeates the Arab peoples, is an enemy of God. And God has no problem destroying a total population of His enemies.

As far as 'His teachings' you must identify which ones. Much of what Jesus said was not addressed to the Church.

Yes, the same race of people who killed Jesus Christ are the chosen race of God. It doesn't matter that in that act many were influenced by Satan. It doesn't matter that many in that act were children of the devil. I have told you this already. (Matt. 16:23) Just as Peter was influenced by Satan.

So, again, my question. Do you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Saviour as declared in the Bible? Please quit avoiding the question.

Lees

Thanks for clarifying. It is clear to me based on what you've written here and elsewhere that your Jesus (which I will call Lee-Jesus so as not to confuse it with Gospel-Jesus) is void of any moral guidance or character. Lee-Jesus doesn't know it's wrong to mass murder children and decimate whole civilian areas. Lee-Jesus *needs his temple* so that the Jews can start sacrificing animals again, basically turning the sacrifice of Gospel Jesus on it's head. Lee-Jesus couldn't possibly relate to Gospel Jesus in what Gospel Jesus said to the Jews, because Jews are super-humans according to Lee Jesus, being a special people, that btw, continually backslid, offered up their children to Moloch, and were cast to Babylon.

Clearly, I reject this Lee-Jesus version.

 

[Lamb]

I think that this is enough attacking of the Christian beliefs, so this thread will be closed now.