Oneness--coexistent modalism as the true Trinity

[justbyfaith]

I have already told you. There never has been a time when Jesus was not 'God the Son'. The 2nd Person of the Trinity. He always existed eternally with the Father, and Holy Spirit. Never begotten.

The Son, that 2nd Person of the Trinity, entered the human race at the incarnation, as the Man, Jesus Christ. He was still the Son. But He now was the Son as a Man. God the Son was not the Son because He was born into the family of man. Nor was God the Son the Son because of the Resurrection. Because the Son was never begotten.

At the Resurrection, the Son as the Man Jesus Christ was begotten of God. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33) Meaning Jesus Christ was literally born of God the Father. "This day have I begotten thee"

Yes, begotten means born of. "This day have I begotten thee" (Ps. 27) (Acts 13:33)

I just explained it.

Lees

So, when He was born of God the Father, He acquired Sonship, is what you are saying.

Clearly, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16); after the Cross, He is the firstbegotten (Hebrews 1:6).

You keep contradicting yourself, friend.

On the one hand you say that the Son was never begotten; then you turn around and say that the Son as the Man Christ Jesus was begotten of God at the resurrection.

Which one is it?

Was He begotten or never begotten?

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, begotten means born of.

What does it mean that Jesus was "born of" God at the resurrection?

Please expound on this idea and include everything that you can think of that describes this notion.

 

[Lees]

So, you appear to be believing that there are two Persons that can be identified as "the Son".

No. Not two Persons. One Person who at one time was Diety alone, that 2nd Person of the Godhead. But then that Person became a Man who we know as Jesus Christ. Meaning that One Person had now both a human and a Divine nature. The God/Man, Jesus Christ. And that man was begotten of the Father at the Resurrection.

Lees

 

[Lees]

So, when He was born of God the Father, He acquired Sonship, is what you are saying.

Clearly, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16); after the Cross, He is the firstbegotten (Hebrews 1:6).

You keep contradicting yourself, friend.

On the one hand you say that the Son was never begotten; then you turn around and say that the Son as the Man Christ Jesus was begotten of God at the resurrection.

Which one is it?

Was He begotten or never begotten?

I already told you. There never was a time when Jesus was not the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity. Ask me again and I will tell you the same thing.

'Only begotten' and 'first begotten' are titles. I already explained them to you. Quit trying to act smart. It makes you look stupid.

No, I haven't contradicted myself at all. God the Son was never begotten. The Son as the Man Jesus Christ was begotten at the Resurrection. Gee, that is so hard to understand.... (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

No. Not two Persons. One Person who at one time was Diety alone, that 2nd Person of the Godhead. But then that Person became a Man who we know as Jesus Christ. Meaning that One Person had now both a human and a Divine nature. The God/Man, Jesus Christ. And that man was begotten of the Father at the Resurrection.

Lees

So, again, what do you mean by "He was begotten at the resurrection"?

Are you saying that He ceased to dwell in human flesh?

 

[justbyfaith]

I already told you. There never was a time when Jesus was not the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity. Ask me again and I will tell you the same thing.

'Only begotten' and 'first begotten' are titles. I already explained them to you. Quit trying to act smart. It makes you look stupid.

No, I haven't contradicted myself at all. God the Son was never begotten. The Son as the Man Jesus Christ was begotten at the Resurrection. Gee, that is so hard to understand.... (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33)

Lees

But the Son as the Man Christ Jesus is also God the Son.

 

[Lees]

So, again, what do you mean by "He was begotten at the resurrection"?

Are you saying that He ceased to dwell in human flesh?

I have already told you.

No, I didn't say that.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

The Son as the Man Jesus Christ was begotten at the Resurrection.

Give an extensive message on what this means to you.

 

[Lees]

But the Son as the Man Christ Jesus is also God the Son.

Jesus Christ was always God the Son. But God the Son as a Man, Jesus Christ, was begotten at the Resurrection.

Lees

 

[justbyfaith]

But God the Son as a Man, Jesus Christ, was begotten at the Resurrection.

Please expound on this statement; including everything that you believe about it.

 

[justbyfaith]

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Oneness--coexistent modalism as the true Trinity

I have already explained. The Son always existed with the Father eteranlly. Not begotten. The Son as the Man, Jesus Christ, was begotten of God, at the Resurrection. (Ps. 2:7) (Acts 13:33) Lees Do you believe that the Man Christ Jesus was not the Son, or one with the Son, until after the...

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[justbyfaith]

Jesus Christ was always God the Son. But God the Son as a Man, Jesus Christ, was begotten at the Resurrection.

Lees

Jesus Christ became the Son when He was incarnated (and was God before that situation occurred).

Previous to that, He was "the Omnipresent, eternal Spirit who inhabiteth eternity (Isaiah 57:15) without flesh".

He is the Son in that He is come in flesh.

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes, three distinct Persons. One God.

So, you agree that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are the same Spirit (John 4:24, Ephesians 4:4).

 

[Lamb]

Closing for review. Flaming needs to stop.

Thread will remain closed.