Israel now at war

[Lees]

Yesterday Hamas made a major surprise attack on Israel killing many and taking prisoners. Netanyahu and Israel has retaliated. Netanyahu has said Israel is now in a state of war with Hamas.

Be a good time for some erring rocket to land on the Dome of the Rock.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Biden comes on TV just a little while ago and wants to boast how the U.S. is solidly behind Israel.

Sure you are Biden. That's why you were willing to give Iran 6 billion dollars, because you are so behind Israel. Gag. It's no secret that Iran supports Hamas. And you Biden furnished them the money for their attack on Israel. The Biden administration is brain dead.

I hope Israel eradicates the Palestinians completely and takes over Gaza and destroys the Dome of the Rock.

The Biden administration has blood on it's hands in this. I hope he and his administration watch all the videos of how the Israeli people who were captured were treated. I hope all watch them.

Of course it will just follow it's usual pattern . As soon as Israel takes a certain amount of revenge, the U.N. will start to cry and whine about how we must stop this war. And the U.S. will support them calling for a cease fire. And the problem never goes away because they allow the Palestinians to remain.

Hopefully Israel this time says no, we are going to remove the problem this time.

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

Biden comes on TV just a little while ago and wants to boast how the U.S. is solidly behind Israel.

Sure you are Biden. That's why you were willing to give Iran 6 million dollars, because you are so behind Israel. Gag. It's no secret that Iran supports Hamas. And you Biden furnished them the money for their attack on Israel. The Biden administration is brain dead.

I hope Israel eradicates the Palestinians completely and takes over Gaza and destroys the Dome of the Rock.

The Biden administration has blood on it's hands in this. I hope he and his administration watch all the videos of how the Israeli people who were captured were treated. I hope all watch them.

Of course it will just follow it's usual pattern . As soon as Israel takes a certain amount of revenge, the U.N. will start to cry and whine about how we must stop this war. And the U.S. will support them calling for a cease fire. And the problem never goes away because they allow the Palestinians to remain.

Hopefully Israel this time says no, we are going to remove the problem this time.

Lees

I think it was actually billions of dollars.

Everyone found out what Biden's foreign policy was when he abandoned Afghanistan after several thousands of our troops got killed or maimed there.

 

[Lees]

I think it was actually billions of dollars.

Everyone found out what Biden's foreign policy was when he abandoned Afghanistan after several thousands of our troops got killed or maimed there.

Yes, you are correct. I will try and edit my mistake. Thanks.

Yes again. Plus I have read where many of our weapons abandoned in Afghanistan have made their way to Palestine and Hamas.

Lees

 

[NewCreation435]

Yes, you are correct. I will try and edit my mistake. Thanks.

Yes again. Plus I have read where many of our weapons abandoned in Afghanistan have made their way to Palestine and Hamas.

Lees

I was thinking yesterday about what would happen if one of those rocket accidentially or on purpose hit the Dome of the Rock. Holy Cow Batman that would cause WW III very suddently. I'm sure Hamas would blame Israel for it if they made that mistake

 

[Lees]

I was thinking yesterday about what would happen if one of those rocket accidentially or on purpose hit the Dome of the Rock. Holy Cow Batman that would cause WW III very suddently. I'm sure Hamas would blame Israel for it if they made that mistake

In the last few days Israel has destroyed mosques in Gaza.

Hamas purposely attacked Israel during one of Israel's holy days.

If I were Israel I would blow up the Dome of the Rock and make sure Hamas knew I did it.

Failure to do what you want to do because you fear someone, makes you slave to that one.

The Dome of the Rock is going to go someday. It's all dependent on God's timing. It's my opinion that this is a good time.

Lees

 

[Lees]

The war in Israel is following the same pattern. Israel retaliates and the nations forget about who started it. Israel is constantly being warned and reprimanded concerning it's actions.

The U.S. keeps saying Israel must follow the 'laws of war'. What a joke. Has anyone noticed the U.S. doesn't know how to win a war anymore? In it's desire to try and get the 'people' against their own govenment, the U.S. loves to make the distinction, we are not against the people. We are against the radicals. So, instead of going to war against a people, it stumbles around trying to dislodge 'radicals'. Result, we are kicked out of Afghanistan.

The problem is the radicals can never be dislodged because they are the people. When you war against Hamas you war against Palestinians. All of them. You war against Islam, all of them. Islam knows it. Can't you see the mass demonstrations by Muslims througout Europe and elsewhere? That's what you get for letting Muslims in your country.

And how did Hamas get to power in Palestine. By a 'democratic' election. By the people. The Palastinian people. Who are nothing but Islamic terrorists which is why they wanted Hamas to represent them.

Israel's should destroy Palastine and it's people. Move in and take over the whole area. That is the only solution. Any other solution is based upon the lie that the Palestinian people are not Hamas. Which means the problem will surface again and again.

My opinion.

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

I hope Israel eradicates the Palestinians completely and takes over Gaza and destroys the Dome of the Rock.

Couldn't possibly get any more evil than wishing for the murder of an entire people.

And how did Hamas get to power in Palestine. By a 'democratic' election. By the people. The Palastinian people. Who are nothing but Islamic terrorists which is why they wanted Hamas to represent them.

Israel's should destroy Palastine and it's people. Move in and take over the whole area. That is the only solution. Any other solution is based upon the lie that the Palestinian people are not Hamas. Which means the problem will surface again and again.

My opinion.

Lees

You probably didn't know this, but Hamas was created and funded by the powers that be in Israel as an alternative to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization).

Whether the Palestinians actually voted them in is actually irrelevant. Thanks to Israeli policy, the Palestinian people live in an open-air prison. They did not have access to many basic items even prior to this conflict. The reason a vote for Hamas is irrelevant is because no Palestinian would want open conflict with the very heavily armed Israel. They would be decimated.

Israel started this, because the founding and control of Hamas was by Israel, and is by Israel. Hamas is their whipping boy. It's there to place the blame on a separate entity and justify what the powers that be in Israel have wanted for a long time - the removal of the Palestinians.

 

[Stravinsk]

The Biden administration has blood on it's hands in this. I hope he and his administration watch all the videos of how the Israeli people who were captured were treated. I hope all watch them.

Here's a couple. Not specifically of capture, but of the initial events that are supposed to have started this. The clips are from the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) and NBC, so normies who watch corporate television are likely to see them as legitimate.

That is, until someone looking at it critically does the thinking they should have done and does it for them.

TraumaChicIsrael

 

[Lees]

Couldn't possibly get any more evil than wishing for the murder of an entire people.


You probably didn't know this, but Hamas was created and funded by the powers that be in Israel as an alternative to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization).

Whether the Palestinians actually voted them in is actually irrelevant. Thanks to Israeli policy, the Palestinian people live in an open-air prison. They did not have access to many basic items even prior to this conflict. The reason a vote for Hamas is irrelevant is because no Palestinian would want open conflict with the very heavily armed Israel. They would be decimated.

Israel started this, because the founding and control of Hamas was by Israel, and is by Israel. Hamas is their whipping boy. It's there to place the blame on a separate entity and justify what the powers that be in Israel have wanted for a long time - the removal of the Palestinians.

Sure you could. Allowing a murder to live next to you, knowing they have the murder of you and your family as their goal, and let them live, so they can continually fulfill their goal, is much more evil. And stupid.

Hamas was not created by Israel. The playing of one terrorist group against another is not the creation of the group.

The vote is not irrelevant. Hamas represents the Palestinian people. It reveals the lie that 'democracy' is the saviour government of the world. And, prison is where criminals belong. The Palestinian and the rest of Islam, doesn't want 'a war they will lose'. They certainly want war, and are always moving towards war against Israel, to remove her from the land. As far as the Palestinians being 'decimated', one can only hope.

No, that's like saying 'Israel started this because they are Israel'. Hamas was not created by Israel. As far as Palestinians and Hamas being a 'whipping boy', I would look more to Iran who uses Hamas and Hezbolah and funds them. It's Iran that is behind Hamas and Hezbolah, not Israel. And behind Iran is the Islamic hatred of Israel.

The removal of the Palestinians.....Sounds good to me. And not just from Gaza. From the West Bank also.

Lees

 

[Lees]

Here's a couple. Not specifically of capture, but of the initial events that are supposed to have started this. The clips are from the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) and NBC, so normies who watch corporate television are likely to see them as legitimate.

That is, until someone looking at it critically does the thinking they should have done and does it for them.

This is why I said, 'watch all the videos'. Your 'critical thinking' wants one to watch this video or that video.

Your phrase 'the initial events that are supposed to have started this' is questionable.

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

Yes Lees, as incredible as it sounds (and diabolic) governments do create organizations that are later used to justify war.

Stop and think. You're a Palestinian. I know in your rage filled mind that means your a salivating murdering thug that just wants to kill Israelies. But imagine you're not. You're just a Palestinian that wants to live and get on with life.

Probably unbeknown to you, Palestinians (meaning - those who lived in Palestine) - be they Muslims, Christians or Jews, got along in the area for a very long time preceeding the state of Israel.

So if you're such a person, why would you ever want to bring down the wrath of a much greater military power? The only reasons I can see are these:

1) Such a person is desperate because of the way they are treated by their oppressors. Striking back may initiate a process where they can die without committing suicide.

2) Such a person is too stupid to understand the political and serious consequences of lashing out against such a power.

I don't think the Palestinians are dumb. Nor the Israeli people. Neither of them benefit (from the initiation of violence that is likely to result in greater counter-violence).

The people who benefit are those in positions of power that have ethnic/political goals in mind. It may not even be for the Palestinian people, specifically. As you mentioned, Iran. Well, the west has been looking at going after Iran for a long time.

And do you know why? It's not because they are Muslim devils over there. It's called the "greater Israel project". Israel wants much more land to control.

 

[Lees]

Yes Lees, as incredible as it sounds (and diabolic) governments do create organizations that are later used to justify war.

Stop and think. You're a Palestinian. I know in your rage filled mind that means your a salivating murdering thug that just wants to kill Israelies. But imagine you're not. You're just a Palestinian that wants to live and get on with life.

Probably unbeknown to you, Palestinians (meaning - those who lived in Palestine) - be they Muslims, Christians or Jews, got along in the area for a very long time preceeding the state of Israel.

So if you're such a person, why would you ever want to bring down the wrath of a much greater military power? The only reasons I can see are these:

1) Such a person is desperate because of the way they are treated by their oppressors. Striking back may initiate a process where they can die without committing suicide.

2) Such a person is too stupid to understand the political and serious consequences of lashing out against such a power.

I don't think the Palestinians are dumb. Nor the Israeli people. Neither of them benefit (from the initiation of violence that is likely to result in greater counter-violence).

The people who benefit are those in positions of power that have ethnic/political goals in mind. It may not even be for the Palestinian people, specifically. As you mentioned, Iran. Well, the west has been looking at going after Iran for a long time.

And do you know why? It's not because they are Muslim devils over there. It's called the "greater Israel project". Israel wants much more land to control.

'Preceeding the state of Israel'? Again, you just continue that all is Israel's fault for being there. For being Israel.

The Palestinians want to live and get on with life without Israel.

As far as your reasons that bring down the wrath of a greater power, there is a third. The hatred the Palestinians, and Islam have for Israel. It overides any rational thinking.

If Israel destroys Gaza, destroys Hamas, she certainly will benefit. She has removed an enemy living next door. And would reap the benefit of 'more land' you speak of.

You ignore the fact that 'more land' is not what Palestinians or Hezbolah, or Iran, or Islam is worried about. They don't want Israel on any land over there. 'More land' is just an excuse to try and eliminate Israel.

But, rest assured, Israel will get much more land eventually.

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

'Preceeding the state of Israel'? Again, you just continue that all is Israel's fault for being there. For being Israel.

As a state of exclusively jews, yes. Prior to the state being created, muslims, jews and christians constituted Palestine. And they lived together largely without too many major conflicts. It was like this for many years.

The Palestinians want to live and get on with life without Israel.

Actually, if I were a Palestinian I would want this too. But not for the reasons you are led to believe. Have a look:

As far as your reasons that bring down the wrath of a greater power, there is a third. The hatred the Palestinians, and Islam have for Israel. It overides any rational thinking.

I don't believe in blind hatred. Hatred almost always has concrete reasons behind it. It's not just a difference of opinion, even religious opinion.

If Israel destroys Gaza, destroys Hamas, she certainly will benefit. She has removed an enemy living next door. And would reap the benefit of 'more land' you speak of.

The land that I spoke of is the land that the ambitious people in control of Israel want. Not just the Gaza strip. It's called the "Greater Israel project". I know this is probably new to you. Have a look:

 

[Lees]

As a state of exclusively jews, yes. Prior to the state being created, muslims, jews and christians constituted Palestine. And they lived together largely without too many major conflicts. It was like this for many years.


Actually, if I were a Palestinian I would want this too. But not for the reasons you are led to believe. Have a look:

I don't believe in blind hatred. Hatred almost always has concrete reasons behind it. It's not just a difference of opinion, even religious opinion.


The land that I spoke of is the land that the ambitious people in control of Israel want. Not just the Gaza strip. It's called the "Greater Israel project". I know this is probably new to you. Have a look:

No, there was constant conflict between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine before 1948.

Where is your map showing the gains of land Israel obtained in the war of 1956? Where is your map showing the gains of land Israel obtained in the 6 day war of 1967? Seems Israel should have much more land then she now has.

Whether you believe in 'blind hatred' or not is immaterial. The Palestinians, Arabs, Iranians, Hamas, Islam, all hate the Jews. Which is, as I said, the 3rd reason.

This map of the 'greater Israel project' has some legitimacy behind it. It is similar to the 'Royal Grant' God promised to Abraham. See 'the Blue Letter Bible, the Royal Grant' for a map.

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

No, there was constant conflict between the Jews and Arabs in Palestine before 1948.

I did a little history research with AI and I'll share it here. The general consensus I got from many individuals (actual people) who are learned in this subject agree that there was relative peace in the region between Christians, Muslims and Jews for a long time during the Ottoman Empire.

Here is the question I asked and the answer:

Me: insofar as Palestine was concerned, how long did the ottoman empire last in the sense of relative peace in that region as it concerned muslims, jews and christians?

Answer:
The Ottoman Empire's rule in Palestine, as in many parts of the empire, was marked by a degree of relative peace, especially concerning religious and ethnic communities, for a significant portion of its history. However, it's essential to understand that the Ottoman Empire's rule was marked by varying periods of stability and conflict.
Here are some key points regarding the Ottoman Empire's presence in Palestine and the relative peace experienced by different religious communities:

1. Early Ottoman Rule: The Ottoman Empire's control of Palestine began in 1516 with the conquest of the region from the Mamluks. During the early years of Ottoman rule, there was a sense of relative stability and tolerance. The Ottomans maintained the millet system, which allowed religious communities to govern their internal affairs, including legal and religious matters.
2. Religious Tolerance: The Ottomans generally upheld a policy of religious tolerance. They allowed different religious communities, including Muslims, Jews, and Christians, to practice their faiths and manage their own religious and communal affairs. This policy contributed to a degree of coexistence among these communities.
3. Jerusalem: In Jerusalem, which held significance for multiple religious groups, the Ottomans allowed each community control over its respective holy sites. This system of shared custody, known as the "Status Quo," helped prevent conflicts over religious sites.
4. Stability and Trade: During periods of Ottoman rule, Palestine served as a relatively stable region that facilitated trade and commerce. Cities like Jerusalem, Jaffa, and Hebron saw diverse populations coexisting and engaging in trade.

However, it's important to note that the Ottoman Empire, like any long-lasting empire, also had its share of challenges and conflicts. Periodic revolts, taxation issues, and disputes did arise, leading to occasional tensions between the empire and its subjects.
The Ottoman Empire's relative peace in Palestine lasted for several centuries, particularly during the earlier phases of their rule. However, as the empire began to decline in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it faced increasing challenges, and the situation in Palestine became more complex, eventually leading to the tensions and conflicts that preceded World War I and the eventual disintegration of Ottoman rule in the region.

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Now perhaps you can provide contrary information, but I think you'll come up short.

 

[Albion]

How about this overview, and these facts?

The Turkish state/government bet on the wrong horse in the Great War. She allied with Germany which started the war, and then she, along with her allies such as Austria-Hungary, lost. Fact.

As happens with wars, the winners redrew the map.

In this case Britain and France took various chunks of the Ottoman Empire, and then Britain allowed its protectorate at the Eastern end of the Mediterranean to be independent with provision for an Arab as well as a Jewish section. The one side accepted the division, the other wouldn't and still doesn't, choosing instead to periodically launch attacks upon Israel with the help of neighboring Arab states which do not want their own relatives, the Palestinian Arabs, to move into their own countries (!).

Whose side has the moral high ground as a result?

And how does this differ from the situation with other territory that has been lost as a result of a country surrendering in war, for example German territory east of the Oder River, Eastern Poland, parts of Finland and Bulgaria, and the South Tyrol, all of which were forfeited by losing nations in one or the other of the World Wars?

As far as that "Greater Israel" map is concerned, when Israel invades the Nile Valley and Iraq, we can talk about it. For the present, however, it means nothing to this issue we're talking about.,

 

[Lees]

I did a little history research with AI and I'll share it here. The general consensus I got from many individuals (actual people) who are learned in this subject agree that there was relative peace in the region between Christians, Muslims and Jews for a long time during the Ottoman Empire.

Here is the question I asked and the answer:

Me: insofar as Palestine was concerned, how long did the ottoman empire last in the sense of relative peace in that region as it concerned muslims, jews and christians?

Answer:
The Ottoman Empire's rule in Palestine, as in many parts of the empire, was marked by a degree of relative peace, especially concerning religious and ethnic communities, for a significant portion of its history. However, it's essential to understand that the Ottoman Empire's rule was marked by varying periods of stability and conflict.
Here are some key points regarding the Ottoman Empire's presence in Palestine and the relative peace experienced by different religious communities:

1. Early Ottoman Rule: The Ottoman Empire's control of Palestine began in 1516 with the conquest of the region from the Mamluks. During the early years of Ottoman rule, there was a sense of relative stability and tolerance. The Ottomans maintained the millet system, which allowed religious communities to govern their internal affairs, including legal and religious matters.
2. Religious Tolerance: The Ottomans generally upheld a policy of religious tolerance. They allowed different religious communities, including Muslims, Jews, and Christians, to practice their faiths and manage their own religious and communal affairs. This policy contributed to a degree of coexistence among these communities.
3. Jerusalem: In Jerusalem, which held significance for multiple religious groups, the Ottomans allowed each community control over its respective holy sites. This system of shared custody, known as the "Status Quo," helped prevent conflicts over religious sites.
4. Stability and Trade: During periods of Ottoman rule, Palestine served as a relatively stable region that facilitated trade and commerce. Cities like Jerusalem, Jaffa, and Hebron saw diverse populations coexisting and engaging in trade.

However, it's important to note that the Ottoman Empire, like any long-lasting empire, also had its share of challenges and conflicts. Periodic revolts, taxation issues, and disputes did arise, leading to occasional tensions between the empire and its subjects.
The Ottoman Empire's relative peace in Palestine lasted for several centuries, particularly during the earlier phases of their rule. However, as the empire began to decline in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it faced increasing challenges, and the situation in Palestine became more complex, eventually leading to the tensions and conflicts that preceded World War I and the eventual disintegration of Ottoman rule in the region.

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Now perhaps you can provide contrary information, but I think you'll come up short.

Oh...I see. You're not talking about the time before Israel became a state, as you said in your post #(14). You're talking about the time during the Ottoman empire, which ended in 1922. So, what about the time between 1922 and 1948? Nice harmony between Jews and Palestinians?

As for the Jews in the Ottoman Empire, how much choice did they have but to be peaceable. It was an Islamic empire. You like those Jews being submissive to Islamic rule don't you. So much peace there when 'submission' is the rule. Were the Jewish women free to walk publicly without a veil?

If the Islamic Palestinians learned how to behave under Israeli rule, they would have peace also.

Did you come up short on maps showing Israel's gains in land in the 56 and 67 wars? Maybe those learned actual people you know can help.

Lees

 

[Lees]

All those European countries that allowed Islamic peoples into their nation, are now having to deal with Islamic protests over Israel's blowing the hell out of the Palestinians.

That's a price you pay for being a fool. This is what Islam does. They move into a country and multiply like rats, and when they have a certain percentage of the population, they know they can protest and riot and move that country to their point of view.

Look at France. It doesn't know what to do. Because it has to appease French and Islam. When in reality it should say to hell with Islam. The same is, or will be with England.

In other words, European countries have let the enemy into their country, and now don't know what to do. The Trojan Horse lives.

Never forget...Islam is the enemy. It may not be your only enemy, but it is the enemy.

Lees

 

[Angel Michael]

Situation is very simple for those who follow history. For those who listen to mainstream media, well..
During ww2 jews flew to Palestine and were accepted there. At the time they had no state for they were scatered by God, not to have country. But, that changed due to influence of UK where they helped them establish their own country from by taking it from Palestine (part of it).

Conflicts kept going between them on and off and now we come to 2023. What was shown as important is that HAMAS entered Israel, did masslaughter of people. Now, what is not being told is that day before that, on 6th, massacre happened in the outskirt of jeruselam by armed jewish citizens who spilled blood on the sacred ground of al alqsa mosque.

Another thing is that Israel was warned before the attack by Egypt and they not only ignored it but they shut down their dome shield and allowed HAMAS to enter with no issues inside. This was all planned out as to find a strong reason for retaliation so that people say: "Yeah, well, you asked for it" while truth is different. Same trick Germans used in Poland to invade them.

Now, Israel is bombarding and murdering civilians as they please and world media lies how they target HAMAS bases and how HAMAS strike themselves. Pathetic. This is a pure extermination of people. This is not a military action, this is a genocide. By war laws, military can attack only military and not civilians. Here we see mass civilian murders and even church destroying, hospitals..

I am not saying this out of the blue, I got proofs. I would post images and videos here of reality there, but it is a sensitive content, so no. Friend of mine had relatives there and they all died during hospital bombing. How sad.

I support all those who stand with Palestine for they stand not only against injustice but also against another country who did same things as US did for decades and nobody dared to say anything. Enough is enough. World has to hear cries of those people and I am glad people wake up and it is not only muslims. #standWithPalestine