Proof of God For Science Types

[SetFree]

@SetFree


Absurd.

YOU are the one who framed the discussion as SCIENCE rather than faith.

YOU are the one who ignored that Hebrews 11:3 says we acknowledge God as Creator BY FAITH (it says nothing about science).

YOU are the one who demanded we ignore the issue of faith and replace it with the issue of science

YOU are the one who displayed an amazing ignorance of science.

YOU are the one who ignored everything posted to you.

EVERYONE here believes that God is the Creator, that's never been disputed.

NO ONE in this discussion is an atheist or denies God's special Creation.


See post 15.



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You simply don't know what you're talking about, and obviously do not even understand the 'idea' of the word 'science'.

When YOU hear the word 'science', it's apparent that you immediately think that means men's secularist notions 'without' God and working against the idea of God as Creator. That is NOT what the word 'science' means.

The word 'science' simply means knowledge about the structure and behavior of the natural physical world based on fact. How could our Heavenly Father be against that, since it points directly to His Creation and the facts involving it?!?

What you are wrongly assigning as the definition of the word 'science' is man's FAKE science, what I call PSEUDO-SCIENCE. Darwin's theories of the origin of species with evolution is an example of man's 'pseudo-science'!!!

How could you not understand this, since in Luke 4 we are shown the devil ADDING to Bible Scripture while quoting it to Lord Jesus tempting Him? Oh, maybe you are not... familiar with that, since you're probably using today's modern Bible scholarly science of new and improved Bible versions, which does not have that in them. But the good ole' King James Bible does have it...

Luke 4:9-11
9 And he brought Him to Jerusalem, and set Him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto Him, "If Thou be the Son of God, cast Thyself down from hence:

10 For it is written, 'He shall give His angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.'"
KJV


Satan was quoting from Psalms 91, but ADDED that "at any time" part to the Scripture...

Ps 91:11-12
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
KJV

My point???

That is what the false 'pseudo-scientists' do, they ADD falsehood to actual fact. And if they didn't USE real science based on the facts of God's creation along with their falsehoods, no one would be fooled.

THUS THERE IS MUCH, MUCH... SCIENCE WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD, BECAUSE HE IS THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR OF THE IDEA OF TRUE SCIENCE, WHICH MEANS FACT ABOUT HIS CREATION.

 

[SetFree]

Seriously? You post drivel like your opening post and expect people to simply sit back in awe of your apparently undisputed brilliance?

If all you want is fawning admiration you'd be better off talking to your mama than posting on a public forum where - horror - people might notice your arguments are so weak they practically rebut themselves.

That's a very ignorant and stupid response to my posts.

The Hebrews 11:2 verse PROVES the existence of GOD in the realm of SPIRIT.

And Paul (whom I consider wrote the Book of Hebrews) uses the idea of SCIENTIFIC FACT to show it.

The FACT that material matter can neither be created nor destroyed (except by God), is a SCIENTIFIC FACT of this present world. And that is one of the facts the Hebrews 11:2 verse is revealing...

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

That in red is simply saying that things seen (i.e., this material world), were NOT made of things that do appear (again, material things seen). It simply means material matter did NOT create itself!

It means the material universe was created by something else other than matter. It immediately... suggest a creation, and not only that, but a creation from a DIFFERENT TYPE OF DIMENSION OTHER THAN THE MATERIAL UNIVERSE. It POINTS DIRECTLY TO GOD HIMSELF AS CREATOR!!!

And it points directly to GOD's REALM OF SPIRIT.

 

[SetFree]

I really did not realize there were so many on this Forum that are AGAINST the idea of GOD having created the universe, and that per Apostle John in John 4:24, that "God is a SPIRIT". Mark those brethren, for their heart is not right with Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

 

[Josiah]

You simply don't know what you're talking about, and obviously do not even understand the 'idea' of the word 'science'.

I have a Ph.D. in physics.

What is your earned doctorate in?


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[tango]

That's a very ignorant and stupid response to my posts.

The Hebrews 11:2 verse PROVES the existence of GOD in the realm of SPIRIT.

And Paul (whom I consider wrote the Book of Hebrews) uses the idea of SCIENTIFIC FACT to show it.

The FACT that material matter can neither be created nor destroyed (except by God), is a SCIENTIFIC FACT of this present world. And that is one of the facts the Hebrews 11:2 verse is revealing...

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

That in red is simply saying that things seen (i.e., this material world), were NOT made of things that do appear (again, material things seen). It simply means material matter did NOT create itself!

It means the material universe was created by something else other than matter. It immediately... suggest a creation, and not only that, but a creation from a DIFFERENT TYPE OF DIMENSION OTHER THAN THE MATERIAL UNIVERSE. It POINTS DIRECTLY TO GOD HIMSELF AS CREATOR!!!

And it points directly to GOD's REALM OF SPIRIT.

You're still not really getting how this works, are you?

People who believe the Bible don't need proof of God. People who don't believe the Bible aren't going to be wowed by circular reasoning and endless insistance that a claim somehow proves itself.

You never gave a useful reply to my original response to your ramblings, noting that you could substitute "God" for "Allah", "Vishnu", "Krishna" etc and have the exact same argument. But, by all means, continue to post as if repeating the same claim over and over again counted as proving it.

You could always try presenting your "proof" to a group of people who don't believe to see how many of them find it convincing.

 

[tango]

I really did not realize there were so many on this Forum that are AGAINST the idea of GOD having created the universe, and that per Apostle John in John 4:24, that "God is a SPIRIT". Mark those brethren, for their heart is not right with Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

This has got to be one of the most epic plot fails I've seen in a while.

You do understand people can believe in God while absolutely rejecting an argument that claims to prove something but fails catastrophically, right? Saying your "proof" of God proves precisely nothing is a totally different statement to rejecting belief in God.

I believe in God for a number of reasons. I reject your "proof" because it fails to prove anything at all. The two are unrelated.

Seriously, when you present a "proof" to people who already believe and they universally reject it that should be a good sign that your "proof" is anything but.

 

[Albion]

I really did not realize there were so many on this Forum that are AGAINST the idea of GOD having created the universe, and that per Apostle John in John 4:24, that "God is a SPIRIT". Mark those brethren, for their heart is not right with Lord Jesus Christ and His Word.

You mark yourself as the loser in this debate when you resort to making such patently false statements as the above claims are...and do so in the attempt to "save face."

 

[SetFree]

You're still not really getting how this works, are you?

People who believe the Bible don't need proof of God. People who don't believe the Bible aren't going to be wowed by circular reasoning and endless insistance that a claim somehow proves itself.

You never gave a useful reply to my original response to your ramblings, noting that you could substitute "God" for "Allah", "Vishnu", "Krishna" etc and have the exact same argument. But, by all means, continue to post as if repeating the same claim over and over again counted as proving it.

You could always try presenting your "proof" to a group of people who don't believe to see how many of them find it convincing.

Can't see the forest for the trees maybe?

The Hebrews 11 Scripture I showed is not MY idea. It is The Word of God. All I did was reveal how it PROVES God's existence even with declaring GOD's LAW that He set for this present world, that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, showing material matter did not, and could not, create the universe.

 

[Messy]

Can't see the forest for the trees maybe?

The Hebrews 11 Scripture I showed is not MY idea. It is The Word of God. All I did was reveal how it PROVES God's existence even with declaring GOD's LAW that He set for this present world, that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, showing material matter did not, and could not, create the universe.

Yes. Romans 1
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools


Makes me think of Lumsden.

 

[tango]

Can't see the forest for the trees maybe?

The Hebrews 11 Scripture I showed is not MY idea. It is The Word of God. All I did was reveal how it PROVES God's existence even with declaring GOD's LAW that He set for this present world, that matter can neither be created nor destroyed, showing material matter did not, and could not, create the universe.

Except it proves nothing of the sort. Using a book to prove itself is circular reasoning. You could write any book you wanted that said it was undisputed truth and then use it to prove itself.

 

[SetFree]

Except it proves nothing of the sort. Using a book to prove itself is circular reasoning. You could write any book you wanted that said it was undisputed truth and then use it to prove itself.

That Hebrews 11:3 verse PROVES God's existence beyond all doubt, simply because it is a SCIENTIFIC PROOF against MATERIALIST THEORIES against the existence of another dimension of Spirit. It PROVES the existence of ANOTHER DIMENSION other than the material universe! ("God is a Spirit" according to Apostle John in John 4:24).

For one who DENIES the proof of that verse, do you realize what that means?

It means those who DENY the PROOF that Hebrews 11:3 verse reveals, they do NOT really believe in a non-material dimension, and thus not in GOD.

And that means bringing this matter up did exactly... what I planned; to draw out of the woodwork here the ATHEISTS that HIDE here claiming to be Christians, but actually are here to try create chaos against GOD and His Word of Truth.

 

[tango]

That Hebrews 11:3 verse PROVES God's existence beyond all doubt, simply because it is a SCIENTIFIC PROOF against MATERIALIST THEORIES against the existence of another dimension of Spirit. It PROVES the existence of ANOTHER DIMENSION other than the material universe! ("God is a Spirit" according to Apostle John in John 4:24).

For one who DENIES the proof of that verse, do you realize what that means?

It means those who DENY the PROOF that Hebrews 11:3 verse reveals, they do NOT really believe in a non-material dimension, and thus not in GOD.

And that means bringing this matter up did exactly... what I planned; to draw out of the woodwork here the ATHEISTS that HIDE here claiming to be Christians, but actually are here to try create chaos against GOD and His Word of Truth.

Hebrews 11:3 proves nothing of the sort. It makes a statement. A statement does not prove itself.

Your entire process of reasoning is flawed, full of strawmen, and frankly pointless. Observing that your "proof" actually proves precisely nothing makes no statements of the belief of the person making such an observation, so to imply that it does does little more than further demonstrate your argument is utterly devoid of merit.

 

[SetFree]

Hebrews 11:3 proves nothing of the sort. It makes a statement. A statement does not prove itself.

Your entire process of reasoning is flawed, full of strawmen, and frankly pointless. Observing that your "proof" actually proves precisely nothing makes no statements of the belief of the person making such an observation, so to imply that it does does little more than further demonstrate your argument is utterly devoid of merit.

Hebrews 11:3 PROVES... the existence of GOD and the dimension of SPIRIT.

Those who REFUSE to believe that Scripture are not of God.

 

[tango]

Hebrews 11:3 PROVES... the existence of GOD and the dimension of SPIRIT.

Those who REFUSE to believe that Scripture are not of God.

Hebrews makes a claim. A claim does not prove itself.

Whether we believe the Scripture or not is unrelated to whether it proves itself.

Since you clearly don't understand basic logic there's really no point continuing to discuss with you.