Pilate’s regret

[Romanos]

Have you ever considered how Pilate felt after the events of the Crucifixion and Resurrection?

 

[Messy]

No but he was really stupid to not listen to his wife. I did wonder about her.

 

[Albion]

No but he was really stupid to not listen to his wife. I did wonder about her.

Pilate faced a difficult decision that he'd tried to finesse by putting it to the crowd in hopes that they'd choose the obvious criminal over Jesus.

We can't say that Pilate brushed off his wife's advice, but I think we can understand how Pilate was in a position where maintaining order was very important...yet nothing he might do in this case was likely to go down well with all the Jews.

 

[Messy]

Luke 23
When Pilate heard [b]of Galilee, he asked if the Man were a Galilean. 7 And as soon as he knew that He belonged to Herod’s jurisdiction, he sent Him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time. 8 Now when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceedingly glad; for he had desired for a long time to see Him, because he had heard many things about Him, and he hoped to see some miracle done by Him. 9 Then he questioned Him with many words, but He answered him nothing. 10 And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Him. 11 Then Herod, with his [c]men of war, treated Him with contempt and mocked Him, arrayed Him in a gorgeous robe, and sent Him back to Pilate. 12 That very day Pilate and Herod became friends with each other, for previously they had been at enmity with each other.

Doesn't sound like he felt sorry about it.

 

[Lamb]

No but he was really stupid to not listen to his wife. I did wonder about her.

YES! I have often thought about that too!! I can imagine what THEIR conversations were like afterwards

 

[Albion]

No but he was really stupid to not listen to his wife. I did wonder about her.

You and Lamb have gotten my curiosity up now.

How is Pilate stupid not to have taken his wife's advice? She was for exonerating Jesus, we understand, but Pilate wasn't just a judge. He had a mob to deal with, and it was not a bunch of Jesus's devotees!

 

[Messy]

You and Lamb have gotten my curiosity up now.

How is Pilate stupid not to have taken his wife's advice? She was for exonerating Jesus, we understand, but Pilate wasn't just a judge. He had a mob to deal with, and it was not a bunch of Jesus's devotees!

I used to think he was nice. What can you do about it? Run away? Give up your job out of fear? He washed his hands. He wasn't trying to save Him. Even Peter denied Him out of of fear. And when Peter wanted Him to not get killed He said: get behind Me satan. But I once saw a Jesus movie and Herod and him were these horrible arrogant mocking guys. Which is what I get from the texts too. This arrogance. Okay I will just let them beat Him up and mock Him for you. He didn't tell the Roman soldiers to at least have some respect. He did nothing. He looked, let it happen and became friends with Herod. Jesus didn't even bother to answer him. And then his wife. She gets a dream, suffers and cries about Him, warns him. But on the other hand yes you're right. He had to die. Had Pilate listened to his wife and protected Him or hid Him, someone else would have done it, but then he wouldn't be guilty of it and it doesn't sound like he repented.

 

[Albion]

I used to think he was nice. What can you do about it? Run away? Give up your job out of fear? He washed his hands. He wasn't trying to save Him.

That's right. Pilate wasn't determined to save an innocent man there--a "nobody" to him at best. His job was to administer the area and that involves maintaining order among the traditionally troublesome Jews.

It appears that he was of the opinion that Jesus wasn't guilty, but the crowd wasn't having any of it. Right? So he wound up washing his hands of the whole affair. We may consider this to be cowardly of him or worse, but the question here was whether or not he was "stupid" not to take his wife's advice and infuriate the crowd as a result.

And all of this was over what was, to Pilate, a minor event. Recall that the Romans were not averse to killing thousands of people in order to maintain their rule over all these conquered lands they had to administer.

Even Peter denied Him out of of fear. And when Peter wanted Him to not get killed He said: get behind Me satan. But I once saw a Jesus movie and Herod and him were these horrible arrogant mocking guys. Which is what I get from the texts too. This arrogance. Okay I will just let them beat Him up and mock Him for you. He didn't tell the Roman soldiers to at least have some respect.

Can you be serious? We're not talking there about a modern democratic republic with a constitution guaranteeing legal counsel and due process, etc.

To understand Pilate, it is essential to understand when and where he lived and what his job was. Remember also that the crowd threatened to go over Pilate's head straight to Caesar, if he freed Jesus.

He did nothing. He looked, let it happen and became friends with Herod.

(sigh)

Well, thanks for answering me.

 

[Messy]

That's right. Pilate wasn't determined to save an innocent man there--a "nobody" to him at best. His job was to administer the area and that involves maintaining order among the traditionally troublesome Jews.

It appears that he was of the opinion that Jesus wasn't guilty, but the crowd wasn't having any of it. Right? So he wound up washing his hands of the whole affair. We may consider this to be cowardly of him or worse, but the question here was whether or not he was "stupid" not to take his wife's advice and infuriate the crowd as a result.

And all of this was over what was, to Pilate, a minor event. Recall that the Romans were not averse to killing thousands of people in order to maintain their rule over all these conquered lands they had to administer.

Can you be serious? We're not talking there about a modern democratic republic with a constitution guaranteeing legal counsel and due process, etc.

To understand Pilate, it is essential to understand when and where he lived and what his job was. Remember also that the crowd threatened to go over Pilate's head straight to Caesar, if he freed Jesus.



(sigh)

Well, thanks for answering me.

There were Romans who converted and weren't arrogant, although it was a lousy time. He's still a bozo, just like Cleopatra.
'You have to see that in its time. I did that for my country.' 'Be quiet or I feed you to the crocodiles. Go away with your leftish talk!'

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

someone else would have done it

Why?

 

[Albion]

There were Romans who converted and weren't arrogant, although it was a lousy time. He's still a bozo, just like Cleopatra.

I don't know about bozo-ism, but you're referring to an administrator of a troublesome part of a brutal, authoritarian empire, all of its good qualities aside. Pilate obviously cannot be evaluated as though he were just some ordinary Roman citizen on the street.

 

[Messy]

Why?

He had to die. Otherwise no one could be reconciled with God and get a new nature. I think that's why He came when a lot didn't want Him and not in the time of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

He had to die. Otherwise no one could be reconciled with God and get a new nature.

Why?

 

[Lees]

Why?

You know you're in the arena of childish ignorance when the response is always 'why'. In your case, it is willful ignorance based on your inability to contribute anything else. So you just ask why.

So, why do you just ask why? Because you don't know anything. Just like a child doesn't.

Lees

 

[Messy]

You know you're in the arena of childish ignorance when the response is always 'why'. In your case, it is willful ignorance based on your inability to contribute anything else. So you just ask why.

So, why do you just ask why? Because you don't know anything. Just like a child doesn't.

Lees

The great thing about a child asking why is that they think you're an oracle who knows everything and whatever answer you come up with is perfectly fine. When my son was 4 or 5 he'd ask why questions all day. Why did God make satan? Why are there earthquakes. So lovely. Just any answer I gave was perfect for him, cause mom knows all.

 

[Lees]

The great thing about a child asking why is that they think you're an oracle who knows everything and whatever answer you come up with is perfectly fine. When my son was 4 or 5 he'd ask why questions all day. Why did God make satan? Why are there earthquakes. So lovely. Just any answer I gave was perfect for him, cause mom knows all.

Which is why Lucian Hodobac's question of 'why' is a perversion. He's not asking why to know. He's asking why just to antagonize and cast some doubt upon the Christians faith.

Though he claims to be Christian, he does not have the faith required. Don't forget the tares and wheat. (Matt. 13:37-43) Don't forget the leaven. (Matt. 13:33).

Lees

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

So, why do you just ask why? Because you don't know anything. Just like a child doesn't.

You're right. I don't understand it. Me and billions of other people who find the idea that God has to kill the innocent in order to forgive the guilty absurd.

 

[Messy]

You're right. I don't understand it. Me and billions of other people who find the idea that God has to kill the innocent in order to forgive the guilty absurd.

The sin nature had to be removed. He created us to become like Him. Since man sinned we became half evil with satan's nature. That could only be removed by death. If someone has some life threatening sickness and a doctor can cut it out, he will. God cuts the sin nature out. But we had this discussion already and you just don't agree.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

That could only be removed by death.

Again, in the context of an omnipotent God, why? Also, if it could be removed through death, why wasn't it removed as soon as the first man died (Abel)?

But we had this discussion already and you just don't agree.

How can I agree if it makes zero sense? God had to send Himself in a human body and let that human body be killed by other humans in order to remove the evil nature of humanity? Where is the relationship between the premise and the conclusion? It seems like a non sequitur. How does Jesus being killed remove the evil nature of humanity? The evil nature of humanity is what got Jesus killed in the first place.

 

[Messy]

Again, in the context of an omnipotent God, why? Also, if it could be removed through death, why wasn't it removed as soon as the first man died (Abel)?


How can I agree if it makes zero sense? God had to send Himself in a human body and let that human body be killed by other humans in order to remove the evil nature of humanity? Where is the relationship between the premise and the conclusion? It seems like a non sequitur. How does Jesus being killed remove the evil nature of humanity? The evil nature of humanity is what got Jesus killed in the first place.

Not through just physically dying, but through dying with Christ. Our old sinful nature has to cease to exist. We can put it to death, decide to not sin. That is not possible without the cross. The O.T. saints were forgiven, but they could not get a new nature. That's why the laws were way easier. Now it's a sin to take an extra wife, cause a christian can say no to his flesh, but David was allowed to have a load of women, because he had his flesh nature, that couldn't get killed or be done away. That happened when Jesus died. Had He not died and risen, there would be no hope. Everyone would die being sinful, always having to sin again and say God said hey I forgive you all and it's all fine, then eternity would be like earth now. Everyone would still be full of sin and kill and steal and hurt others. It had to be destroyed.
He took our sins in His body. When He died the sin nature was killed.

We sinned, so we were a slave to sin and the author of sin, satan. His nature was in everyone. That had to be cut out. The snake on the pole in the desert.
When we die with Christ we are not slaves to sin anymore. We get a new heart. Spiritual circumcision, the evil flesh part is cut off.


Galatians 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Romans 6:6
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be [a]done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.