Will you recognize your loved ones on the other side?

[Lees]

You're only making your position less by trying that maneuver. Just let it go.

We do not get to tell God what heaven will be like and we have not been given to know, through divine revelation, every aspect of what will be.

Most of us hope to have another opportunity to be again with our parents or a spouse who has passed on, for example, and to ask them something or amend some mistake we'd made in life, but we're left for a little while longer just to trust God.

Strange. It is you that begin with the accusation that my view is based only on rationalism. See post #(37). And a false accusation in fact since I support with Scripture.

Of course you want to 'let it go'. You have nothing to support your view. You can't answer simple questions. You can't even explain your reason for such a belief. And you have no Scripture to support your belief.

What is the reason that you believe a Christian will not know his loved ones in heaven that he knew on earth?

What Scripture do you have to support your view?

Why do you believe the Christian is given a lobotomy when he dies and goes to heaven?

Lees

 

[Albion]

Strange. It is you that begin with the accusation that my view is based only on rationalism. See post #(37). And a false accusation in fact since I support with Scripture.

As was already explained, you listed some verses from Scripture all right, but they didn't speak to the issue you are trying to prove.

So, if you want me to quote Scripture to you, I'll choose John 3:16 and say "There. I supported my observation with Scripture!" The fact that the verse doesn't have anything to do with what we've been talking about shouldn't bother you.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes of course. You don't all of a sudden know nothing because you leave your earthly brain behind. There were Chinese orphan kids decades ago, who visited heaven and saw a kid they knew who had died a year before. She showed em around. The people who had the orphanage hoped that none of the kids would die, cause then the others would be very jealous.

No one has had much difficulty recognising Blessed Mary when she appears, nor has there been much uncertainty about who any of the saints who are reported to have appeared. So, I think that recognising one's loved ones in heaven and after the resurrection will be the norm.

 

[Lees]

As was already explained, you listed some verses from Scripture all right, but they didn't speak to the issue you are trying to prove.

So, if you want me to quote Scripture to you, I'll choose John 3:16 and say "There. I supported my observation with Scripture!" The fact that the verse doesn't have anything to do with what we've been talking about shouldn't bother you.

No, there was no explanation as you bailed out as usual. Your weak explanations could not measure up to the questions I asked. See post #(20).

1.) What evidence is there that (Luke 16:19-31) is a parable?

2.) Who says a parable is not a true story? Who says a parable has to be based on a fictitious story? You?

3.) Do you consider (Gal. 4:22-26) an allegory? Do you consider it a fictitious story?

4.) What reason is there to believe that the Christian will not know his loved ones in heaven?

5.) Why do you perform a lobotomy on the Christian when he goes to heaven?

Your quoting of Scripture that has nothing to do with what we are discussing just shows you have no Scripture to support your view. Your view is based on your reason, and you can't even explain what your reason is based upon.

Please answer my questions

Lees

 

[Albion]

No, there was no explanation as you bailed out as usual. Your weak explanations could not measure up to the questions I asked. See post #(20).

1.) What evidence is there that (Luke 16:19-31) is a parable?

2.) Who says a parable is not a true story? Who says a parable has to be based on a fictitious story? You?

3.) Do you consider (Gal. 4:22-26) an allegory? Do you consider it a fictitious story?

4.) What reason is there to believe that the Christian will not know his loved ones in heaven?

5.) Why do you perform a lobotomy on the Christian when he goes to heaven?

Your quoting of Scripture that has nothing to do with what we are discussing just shows you have no Scripture to support your view. Your view is based on your reason, and you can't even explain what your reason is based upon.

Please answer my questions

Lees

IMHO, you should not expect to receive a reply when you begin your plea with taunts, even if you close with a "please."

However, I will answer you once again but for the last time.

1) It is in the form of a parable, and there are many parables in the Bible. Some from Christ himself and some from other people. In most cases, it is obvious that the personage who is central is only an archetype, not a particular, real, individual. These are morality lessons and the lesson in this one is apparent. I also said that Bible experts generally consider the one in question here to BE a parable, That is a fact. You simply "harrumphed" all of this because you wanted a different answer.

4) What reason is there to believe that the Christian will not know his loved one in heaven?
I never have maintained that the Christian will NOT know his loved ones in heaven. It's nothing but a debating trick you've engaged in repeatedly to denounce as incorrect a claim that you assigned to the other person but which was not made by that person.

In addition, you repeatedly demand that I prove a negative. The above question is one example of that. Why can't heaven be a place where we will recognize our relatives, you ask. You might as well demand that anybody who answers the Original Post prove from Scripture that we all will not all turn into rabbits when we reach the pearly gates. The fact is that Scripture does not tell us if we can, or cannot, recognize our loved ones when we reach the other side. That's it. Scripture doesn't tell us.

5) And now for the silliest of the points--why do I "perform a lobotomy on the Christian when he goes to heaven?" You may think that's funny or clever, but it's a meaningless question, not only because of the particular imagery you chose but because also of the claim itself.

Once again, I never claimed that we would forget something or other or be made brain damaged upon death. I have maintained that there is, in Scripture, no answer to the question that was asked in the Original Post, and that is entirely correct to say.

 

[Lees]

IMHO, you should not expect to receive a reply when you begin your plea with taunts, even if you close with a "please."

However, I will answer you once again but for the last time.

1) It is in the form of a parable, and there are many parables in the Bible. Some from Christ himself and some from other people. In most cases, it is obvious that the personage who is central is only an archetype, not a particular, real, individual. These are morality lessons and the lesson in this one is apparent. I also said that Bible experts generally consider the one in question here to BE a parable, That is a fact. You simply "harrumphed" all of this because you wanted a different answer.

4) What reason is there to believe that the Christian will not know his loved one in heaven?
I never have maintained that the Christian will NOT know his loved ones in heaven.

This is nothing but a debating trick you've engaged in repeatedly, to denounce as incorrect a claim that you assigned to the other person but which was not made by that person.

5) And now for the silliest of the points--why do I "perform a lobotomy on the Christian when he goes to heaven?" You may think that's funny or clever, but it's a meaningless question, not only because of the particular imagery you chose but because also of the claim itself.

Once again, I never claimed that we would forget something or other or be made brain damaged upon death. I have maintained that there is, in Scripture, no answer to the question that was asked in the Original Post, and that is entirely correct to say.

Taunts? No. Truthful statements.

1.) The problem with your answer here is that you assume a parable is fictitious. A made up story for teaching purpose. There is nothing to indicate that. There is everything to indicate it is a true historical event. Jesus said "There was a certain rich man" Jesus said "there was a certain beggar named Lazarus". Jesus didn't have to name the beggar. Just like he didn't name the rich man. Why did He name him? Because he was a real person who Jesus knew. And, concerning your 'experts' save it. You can find 'experts' anywhere for any view.

2.) Which is why you avoid this question. Who says a parable is not a true story? Who says a parable has to be based upon a fictitious story? You?

3.) Which again is why you avoid this question also. Do you consider (Gal. 4:22-26) an allegory? Do you consider it a fictitious story?


4.) A debating trick? No. You have proposed it. You are only using 'reason' to doubt that the believer will know his loved ones in heaven. Yet you provide no reason as to why. With all the Scriptures you have been given there is every reason to believe we will know our loved ones who are there. So again, you have not answered this question. What reason is there to believe the Christian will not know his loved ones in heaven that he knew on earth?

5.) No. It's not meaningless. It shows how silly and insane your position is. It is the only conclusion one can come to who think believers may not know their loved ones in heaven. Both reason and Scripture are against you. You admit it as you can provide neither. To believe it is possible is to perform a lobotomy on the believer. His mind is wiped clean. Do you believe God would do that? Do you, with what you know about God from the Scriptures, believe reason supports God wiping the believers mind clean from all memory?

No, you are incorrect to say that. The totality of Scripture is against your view. Scripture never offers the slightest possibility that believers will not know their loved ones in heaven. Your view is totally against what God has done and is doing. And there are specific Scriptures that I and others have given you that prove that the believer will know.

Lees

 

[Albion]

No one has had much difficulty recognising Blessed Mary when she appears

As often as not, the people to whom she supposedly appeared didn't know who 'the lady' was. Not until later.

Plus, the "look" of the apparition that appears in books these days and is fixed in the mind of church members owes, in some cases, to the church having altered or "corrected" what the person who first saw the image described.