Will you recognize your loved ones on the other side?

[atpollard]

Come on, @Albion .... We all know we'll be short, fat, white... playing harps.... on fluffy white clouds. Haven't you seen the pictures?

I happen to believe that everyone will look more like Stuart Markowitz from LA Law … a very unassuming, typically Jewish appearance just like Jesus (Isaiah 53:2).

However, we will recognize who each person is. (1 Corinthians 13:12) (Mark 9:5)

 

[Messy]

I happen to believe that everyone will look more like Stuart Markowitz from LA Law … a very unassuming, typically Jewish appearance just like Jesus (Isaiah 53:2).

However, we will recognize who each person is. (1 Corinthians 13:12) (Mark 9:5)

I don't want to look like him.
I once watched Ken Gott. He said: Who here is 30? A guy put his hand up in the air. Come to the podium. Guy comes to the podium. He said: In heaven everyone will look like him!

 

[Albion]

Again, Jesus said, "there was a certain rich man" and 'there was a certain beggar named Lazarus". You don't have to believe Him if you don't want to.

I count that kind of lame response as actually saying "I don't have an answer."

 

[Albion]

However, we will recognize who each person is. (1 Corinthians 13:12) (Mark 9:5)

Neither of those verses even comes close to dealing with the actual, specific, issue here.

 

[Lees]

I count that kind of lame response as actually saying "I don't have an answer."

An answer to what? You're the one saying you don't believe what Jesus said.

I gave plenty of response and asked several questions. Which you continue to ignore.

Please answer them.

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[Lees]

Neither of those verses even comes close to dealing with the actual, specific, issue here.

My questions to you address the specific issue.

What reason is there for the believer not to know his loved ones in heaven?

Why does the believer need a lobotomy when he dies and goes to heaven?

Please answer?

Lees

 

[atpollard]

Neither of those verses even comes close to dealing with the actual, specific, issue here.

Did Peter recognize Moses from his statue in the Temple Courtyard?
(Peter recognized someone dead that HE HAD NEVER MET … how much more will we recognize those we knew.)

 

[atpollard]

I don't want to look like him.
I once watched Ken Gott. He said: Who here is 30? A guy put his hand up in the air. Come to the podium. Guy comes to the podium. He said: In heaven everyone will look like him!

What about Bette Midler?

 

[Albion]

Did Peter recognize Moses from his statue in the Temple Courtyard?
(Peter recognized someone dead that HE HAD NEVER MET … how much more will we recognize those we knew.)

Hi. Although they weren't in response to your own posts, I believe I covered that matter in posts 17 and 19.

 

[Lees]

@Albion

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[atpollard]

Hi. Although they weren't in response to your own posts, I believe I covered that matter in posts 17 and 19.

You believe we will recognize all of the OT saints, but none of our family?
OK, then.

 

[Albion]

You believe we will recognize all of the OT saints, but none of our family?
OK, then.

One more time...

What I said is that there is nothing in Scripture that answers the question.

You who are usually so concerned to uphold the authority of Scripture are now riled simply because you want someone to tell you that what you'd LIKE to be true in this case must be true, for sure is true, without any doubt will come true, etc....even though Scripture doesn't support it.

 

[Lees]

One more time...

What I said is that there is nothing in Scripture that answers the question.

You who are usually so concerned to uphold the authority of Scripture are now riled simply because you want someone to tell you that what you'd LIKE to be true in this case must be true, for sure is true, without any doubt will come true, etc....even though Scripture doesn't support it.

Which is where you are wrong. There is Scripture and it has been shown you.

You are riled and refuse to answer my questions because the answers prove the emptiness of your statements.

You like to make statements but when pushed to account for them, you, as always, crawfish.

The bottom line is, there is every reason to believe the believer will know his loved ones in heaven and those he knew on the earth. There is absolutely no reason to believe other wise. And Scripture plainly declares that such is the case. (Luke 16:19-31)

And you offer nothing...nothing, to prove otherwise. Which is why you're mute concerning my questions.

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[Lees]

What reason would there be for concluding that this is for sure what WILL happen to everyone in heaven? I'll tell you. It's because we would like it to be so.

We naturally want the best for our loved ones and we would like to be reunited with some or all of them. But our experiences there are only hinted at in this life, and they will be much different from what we construct now in our own imagining. I also have to reiterate that I didn't reply to the OP by saying that this (recognizing loved ones) absolutely will NOT happen. I said that there is no Biblical basis for concluding that it absolutely will.

What reason? Because it is Scripture. (Luke 16:19-31) proves that we will remember those we knew on earth. That is a Biblical basis.

And you offer nothing to disprove it.

So, again, what reason is there for you to believe the believer will not know in heaven those he knew on earth?

What Scripture do you have to prove your statement?

Why do you perform a lobotomy on the Christian when he dies and goes to heaven? That is absolute non-sense.

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[Lees]

My opinion is this: This insane argument that the believer will not know his loved ones, or any others he knew on earth, is based upon the inability to come to grips with the idea that some of those we loved in our life on earth will not be in heaven. And that we will be aware of that and know that.

Because that is too painful for some to bear at this time, they have opted to destroy the believers memory altogether. They give the believer a lobotomy wiping his memory away.

But that is not the answer. The answer is not the removal of an imperfect knowledge that we have on earth. The answer is the addition of a more perfect knowledge of God and our loved ones that we will have when we are there in a sinless and glorified state.

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[Albion]

The bottom line is, there is every reason to believe the believer will know his loved ones in heaven and those he knew on the earth.

As I said--''reason" is your guide here, not Scripture. And even the reasoning you have explained doesn't add up to "God must of course reunite us with our loved ones in heaven."

It might be fun, though, to apply the same technique to other religious issues.

It doesn't seem as though God had to become Man and die in order for us, his creatures, to be reconciled to him, does it? No, he could just have snapped his celestial fingers and made it happen. That's how a lot of other people think.

And if he really does love us, the Almighty wouldn't allow any misfortunes or unhappiness to befall us in this life, right? That's what "reason" tells many people, too.

You really should not succumb to the same kind of shabby theology yourself.

 

[Albion]

My opinion is this: This insane argument that the believer will not know his loved ones, or any others he knew on earth, is based upon the inability to come to grips with the idea that some of those we loved in our life on earth will not be in heaven.

That's hilarious. You want to lay claim to the Bible, but your argument is entirely based upon rationalism.

And in addition, you are now attacking a POV that I have never advocated in this thread.

 

[Lees]

As I said--''reason" is your guide here, not Scripture. And even the reasoning you have explained doesn't add up to "God must of course reunite us with our loved ones in heaven."

It might be fun, though, to apply the same technique to other religious issues.

It doesn't seem as though God had to become Man and die in order for us, his creatures, to be reconciled to him, does it? No, he could just have snapped his celestial fingers and made it happen. That's how a lot of other people think.

And if he really does love us, the Almighty wouldn't allow any misfortunes or unhappiness to befall us in this life, right? That's what "reason" tells many people, too.

You really should not succumb to the same kind of shabby theology yourself.

No. I have provided Scripture. And your argument against that Scripture is null and void, which is why you refuse to answer my questions.

So, give me Scripture that supports your view. Give Scripture to support that the believer won't know his loved ones in Heaven that he knew on earth.

As to reason you still didn't answer my question. You just tried to muddy the water and avoid the questions with your 'fun'. So, again, what is your reason to believe the Christian will not know those he knew on earth when he gets to heaven?


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[Lees]

That's hilarious. You want to lay claim to the Bible, but your argument is entirely based upon rationalism.

And in addition, you are now attacking a POV that I have never advocated in this thread.

No. It is your belief that is based upon rationalism. By your own words. See post #(2).

Yet you refuse to answer my question. How is it reasonable to believe that the Christian will not know his loved ones in heaven that he knew on earth?

No, I am attacking your view which is unsupported by both reason and Scripture. And I gave my opinion as to why any should hold such a view. I have to do that because your scared to say why you hold this insane view.

So, provide some Scripture and reason for your view.

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[Albion]

No. It is your belief that is based upon rationalism.

Lees

You're only making your position less by trying that maneuver. Just let it go.

We do not get to tell God what heaven will be like and we have not been given to know, through divine revelation, every aspect of what will be.

Most of us hope to have another opportunity to be again with our parents or a spouse who has passed on, for example, and to ask them something or amend some mistake we'd made in life, but we're left for a little while longer just to trust God.