What do you think about these Martin Luther quotes?

[Stravinsk]

Ah, so it's merely a matter of you misunderstanding what they wrote...or else you took the interpretations of various anti-Masons at face value. Yes, that happens.


...,meaning that your "knowledge" of Masonry lacks much, and so the appropriate response would be to take in questionable information but not then pass it along as though you know it to be correct.

O k. I'll just ask plainly here. You're a Freemason?

 

[Albion]

I think you're too naive. The highest ones, they're evil.

And I think you may be too gullible. By the way, which of those "highest ones" do you know personally? What about them have you observed that you consider evil?

Our former queen goes to these Bilderberg meetings that her husband started, who was a Nazi.

...which is not Freemasonry.

Incidentally, the Masons were among the most persecuted of Hitler's victims.

A guy was in a meeting with kings and such and it's on a video from 2010, where he says the meeting was in 2005 and they planned a war with a bomb and corona and they were behind on schedule. They said: China will catch a cold and they were laughing. China was becoming too powerful. If someone said that in 2020, you could say they made that up, but the video is from 2010.

Wow.

But in 2010, it wouldn't take much for anyone to predict that China, the largest nation in the world by population, and which was rapidly industrializing and involving itself in other nations' affairs, would become "too powerful" in the near future.

 

[Messy]

"In the Zohar it is thought that the spirits of evil men become mazzikim after their death. However, there are also good-natured devils who are prepared to help and do favors to men. This is supposed to be particularly true of those demons ruled by Ashmedai (Asmodeus) who accept the Torah and are con- sidered "Jewish demons.""

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Kabbalah​

by Scholem, Gershom Gerhard, 1897-1982

My dad had a kaballah book in his book shelf in the living room. He never read it. My mom hated it. She just threw it away and he never noticed lol. Her friend from church, her husband had some occult statue in their living room. She hated it. Then one day she said: Oopsie. It fell when I was vacuuming.

 

[Messy]

And I think you may be too gullible. By the way, which of those "highest ones" do you know personally? What about them have you observed that you consider evil?


...which is not Freemasonry.

Incidentally, the Masons were among the most persecuted of Hitler's victims.



Wow.

But in 2010, it wouldn't take much for anyone to predict that China, the largest nation in the world by population, and which was rapidly industrializing and involving itself in other nations' affairs, would become "too powerful" in the near future.

It was already becoming too powerful. That was not the prediction. They said: China will catch a cold and it would then go over the whole world. Corona. It was in London. They let them be infected with the coronavirus and they were laughing when they were planning that.
It would be genetically targeted against the Chinese people, they said.

I don't know if they were Masons or whatever, but it was some occult club and my granddad was in Rosecrucianism. I looked that up on their own site. They have some evil occult stuff.

 

[Messy]

If you live in America, or generally in the west, you aren't given a good deal of history on the Jews (except for to feel sorry for them, especially in relation to the supposed 6 million that died during the Holocaust). The western media and schooling doesn't deal in great depth with the 10's of millions of Russian Christians that died when Bolshevikism took hold, a primarily Jewish movement. They might mention that the Jews were abused throughout history in Europe/Russia, but the reason for that is because of general "hate" and "anti-semitism" and racism and what not - if you believe that. I don't. There are reasons for the distrust and expulsion of Jews over the centuries that are more than "they aren't Christians like us".

There are reasons. The devil wanted to kill them, so Jesus can't come back.
Putin is demon posessed. Russia (Gorbatchov was sweet though) is antisemetic and God will destroy them when they come up against Israel in the last days. Ezekiel 38
They had to flee Russia.
Zecharia 2
“Up, up! Flee from the land of the north,” says the Lord; “for I have spread you abroad like the four winds of heaven,” says the Lord. 7 “Up, Zion! Escape, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon.”

I read a book from a Jew who first went to a concentration camp and then the war was over and it got worse, cause he had to go to a Russian camp. It was more evil, he said. Then he went to Israel and a girl told him the Gospel and he said it was easy to get mad at her, but he got saved.
My mom's family hid Jews in their house. Read Corrie ten Boom. Dutch family. They went to a concentration camp because they hid Jews. My mother's father and brothers also went to a camp for hiding Jews.

And 'christians' were always jealous, cause they wanted to be the chosen ones.

A Deadly, Anti-Israel Theological Error - Charisma News

The idea that God is finished with the Jewish people as a nation and that the church has replaced Israel in God's plan is not only a serious theological error. It is a deadly one as well.It was this false theology that helped fuel the fires of Jew hatred in one of the early church's

www.charismanews.com

 

[Albion]

I don't know if they were Masons or whatever,

Well, it does make a difference, you know.

but it was some occult club and my granddad was in Rosecrucianism. I looked that up on their own site. They have some evil occult stuff.

I'm sure that there do exist some such organizations, but none of what you've referred to here suggests Freemasonry.

 

[Stravinsk]

There are reasons. The devil wanted to kill them, so Jesus can't come back.
Putin is demon posessed. Russia (Gorbatchov was sweet though) is antisemetic and God will destroy them when they come up against Israel in the last days.

Pretty sure coming in a way that all the world will see doesn't necessitate being born into the human family again. As for Putin, my information is that he works with and mingles with Rabbinic Jews just like nearly all world leaders do nowadays.

And 'christians' were always jealous, cause they wanted to be the chosen ones.

A Deadly, Anti-Israel Theological Error - Charisma News

The idea that God is finished with the Jewish people as a nation and that the church has replaced Israel in God's plan is not only a serious theological error. It is a deadly one as well.It was this false theology that helped fuel the fires of Jew hatred in one of the early church's

www.charismanews.com

"Chosen ones"? Judah wasn't even chosen for the Abrahamic blessing. That fell to Joseph, remember? Judah was chosen to bring forth Christ, and then (at least the Pharisees and Herodians) rejected Him. They weren't "chosen" because they were the most shiny tribe of Israel. They certainly weren't pure before God. Not in Christ's day, and not before.

That article is certainly pretty biased and accusatory. It assumes the reasons for Luther's book and attitude, and it assumes the reasons (wrongly, I might add) for Hitler's expulsion program (that is to say expulsion, not extermination). The allies never found any proof in German correspondence there was a extermination program. We, as post war children, are shown pictures and given an explanation by the winners of the war.

When I mentioned the expulsion of Jews over the centuries in Europe (and Russia) I of course wasn't just referring to the early 20th Century. They have been first welcomed then expelled numerous times over 2000 years from all kinds of countries. Given the history of usury, mocking Christianity along with Talmudic and other writings that either bias the Jew against the Gentile, or corrupt Scripture, or teach evil things, it is mostly ignorance that says it has anything to do with race or peaceful practice of religion. They were considered troublemakers.

 

[Messy]

Pretty sure coming in a way that all the world will see doesn't necessitate being born into the human family again. As for Putin, my information is that he works with and mingles with Rabbinic Jews just like nearly all world leaders do nowadays.


"Chosen ones"? Judah wasn't even chosen for the Abrahamic blessing. That fell to Joseph, remember? Judah was chosen to bring forth Christ, and then (at least the Pharisees and Herodians) rejected Him. They weren't "chosen" because they were the most shiny tribe of Israel. They certainly weren't pure before God. Not in Christ's day, and not before.

That article is certainly pretty biased and accusatory. It assumes the reasons for Luther's book and attitude, and it assumes the reasons (wrongly, I might add) for Hitler's expulsion program (that is to say expulsion, not extermination). The allies never found any proof in German correspondence there was a extermination program. We, as post war children, are shown pictures and given an explanation by the winners of the war.

When I mentioned the expulsion of Jews over the centuries in Europe (and Russia) I of course wasn't just referring to the early 20th Century. They have been first welcomed then expelled numerous times over 2000 years from all kinds of countries. Given the history of usury, mocking Christianity along with Talmudic and other writings that either bias the Jew against the Gentile, or corrupt Scripture, or teach evil things, it is mostly ignorance that says it has anything to do with race or peaceful practice of religion. They were considered troublemakers.

I live in Holland. My parents went through WWII and all older people. They knew how evil the Nazi's were and all these Jews were driven out of their houses and never returned. One guy went there to see and warn people. A lot of Dutch sided with the Germans and betrayed Jews and christians who helped them. In one Northern province the reformed were more studied and rich and a lot of Jews were rich and the reformed helped them and hid them in their houses. The hervormden there though, another brand of reformed, were poorer, so they sided with the Germans, socialists, they wanted money and they betrayed the reformed and the Jews and almost all of them were killed. Hitler was a forerunner of the antichrist.

 

[Messy]

"Chosen ones"? Judah wasn't even chosen for the Abrahamic blessing. That fell to Joseph, remember? Judah was chosen to bring forth Christ, and then (at least the Pharisees and Herodians) rejected Him. They weren't "chosen" because they were the most shiny tribe of Israel. They certainly weren't pure before God. Not in Christ's day, and not before.

Israel is God's chosen people. He has a covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There was always a remnant from Israel and Juda that did follow Him and in the last days they will all come back to God.

But not all of Israel are Israel. Most of the pharisees were children of satan.

Revelation 2 says this:

The Persecuted Church​

8 “And to the [d]angel of the church in Smyrna write,

‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: 9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a [e]synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.


Here are Jews persecuting christians. Through the ages with the crusades you can't say they persecuted christians. The nations in which they were dispersed persecuted them and God will judge them for it.

Revelation 3:
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept [g]My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


Ezekiel 37 dry bones revived
Zecharia 12
12 The [a]burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of [b]drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day,” says the Lord, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.’ 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.

7 “The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Mourning for the Pierced One​

10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of [c]Megiddo.

 

[Stravinsk]

Israel is God's chosen people. He has a covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. There was always a remnant from Israel and Juda that did follow Him and in the last days they will all come back to God.

But not all of Israel are Israel. Most of the pharisees were children of satan.

Revelation 2 says this:

The Persecuted Church​

8 “And to the [d]angel of the church in Smyrna write,

‘These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life: 9 “I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a [e]synagogue of Satan. 10 Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.


Here are Jews persecuting christians. Through the ages with the crusades you can't say they persecuted christians. The nations in which they were dispersed persecuted them and God will judge them for it.

Revelation 3:
9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. 10 Because you have kept [g]My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


Ezekiel 37 dry bones revived
Zecharia 12
12 The [a]burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 “Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of [b]drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day,” says the Lord, “I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, ‘The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.’ 6 In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place—Jerusalem.

7 “The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah. 8 In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. 9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Mourning for the Pierced One​

10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of [c]Megiddo.

This may come as news to you, but "Israel" includes 12 tribes, of which Judah was only one. Moses wasn't even a Jew. He was a Levite. The people that escaped from Egypt weren't just Jews or Judeans. There's 11 more tribes in that number. Dispersed as we may be, Israel still exists as those children of the 11 tribes throughout the earth. That was the Abrahamic blessing. To be a father of many peoples. To deny this would be to deny God's promise to Abraham. Israel still exists, but it isn't a state over in the middle east and it isn't (just) any from the tribe of Judah who are around.

 

[Messy]

This may come as news to you, but "Israel" includes 12 tribes, of which Judah was only one. Moses wasn't even a Jew. He was a Levite. The people that escaped from Egypt weren't just Jews or Judeans. There's 11 more tribes in that number. Dispersed as we may be, Israel still exists as those children of the 11 tribes throughout the earth. That was the Abrahamic blessing. To be a father of many peoples. To deny this would be to deny God's promise to Abraham. Israel still exists, but it isn't a state over in the middle east and it isn't (just) any from the tribe of Judah who are around.

Yes He chose Israel of which Juda is a part to bless the whole earth. When they didn't want to all accept Him as Messiah He went to the foolish gentiles to make them jealous and get His ex back, and so save everyone, cause they made Him jealous with their false gods.

Deuteronomy 32
They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God; They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols. But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a nation; I will move them to anger by a foolish nation.

Psalms 105:10-11

He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant: “To you I will give the land of Canaan as the portion you will inherit.

David is from Juda.

The Lord's Eternal Covenant with David​

JEREMIAH 33​

14 'Behold, the days are coming,' says the LORD, 'that I will perform that good thing which I have promised to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah: 15 'In those days and at that time
I will cause to grow up to David
A Branch of righteousness;
He shall execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. 16 In those days Judah will be saved,
And Jerusalem will dwell safely.
And this is the name by which she will be called:
THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.'
17 "For thus says the LORD: 'David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; 18 'nor shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.' "
19 And the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 20 "Thus says the LORD: 'If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that there will not be day and night in their season, 21 'then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant, so that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levites, the priests, My ministers. 22 'As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.' "
23 Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying, 24 "Have you not considered what these people have spoken, saying, 'The two families which the LORD has chosen, He has also cast them off'? Thus they have despised My people, as if they should no more be a nation before them. 25 "Thus says the LORD: 'If My covenant is not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth, 26 'then I will cast away the descendants of Jacob and David My servant, so that I will not take any of his descendants to be rulers over the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. For I will cause their captives to return, and will have mercy on them.' "

He divorced Israel, but not Juda. Israel mixed with the nations. The state Israel is the fulfilling of prophecies. He let the Romans ruin Jerusalem and kicked them out, so later the remnant would come back.

Acts 1 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
Matthew 23:37‭, ‬39

Ezekiel 37

Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”

One Kingdom, One King​

15 Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 16 “As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.’ 17 Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.

18 “And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, ‘Will you not show us what you mean by these?’— 19 say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.” ’ 20 And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.”

 

[Messy]

By the way all through the O.T. they hated and wanted to destroy Israel and now they want to drive them into the sea.
And Haman in the book of Esther wanted to destroy them.
If Hitler wasn't an evil demon posessed murderer ISIS and Hamas must be sweethearts too, yet no European country wants to take radical muslims in, but they say Israel should be sweet to them.

 

[Stravinsk]

Psalms 105:10-11

He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, to Israel as an everlasting covenant: “To you I will give the land of Canaan as the portion you will inherit.

David is from Juda.

If it was an everlasting covenant - by which you imply in the rest of your message that only Judah inherits, then God didn't give it to Israel, only 1 tribe of Israel. Furthermore, if JUDAH was part of this EVERLASTING COVENANT and JUDAH ALONE was the "remnant", then for 1900 long years Judah is DENIED the "everlasting covenant" - unless of course you include the small amount of Jews in Palestine before Israel became a state again.

That being said, if the covenant was/is everlasting and never ceased, then the people of Palestine prior to Israel's re-established statehood (of which Jews,Muslims and Christians were all a part) then these people (even the non-jews) form part of the covenant.

He divorced Israel, but not Juda. Israel mixed with the nations. The state Israel is the fulfilling of prophecies. He let the Romans ruin Jerusalem and kicked them out, so later the remnant would come back.

Where in the prophecies does it say that ONLY JUDAH will inherit the land of Palestine? Israel contained 12 tribes, so please don't use that word as Jews typically do as if there was only 1 tribe.

Note to readers, the following is a passage about when Judah (Judea) and Israel are names of nations, rather than specific people from whom they come:

Jeremiah 3:8

And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Continuing through Jeremiah 5 Judah is still screwing up!

Where does this special marriage to Judah and Judah alone take place?

 

[Stravinsk]

Continuing through Jeremiah 5 Judah is still screwing up!

Where does this special marriage to Judah and Judah alone take place?

I read around 30 chapters of Jeremiah today trying to find where the marriage annulment doesn't take place, and God changes his mind both about the tribes of Israel and Judah. I can't find it. Instead it's chapter after chapter of warnings of what will happen because of non-repentance of Israel/Judah at that time. They wind up going to Babylon for 1000 years.

When they return, it seems that the remaining people's from the tribes adopt Judah (hence, "Jews") as their name, being not just from Judah, but the other tribes as well returning from Babylon. That leaves about 500 years or so before Christ.

"The land will be left desolate" is a common warning in Jeremiah prior to the exile to Babylon.

"Your house is left desolate" is what Christ says about Rabbinic Judaism/The Scribes and Pharisees of His day. He utterly condemns them in Matthew 23. About 40 years later, they are destroyed again and scattered around the earth...for 1900 years, with no prophecy of Christ or definitively of the prophets that I can find that tells of their being given the land again - unless it's in a new heaven and earth.


But, there was 2 huge world wars and united Jewry under the Rothschild banner(arguably the richest family name in the world) claimed Israel. People say it started when Poland was invaded but it actually started in 1933 with the newspaper title: "Judea declares war on Germany" when the world wide boycott and and propaganda campaign went into full gear. What God needed apparently, was tons of $$ "buy war bonds!!!" lent at interest - a practice frequently condemned in the OT, the owners of most of the major publishing houses to rile the world up, and after that, millions upon millions dead (mostly citizens and soldiers but also some jews too). God's plan. Oh, what a Holy God. You just have to give it to this God, this mass murderer of innocents (no matter who you believe those innocents to be) so that the people he utterly condemned 1900 years ago with Christs words, and before that with Jeremiah's words prior to a 1000 year exile in Babylon - could have a home he Himself took from them, twice, because of their many sins, their murder of the prophets, their murder of Christ and their perversions of Scripture with their extra writings.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot a very significant part. The world had to pay, not only in blood and suffering, but in $$. Them, their children, their children's children through debt with interest and so on making a handful of extremely rich bankers and business men even richer, because apparently, God loves rich people, and they get into heaven first. Camel through the eye of the needle stuff? Meh!


That's the insane story most people believe.

 

[Messy]

If it was an everlasting covenant - by which you imply in the rest of your message that only Judah inherits, then God didn't give it to Israel, only 1 tribe of Israel. Furthermore, if JUDAH was part of this EVERLASTING COVENANT and JUDAH ALONE was the "remnant", then for 1900 long years Judah is DENIED the "everlasting covenant" - unless of course you include the small amount of Jews in Palestine before Israel became a state again.

That being said, if the covenant was/is everlasting and never ceased, then the people of Palestine prior to Israel's re-established statehood (of which Jews,Muslims and Christians were all a part) then these people (even the non-jews) form part of the covenant.




Where in the prophecies does it say that ONLY JUDAH will inherit the land of Palestine? Israel contained 12 tribes, so please don't use that word as Jews typically do as if there was only 1 tribe.

Note to readers, the following is a passage about when Judah (Judea) and Israel are names of nations, rather than specific people from whom they come:

Jeremiah 3:8

And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Continuing through Jeremiah 5 Judah is still screwing up!

Where does this special marriage to Judah and Judah alone take place?

It is not to Judah alone. Thay text I copy pasted said He makes them one. Jesus doesn't marry 2 brides. He made them one and got rid of the middle wall of seperation.
The lost tribes come back too, but if all the natural offspring from Judah and Israel has to go live in Israel they may build gigantic flats. Jews mixed with gentiles. The other tribes mixed with the gentiles. Revelation talks about the 144.000 from all the tribes.

Who Are The “Lost Tribes of Israel”?

The “Lost Tribes of Israel”: After King David’s son Solomon died in the tenth century B.C., internal strife and sin divided their single united kingdom into two separate entities.

www.jewishvoice.org

In 722 BC, Assyria conquered the Northern Kingdom of Israel. While many of the 10 Northern tribes emigrated to Judah, some members of these tribes fled, were taken captive or deported to other lands. (See 2 Kings 17:5–6 and 1 Chronicles 5:26.) These became known as the 10 “Lost Tribes.”


So what they call Jews are not just from Juda.


Where did the Lost Tribes of Israel go?
Captives from Israel’s 10 tribes were taken north, south, and east. Some who fled captivity went south into Egypt while others followed trade routes eastward into the Orient, some continuing their migration across the millennia.

Where are the Lost Tribes of Israel now?
Did they disappear? Did they assimilate into other societies? Were they persecuted and wiped out?

Because of persecution over the centuries in many of the countries in which they now live, many hid their Jewish heritage by practicing their faith in secret. Some are locally known to be Jewish – and suffer prejudice and persecution because of it – but have only recently become known to the rest of the world.

In the last 75 years or so, Jewish communities have become known in Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, India, China, and other surprising countries. Even more surprising to some is that members of the Lost Tribes living in these countries look like any other people native to these regions.

By the way:

 

[Messy]

I read around 30 chapters of Jeremiah today trying to find where the marriage annulment doesn't take place, and God changes his mind both about the tribes of Israel and Judah. I can't find it. Instead it's chapter after chapter of warnings of what will happen because of non-repentance of Israel/Judah at that time. They wind up going to Babylon for 1000 years.

When they return, it seems that the remaining people's from the tribes adopt Judah (hence, "Jews") as their name, being not just from Judah, but the other tribes as well returning from Babylon. That leaves about 500 years or so before Christ.

"The land will be left desolate" is a common warning in Jeremiah prior to the exile to Babylon.

"Your house is left desolate" is what Christ says about Rabbinic Judaism/The Scribes and Pharisees of His day. He utterly condemns them in Matthew 23. About 40 years later, they are destroyed again and scattered around the earth...for 1900 years, with no prophecy of Christ or definitively of the prophets that I can find that tells of their being given the land again - unless it's in a new heaven and earth.


But, there was 2 huge world wars and united Jewry under the Rothschild banner(arguably the richest family name in the world) claimed Israel. People say it started when Poland was invaded but it actually started in 1933 with the newspaper title: "Judea declares war on Germany" when the world wide boycott and and propaganda campaign went into full gear. What God needed apparently, was tons of $$ "buy war bonds!!!" lent at interest - a practice frequently condemned in the OT, the owners of most of the major publishing houses to rile the world up, and after that, millions upon millions dead (mostly citizens and soldiers but also some jews too). God's plan. Oh, what a Holy God. You just have to give it to this God, this mass murderer of innocents (no matter who you believe those innocents to be) so that the people he utterly condemned 1900 years ago with Christs words, and before that with Jeremiah's words prior to a 1000 year exile in Babylon - could have a home he Himself took from them, twice, because of their many sins, their murder of the prophets, their murder of Christ and their perversions of Scripture with their extra writings.


That's the insane story most people believe.

Ezekiel 36

8 But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. 9 For indeed I am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. 10 I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and nthe ruins rebuilt. 11 oI will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and 4bear young; I will make you inhabited as in former times, and do pbetter for you than at your beginnings. qThen you shall know that I am the Lord.


Ezekiel 37.

The hand of the Lord came upon me and brought me out in the Spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley; and it was full of bones. 2 Then He caused me to pass by them all around, and behold, there were very many in the open valley; and indeed they were very dry. 3 And He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?”

So I answered, “O Lord God, You know.”

4 Again He said to me, “Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, ‘O dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! 5 Thus says the Lord God to these bones: “Surely I will cause breath to enter into you, and you shall live. 6 I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ ”

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and suddenly a rattling; and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 Indeed, as I looked, the sinews and the flesh came upon them, and the skin covered them over; but there was no breath in them.

9 Also He said to me, “Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the [a]breath, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” ’ ” 10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and [b]breath came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, an exceedingly great army.

11 Then He said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They indeed say, ‘Our bones are dry, our hope is lost, and we ourselves are cut off!’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13 Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. 14 I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’ ”


Hosea 6:2 and a day is like 1000 years for God:

After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.


Hosea 1

When the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea:

“Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry
And children of harlotry,
For the land has committed great [a]harlotry
By departing from the Lord.”
3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim, and she conceived and bore him a son. 4 Then the Lord said to him:

“Call his name Jezreel,
For in a little while
I will avenge the bloodshed of Jezreel on the house of Jehu,
And bring an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel.
5 It shall come to pass in that day
That I will break the bow of Israel in the Valley of Jezreel.”
6 And she conceived again and bore a daughter. Then God said to him:

“Call her name [b]Lo-Ruhamah,
For I will no longer have mercy on the house of Israel,
[c]But I will utterly take them away.
7 Yet I will have mercy on the house of Judah,
Will save them by the Lord their God,
And will not save them by bow,
Nor by sword or battle,
By horses or horsemen.”
8 Now when she had weaned Lo-Ruhamah, she conceived and bore a son. 9 Then God said:

“Call his name [d]Lo-Ammi,
For you are not My people,
And I will not be your God.

The Restoration of Israel​

10 “Yet the number of the children of Israel
Shall be as the sand of the sea,
Which cannot be measured or numbered.
And it shall come to pass
In the place where it was said to them,
‘You are [e]not My people,’
There it shall be said to them,
‘You are sons of the living God.’
11 Then the children of Judah and the children of Israel
Shall be gathered together,
And appoint for themselves one head;
And they shall come up out of the land,
For great will be the day of Jezreel!

 

[Messy]

Daniel 9

Seventy [e]weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
[f]To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint [g]the Most Holy.
25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the [i]wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate.”

https://israelmyglory.org/article/the-regathering-of-israel/:

How can the Antichrist make a covenant with Israel at the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week, except she be a nation at that time? Why would Israel make such a covenant with the Antichrist, except she be in her land in spiritual blindness? Why would the Antichrist even want to make a covenant with Israel, except she be a nation of some political and international importance? How could the Antichrist break the covenant and desecrate the Temple in the middle of the Tribulation period, except a Temple be built by Israel before that time? The plain facts clearly show that in the last days, the second and final reestablishment of Israel in her land, in spiritual blindness, will become the most astounding sign of the time!

 

[Messy]

A forefather of me was M.S. Bromet. He wrote a little book Elishoea on how he came to know that Jesus is the Messiah. He was not a real forefather. He was the brother of Jacques Bromet who died at 23 and had kids with a former slave and he took them in. He saw that there would never stop to be a heir on the throne of David until Shiloh comes and then Israel was not a nation and there was no ruler in Israel, so the Messiah had to have come already. In Daniel he saw that He would come around the time Jesus came and it could be noone else. The Messiah would restore the kingdom of Israel, so he saw it was gonna be 2 phased.

This is from his book:

And behold, a light came upon me when I read Isaiah 11 again, for then I found that in that chapter it speaks of the beginning or birth of Messiah, and the glory of his rest.
In verse 1 I read that He would come forth as a twig or be born of the stump of a tree that was cut down from Jesse (this I understood meant from the house of David that at birth He would be like a stump of a tree that was cut down from it) and in verse 10, that the Gentiles must first be gathered unto him (as also Jacob prophesied, Gen. 49:10), and then his rest should be glorious; or, in other words, he would appear to our people the second time, or come again in his Rest, to reign as King. (Jeremiah 23:5-6.) Then Isaiah goes on to predict in the 11th verse that at that time Israel will be restored a second time to the land of the Fathers. "For it shall come to pass in that day (when the wolf shall dwell with the lamb), that Israel shall go again to Jerusalem, and then shall the Messiah appear again, and as his people shall be restored the second time, so shall he (Messiah ) come a second time.

but I was not quite sure that this view of mine was the right one, until I read in Zechariah 12:10, that our people, when they return to Jerusalem, shall see their Messiah, stated in these words, "They shall see me." whom they have pierced." Now the question occurred to me: Who was pierced by my people? The prophecy says: Me, even the Lord, who speaks there by the mouth of Zechariah. They shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, then shall be when Messiah cometh into his rest; and I now began to cherish the desire to know whether the Christian book also speaks of a second coming of the Christians Messiah. That desire was fully satisfied when I read the words contained in Matt. 24:27, where Jesus says, "For as lightning goes forth from the east and shines to the west, so also shall the coming (or second coming) of the Son of man be;" and again in Matt. 23:39, speaking to the Jews, "For I tell you, you will not see me from now on, until you say, Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." The thought then occurred to me, seeing that our fathers pierced Jesus (on the cross), if He would also be our Messiah, who came to Zech. 12:10, would be seen by Israel. First when I read in the book of the Christians called the Acts of the Apostles, ch. 1:11: "This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, shall come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven," shall come again, then all became clear to me, that since Jesus was pierced by our fathers , and He shall come again, and the prophet Zechariah speaks of one pierced, whom he calls the Lord, who shall come to our people, that therefore there must be talk of a second coming of the Messiah, and that since He comes pierced , He (Jesus) who must be Messiah. They shall look upon me whom they have pierced. How then, I asked myself, is it to be explained, if Jesus of Nazareth was indeed pierced by our fathers, and appeared at the proper time when to our prophets the Messiah of Israel should come, that He was not accepted by our learned rabbis? and here I further saw from God's Word that this also was foretold by Isaiah, that He (Messiah,) should be to us a stone of stumbling, and a rock of stumbling (Isa. 8:14) and that was foretold of our people : "Seeing they shall not see." After this discovery my doubt vanished, and I then understood that when Messiah comes again, then the wolf will converse with the lamb, and that second coming would be the rest of the Messiah. So the *H.T.* Holy Spirit must be poured out on us before we will have eyes to see. That spirit was promised to be poured out upon the house of David (Zech. 12:10), "But upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, will I pour out the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon me that they have pierced." And wonderful indeed, after having received that Spirit, Israel shall behold Him whom they have pierced, and mourn for Him as for an only begotten son! Raised up by that Spirit, Israel, who for eighteen centuries has been without King, Prince (Daniel also calls the Messiah the Prince), or sacrifice, will turn to God and seek David their King; (David I understood here as meaning Messiah) (see Hosea 3:4.)

Btw my brother translated the book (this is translated back to English with Google) and he had no Hebrew letters, so he made H.T. from God's Name.

 

[Messy]

It was funny, cause when my dad was an atheist and figuring out our family tree and got this book from my granddad, he sent it to people in Israel, saying: hey we are family. You might find this interesting. The whole book is a plea to get other Jews saved. Also my dad is white and he was a teacher. At his school came a new teacher who was from Surinam and was called Bromet, but that guy was black of course, so he enthusiastically said: hey we must be family! And the man thought he was nuts LOL.

 

[Messy]

I just saw this in Lees' prophecy thread:

Ezekiel 11

Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 15 “Son of man, your brethren, your relatives, your countrymen, and all the house of Israel in its entirety, are those about whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, ‘Get far away from the Lord; this land has been given to us as a possession.’ 16 Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Although I have cast them far off among the Gentiles, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet I shall be a little [d]sanctuary for them in the countries where they have gone.” ’ 17 Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.” ’ 18 And they will go there, and they will take away all its detestable things and all its abominations from there. 19 Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within [e]them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, 20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

And there's Joel 3

For behold, in those days and at that time,
When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations,
And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
And I will enter into judgment with them there
On account of My people, My heritage Israel,
Whom they have scattered among the nations;
They have also divided up My land.
3 They have cast lots for My people,
Have given a boy as payment for a harlot,
And sold a girl for wine, that they may drink.

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and moon will grow dark,
And the stars will diminish their brightness.
16 The Lord also will roar from Zion,
And utter His voice from Jerusalem;
The heavens and earth will shake;
But the Lord will be a shelter for His people,
And the strength of the children of Israel.
17 “So you shall know that I am the Lord your God,
Dwelling in Zion My holy mountain.
Then Jerusalem shall be holy,
And no aliens shall ever pass through her again.”