As you have gotten older

[Jazzy]

As you have gotten older have you become more liberal or more conservative, and in what ways?

 

[Lamb]

I've become more conservative as I grow older since I realize that a lot of liberal thinking goes against traditional Christian values.

 

[Albion]

I've become more conservative as I grow older since I realize that a lot of liberal thinking goes against traditional Christian values.

That's partly because conservatism is based upon having learned what 'works' and is beneficial, whereas modern liberalism is based upon theories and speculation about what will work well.

Then when the liberals' theories don't succeed, and perhaps even cause more harm than good, these people just move along to some other guess.

 

[tango]

As you have gotten older have you become more liberal or more conservative, and in what ways?

If anything I've become more libertarian. I just want the government to butt out and leave me alone.

 

[Josiah]

As you have gotten older have you become more liberal or more conservative, and in what ways?

Philosophically - more conservative.

Attitudinally - more liberal. To use a word I hate, I'm more "tolerant" or perhaps just less bothered by things variant to my views.



.

 

[Lamb]

Philosophically - more conservative.

Attitudinally - more liberal. To use a word I hate, I'm more "tolerant" or perhaps just less bothered by things variant to my views.



.

Is that because you live in California which is prime real estate for liberal thinking and you've become too accustomed to it?

There is a story where a guy is seen walking naked down the street and a woman yells out, There's a naked guy walking down the street!! She was shocked. The next day she sees him again and is a little less shocked since she saw him the day before. It keeps going on daily with the naked guy walking down the street, until the woman is no longer shocked by his presence.

 

[Josiah]

Is that because you live in California which is prime real estate for liberal thinking and you've become too accustomed to it?

I've become more conservative in my thinking.

There is a story where a guy is seen walking naked down the street and a woman yells out, There's a naked guy walking down the street!! She was shocked. The next day she sees him again and is a little less shocked since she saw him the day before. It keeps going on daily with the naked guy walking down the street, until the woman is no longer shocked by his presence.

But yes, I'm less angered by those who disagree with me.

For example, sometime back, my beloved and I went on a date (thank God for grandparents - they are free babysitters) and we started with a beautiful bar connected to a high end hotel, a bar with beautiful views of the ocean and without a band - nice and quiet, condusive to conversation. Anyway, our server was obviously a transvestite, a man dressed as a woman. 10 years ago, this would have bothered me. It just no longer does. He/she did his/her job very well, was respectful and friendly toward us, certainly did not ask us to approve of him/her in any way. I gave him/her the same tip I would have otherwise.




.

 

[Faith]

As you have gotten older have you become more liberal or more conservative, and in what ways?

More conservative, I think.

 

[tango]

I've become more conservative in my thinking.





But yes, I'm less angered by those who disagree with me.

For example, sometime back, my beloved and I went on a date (thank God for grandparents - they are free babysitters) and we started with a beautiful bar connected to a high end hotel, a bar with beautiful views of the ocean and without a band - nice and quiet, condusive to conversation. Anyway, our server was obviously a transvestite, a man dressed as a woman. 10 years ago, this would have bothered me. It just no longer does. He/she did his/her job very well, was respectful and friendly toward us, certainly did not ask us to approve of him/her in any way. I gave him/her the same tip I would have otherwise.

I think that boils down to the question that if someone's life choices, however weird they might seem to us, aren't hurting anybody else then there's no reason to be bothered by it.

 

[Stravinsk]

I think that boils down to the question that if someone's life choices, however weird they might seem to us, aren't hurting anybody else then there's no reason to be bothered by it.

Unless it's stuff that only makes a small media outlet or 2 and not much of a wider audience.

Media Ignores Trans Commies Raping Child

 

[ValleyGal]

I value my faith more than anything in the world. I value the right to choose my faith. Without that right, I would be forced into hiding or into another religion that I reject. I value my right to choose how to live - my location, my career, my partner, my obedience to the God I love, how to vote (liberal, conservative, or somewhere in between), how to raise my child or spend my free time.

Hypocrisy is "he practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform." I am a hypocrite if I claim to value these rights for myself if I do not also value these rights for everyone else to choose their own faith or way to live.

For that reason, some people will call me very liberal, because I do not judge how other people live. I believe in self-determination. And I believe they should have the right to choose sin. But yet.... I live very conservatively and have conservative values. For example, I would never choose abortion, but do not expect whatever powers that be, to force other women to live by my value. Those who are not believers should not be forced to live by Christian values. But it does not mean that I support their decisions. I support their right to choose, but I would never drive someone to the city to get one. The Bible even talks about how God hands them over to their sin. It is up to them to account for themselves to God. I will make an account for my self, and I will bow before the Christ who saves me from having to pay the price for my sin and my sin nature.

As for the video, sexually different people are no more likely to commit crimes of power (sexual crimes are more about power-over than about sex) than hetero. It is never okay to commit crime of any kind. Period.

 

[tango]

Unless it's stuff that only makes a small media outlet or 2 and not much of a wider audience.

Media Ignores Trans Commies Raping Child

Hard to take it seriously with a title of "trans commies" but either way raping, whoever the victim, doesn't fall under "not hurting anyone else" so doesn't apply to what I was saying.

The media ignoring stuff that doesn't suit their preferred narrative isn't a new thing.

 

[Albion]

For that reason, some people will call me very liberal, because I do not judge how other people live.

?? I can't imagine why they'd put that label on you for not judging how other people live!

I believe in self-determination. And I believe they should have the right to choose sin. But yet.... I live very conservatively and have conservative values. For example, I would never choose abortion, but do not expect whatever powers that be, to force other women to live by my value.

I don't believe in stealing other people's possessions, and yet I do expect whatever powers that be to enforce that law in the case of any people who do engage in theft.

 

[tango]

I don't believe in stealing other people's possessions, and yet I do expect whatever powers that be to enforce that law in the case of any people who do engage in theft.

There is something of a difference between lifestyle choices that don't affect anyone else and breaking the law.

If you steal my stuff I will expect the law to dole out consequences, assuming I don't get there first. But I really couldn't care less what you do in your bedroom, or who you do it with. If you want to wear a dress, identify as a leprechaun, spend all your money on your project to send your pet gerbil to the moon, have at it.

Admittedly abortion does blur a few lines because most people focus on the rights of the mother while much of the more liberal stance on the matter doesn't even consider whether the unborn has any rights.

 

[Josiah]

I value my faith more than anything in the world. I value the right to choose my faith. Without that right, I would be forced into hiding or into another religion that I reject. I value my right to choose how to live - my location, my career, my partner, my obedience to the God I love, how to vote (liberal, conservative, or somewhere in between), how to raise my child or spend my free time.

Hypocrisy is "he practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform." I am a hypocrite if I claim to value these rights for myself if I do not also value these rights for everyone else to choose their own faith or way to live.

For that reason, some people will call me very liberal, because I do not judge how other people live. I believe in self-determination. And I believe they should have the right to choose sin. But yet.... I live very conservatively and have conservative values. For example, I would never choose abortion, but do not expect whatever powers that be, to force other women to live by my value. Those who are not believers should not be forced to live by Christian values. But it does not mean that I support their decisions. I support their right to choose, but I would never drive someone to the city to get one. The Bible even talks about how God hands them over to their sin. It is up to them to account for themselves to God. I will make an account for my self, and I will bow before the Christ who saves me from having to pay the price for my sin and my sin nature.

As for the video, sexually different people are no more likely to commit crimes of power (sexual crimes are more about power-over than about sex) than hetero. It is never okay to commit crime of any kind. Period.

Understood, but like all liberals, I suspect this is very arbitrary. With all due respect, you say you are against abortion (and would never kill your unborn baby) YET you won't tell another what to do - they can kill her. Now, if it was YOU rather than that unborn baby, I suspect your liberal view would suddenly make a "180." That you'd be strongly in favor of determining their values and actions thereupon. Just one example.

And you show a lot of respect for the law ("It's never okay to commit a crime") as if the state determines those things where liberalism doesn't apply. But which laws? Which state? For a very long time, it was the law that one could own a slave... was thus slavery good or at least something you would keep silent about, letting one do as they pleased since it wasn't against the law? For a very long time, it was okay to openly discriminate against Blacks - not against the law (indeed, sometimes it was the law) so was it okay then but not now? It used to be illegal to have an abortion so did liberalism not apply then, but then it became legal, so does liberalism now apply?

???


Blessings! Nice you see you around again!


- Josiah

 

[Albion]

There is something of a difference between lifestyle choices that don't affect anyone else and breaking the law.

I agree, which is why the example that we were offered prompted the reply I gave. That one did "affect" someone else. Fatally.

Admittedly abortion does blur a few lines because most people focus on the rights of the mother while much of the more liberal stance on the matter doesn't even consider whether the unborn has any rights.

That is indeed what the more liberal stance holds, but its devotees are what's called "science deniers" since the unborn child is not just a clump of cells (as used to be the standard excuse).

 

[ValleyGal]

Now, if it was YOU rather than that unborn baby, I suspect your liberal view would suddenly make a "180." That you'd be strongly in favor of determining their values and actions thereupon. Just one example.

It is always the victim who suffers, and they have no choice in the matter. I'm sure anyone murdered at any age (fetus all the way to elderly) will say it wasn't okay. Murder is never okay. Victimizing anyone is never okay. People still do it. We can't change them, even by forcing our views on them. This is how people go "underground" and do things unsafely, so rather than just the unborn baby's death, the mother's life could also be jeopardized. I see abortion as a harm reduction method - because she will choose an abortion whether it's legal and safe or not.

It used to be illegal to have an abortion so did liberalism not apply then, but then it became legal, so does liberalism now apply?

My thinking applies to both conservative and liberal politics. I am very strong in my understanding of harm reduction, and stand by it.

but its devotees are what's called "science deniers" since the unborn child is not just a clump of cells (as used to be the standard excuse).

I believe a fetus is a baby right from conception. There are those who don't. That is their choice to deny what my faith tells me is true. So yes, it is the standard "excuse" but not by all of us who are devoted to self-determination. In fact, I am quite bemused by the idea that a fetus is a lump of cells if the fetus is unwanted, but a baby if it is wanted. A pregnant woman will always refer to the baby growing inside her when it is wanted. That same woman will refer to a fetus as a lump of cells that requires "surgery" if it is not wanted.

 

[Stravinsk]

As for the video, sexually different people are no more likely to commit crimes of power (sexual crimes are more about power-over than about sex) than hetero. It is never okay to commit crime of any kind. Period.

In the same way animal abusers are no more likely to commit acts of violence against people.

 

[Messy]

In the same way animal abusers are no more likely to commit acts of violence against people.

They are abusers. A lot of trans people and homosexuals were abused by older men or women. And there are also the ones who abuse. The Dutch Bible calls those boy violators.

 

[Albion]

I believe a fetus is a baby right from conception. There are those who don't. That is their choice to deny what my faith tells me is true.

It isn't only your or their faith that determines this. You have already admitted--and correctly--that the unborn child is a human being, not some unfeeling tumor. That is a matter of science. It's a fact. And we do not get to make anything that is criminal--murder in this case--a matter of choice.

So yes, it is the standard "excuse" but not by all of us who are devoted to self-determination.

It doesn't really matter who is for or against it.

In fact, I am quite bemused by the idea that a fetus is a lump of cells if the fetus is unwanted, but a baby if it is wanted. A pregnant woman will always refer to the baby growing inside her when it is wanted. That same woman will refer to a fetus as a lump of cells that requires "surgery" if it is not wanted.

Again, that's irrelevant. It is a fact that it's a child.