Noah's flood

[Jazzy]

Noah's flood is one of the most recognized Bible stories. According to the Old Testament, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11, English Standard Version).

As the text recounts, God saw wickedness within humans and sent a global inundation. Because Noah was righteous, God instructed him to build an ark for his family and save two of every beast, bird and creeping thing.

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Debate question: Did Noah's flood really happen? (Also, why or why not)

 

[Messy]

Yes and because they don't believe that, they have interpreted the earth layers with fossils all wrong.

All those stories are similar, because after the flood and the tower of Babel people spread over the world.

 

[Lees]

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Debate question: Did Noah's flood really happen? (Also, why or why not)

Yes, Noah's flood happened. Because the Bible says so. And just as Messy said, similar stories exist because Noah and his family were the ones who passed down those stories. So you should find them everywhere.

The main thing to remember about Noah and the flood, is that everything about it was miraculous. It was from God from beginning to end.

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[Stravinsk]

One of the reasons the "answersingenesis" website was founded was to answer this question. I think they do a good job of it (on this issue) even though I don't agree with some other (non-related) postulations they make.

 

[Stravinsk]

What is @Jazzy 's opinion on the matter?

 

[rstrats]

Jazzy,
re: "As the text recounts, God saw wickedness within humans and sent a global inundation. Because Noah was righteous, God instructed him to build an ark for his family and save two of every beast, bird and creeping thing."


Actually, verse 7:2 is more specific - it was 2 each of every unclean animal and 7 each of every clean animal.

 

[Ammi]

I believe that Samyaza and company corrupted the genetics of humans and animals which led from a sinful world to a violent, corrupt world. The Lord kept Noah genetically pure and started mankind over again from him. Those not on the ark were destroyed by the flood.
I am aware of what the world teaches, but they also say that there is no God. I believe Genesis to Revelation.

 

[Lamb]

I believe that Samyaza and company corrupted the genetics of humans and animals which led from a sinful world to a violent, corrupt world. The Lord kept Noah genetically pure and started mankind over again from him. Those not on the ark were destroyed by the flood.
I am aware of what the world teaches, but they also say that there is no God. I believe Genesis to Revelation.

What's the biblical sources for that?

 

[Ammi]

I accept 1 Enoch as inspired.

 

[Ammi]

I accept 1 Enoch as inspired.

Most do not.

 

[Stravinsk]

I accept 1 Enoch as inspired.

I am only somewhat familiar with Enochian literature. Perhaps you can quote chapter and verse.

Also, don't mind Origen's "X" on your post. He rarely contributes much of substance here and likes the dislike button.

 

[Ammi]

I am only somewhat familiar with Enochian literature. Perhaps you can quote chapter and verse.

Also, don't mind Origen's "X" on your post. He rarely contributes much of substance here and likes the dislike button.

Chapters 1-36 of 1 Enoch is called the book of the Watchers. I recommend the R.H. Charles translation. I read it as I believed the Lord led me to read it. I don't, as a rule, recommend reading outside of the canon. Including Enoch. The apostle Jude referred to Enoch as a prophet and Jude vv. 14 & 15 are a quote of 1 Enoch 1:9. I have my belief about this book...others should make up their own minds about it.
Many disagree with me regarding Enoch. I understand why. Until I was led to the book of Enoch, I had no interest in reading outside of the canon. In fact, I was afraid to. There's a lot of bad stuff out there, such as the gospel of Thomas. I started reading the bible in 1973 and I need to be careful about what I read. What I got out of Enoch just expanded my understanding of what I believe scripture states. Shalom!

 

[Messy]

What's the biblical sources for that?

There was a book of Enoch. If this one is the original I don't know, but the Bible refers to Enoch who prophesied, so that must have been in it.

Jude 14-15​

14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

Genesis 6

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[a] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were [b]giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then [c]the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent[d] of the thoughts of his heart was only evil [e]continually.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.


No mention of
Samyaza and company corrupting the genetics of humans and animals In Genesis, but the sons of God are in it and they corrupted the human race by getting giants with women and the animals turned out corrupt too.

 

[Ammi]

I believe that Genesis 6:9 refers to Noah as having uncorrupted genes.
"These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." Genesis 6:9
I believe Matthew 24:37 includes genetic corruption.
"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." - Matthew 24:37

 

[Lamb]

Chapters 1-36 of 1 Enoch is called the book of the Watchers. I recommend the R.H. Charles translation. I read it as I believed the Lord led me to read it. I don't, as a rule, recommend reading outside of the canon. Including Enoch. The apostle Jude referred to Enoch as a prophet and Jude vv. 14 & 15 are a quote of 1 Enoch 1:9. I have my belief about this book...others should make up their own minds about it.
Many disagree with me regarding Enoch. I understand why. Until I was led to the book of Enoch, I had no interest in reading outside of the canon. In fact, I was afraid to. There's a lot of bad stuff out there, such as the gospel of Thomas. I started reading the bible in 1973 and I need to be careful about what I read. What I got out of Enoch just expanded my understanding of what I believe scripture states. Shalom!

I don't consider the book of Enoch to be canonical scripture. I didn't know the Reformed did?

 

[Stravinsk]

I believe that Samyaza and company corrupted the genetics of humans and animals which led from a sinful world to a violent, corrupt world. The Lord kept Noah genetically pure and started mankind over again from him. Those not on the ark were destroyed by the flood.
I am aware of what the world teaches, but they also say that there is no God. I believe Genesis to Revelation.

I accept 1 Enoch as inspired.

I am only somewhat familiar with Enochian literature. Perhaps you can quote chapter and verse.

Also, don't mind Origen's "X" on your post. He rarely contributes much of substance here and likes the dislike button.

Chapters 1-36 of 1 Enoch is called the book of the Watchers. I recommend the R.H. Charles translation. I read it as I believed the Lord led me to read it. I don't, as a rule, recommend reading outside of the canon. Including Enoch. The apostle Jude referred to Enoch as a prophet and Jude vv. 14 & 15 are a quote of 1 Enoch 1:9. I have my belief about this book...others should make up their own minds about it.
Many disagree with me regarding Enoch. I understand why. Until I was led to the book of Enoch, I had no interest in reading outside of the canon. In fact, I was afraid to. There's a lot of bad stuff out there, such as the gospel of Thomas. I started reading the bible in 1973 and I need to be careful about what I read. What I got out of Enoch just expanded my understanding of what I believe scripture states. Shalom!

36 chapters is a fair amount to read to highlight one point about "racial purity". I'd much rather you, as the holder of the view using Enoch as a source, highlight the relevant passages rather than leave it to me to search them out.

 

[Ammi]

I don't consider the book of Enoch to be canonical scripture. I didn't know the Reformed did?

I, nor as far as I know, the CRC, consider Enoch to be canonical. Long before the canon of scripture, Enoch was widely accepted and read. It is my personal opinion that it is inspired, as it is that the book is antediluvial. It has helped me understand biblical scripture such as Genesis 6. I am aware of the good sons of Seth and the wicked daughters of Cain thinking, which I reject. I do not expect anyone to hold similar views, though many do. I believe we are the remote generation that Enoch talked about.

 

[Ammi]

36 chapters is a fair amount to read to highlight one point about "racial purity". I'd much rather you, as the holder of the view using Enoch as a source, highlight the relevant passages rather than leave it to me to search them out.

In my opinion, Genesis 6:9 is talking about Noah's pure genetics. Otherwise, if he was genetically corrupt, he could not have been used to repopulate mankind. - 1 Enoch chs. 1-36 elaborate on this verse. IMO

 

[Albion]

None of the Bible versions approved for use in the Christian Reformed Church of N.A. include the book of Enoch, nor is that writing considered by the church to be "inspired" in the usual sense of that word (suggesting a divine or supernatural origin).

Allegedly, there is only one branch of Christianity in the whole world that accepts Enoch as canonical, and that is the Ethiopian Orthodox Church (no relation to the so-called "Greek" or Eastern" Orthodox churches).

 

[Ammi]

It is my opinion that while not in the general canon, the book of Enoch is inspired. It was found in the dead sea scrolls.
Enoch is the one exception I make to not reading outside of the canon.
I never said that the CRC accepted Enoch. I did say that they do NOT accept it as canon.
As I do not wish to debate this subject ad nauseum, I've said all I wish to say about Enoch. Shalom.