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Does your church hymnal have triangles in some of the hymns? In Lutheran hymnals, those triangles indicate that the last verse is one that proclaims the holy Trinity and we stand in worship of Him.
 

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We don’t use hymnals. All the song lyrics are on the screens.
 

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With the music too?
The music is played and sung by the praise band and we sing along with the lyrics on the screens. Video cameras capture the band on the screens too.
 

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The music is played and sung by the praise band and we sing along with the lyrics on the screens. Video cameras capture the band on the screens too.

What I mean is you aren't looking at the actual music on the screen? It sounds as if you don't sing hymns?
 

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What I mean is you aren't looking at the actual music on the screen? It sounds as if you don't sing hymns?
Just the lyrics and video of the band are on the screen when we sing. We sing hymns, albeit they sound contemporary, and we sing contemporary Christian music.
 

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Just the lyrics and video of the band are on the screen when we sing. We sing hymns, albeit they sound contemporary, and we sing contemporary Christian music.
Excuse me, but a Lutheran congregation that sings contemporary Christian music instead of using the hymnal, and follows the lyrics and the music of a band as projected on a wall screen? :unsure:
 

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Excuse me, but a Lutheran congregation that sings contemporary Christian music instead of using the hymnal, and follows the lyrics and the music of a band as projected on a wall screen? :unsure:
Yep. I asked my pastor about it being so contemporary and he said something like the theology and message is the same but they have the freedom to vary their worship style. He also said that churches like mine have been pressured to become more traditional but different people prefer different styles of worship and we’re allowed the freedom to do it this way.
If it were more similar to Catholic style I’d just become Catholic again. I like the way my church does things.
 

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Excuse me, but a Lutheran congregation that sings contemporary Christian music instead of using the hymnal, and follows the lyrics and the music of a band as projected on a wall screen? :unsure:
It’s not all contemporary. We sing more traditional songs, they just have a contemporary sound to them.
 

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Yep. I asked my pastor about it being so contemporary and he said something like the theology and message is the same but they have the freedom to vary their worship style.
He's right about that. In principle. But in this instance it means abandoning reverent elements of the Christian faith that Lutherans have been known for preserving, not abandoning. It's just strange (to me) to read the description you gave of a Lutheran worship service made over to be more like a Baptist service.

Of course, the Catholic Church has decided to make its own Masses casual and folksy, so you're in good company, we might say.

He also said that churches like mine have been pressured to become more traditional
after having been pressured to be more modern. ;)
If it were more similar to Catholic style I’d just become Catholic again. I like the way my church does things.
That's interesting to me to read, considering that it's matters of doctrine that seem to have troubled you the most and made your choice of churches more difficult, not matters of style.
 

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He's right about that. In principle. But in this instance it means abandoning reverent elements of the Christian faith that Lutherans have been known for preserving, not abandoning. It's just strange (to me) to read the description you gave of a Lutheran worship service made over to be more like a Baptist service.

Of course, the Catholic Church has decided to make its own Masses casual and folksy, so you're in good company, we might say.


after having been pressured to be more modern. ;)

That's interesting to me to read, considering that it's matters of doctrine that seem to have troubled you the most and made your choice of churches more difficult, not matters of style.

You hit on a lot of points that matter.

The Lutheran liturgical service is about God giving us life through His gifts. It's how HE wants to be worshipped! He serves us in our liturgy through His word and sacraments, feeding us to build faith.

This is in direct opposition to the contemporary church services that were actually designed to bring about an emotion so that an altar call can be made. Listen to the words of the music and compare...the contemporary songs will be about what I'm doing for God but the Lutheran music is primarily what God has done and is doing for us.
 

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This is in direct opposition to the contemporary church services that were actually designed to bring about an emotion so that an altar call can be made. Listen to the words of the music and compare...the contemporary songs will be about what I'm doing for God but the Lutheran music is primarily what God has done and is doing for us.
That's a good point (and one that I was not thinking of when I wrote my post).

Aside from matters of reverence or history, etc., the Lutheran worship service is about...worship. Just like the worship services of most of the other historic churches (Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox, and a few more).

By contrast, most Protestant churches are focused on instruction and bringing people to make a commitment to Christ. The worship service, as worship, is not viewed in the same way. That fact expresses itself in altar calls, praise bands, an absence of the Eucharist, etc.
 

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That's a good point (and one that I was not thinking of when I wrote my post).

Aside from matters of reverence or history, etc., the Lutheran worship service is about...worship. Just like the worship services of most of the other historic churches (Anglican, Catholic, Orthodox, and a few more).

By contrast, most Protestant churches are focused on instruction and bringing people to make a commitment to Christ. The worship service, as worship, is not viewed in the same way. That fact expresses itself in altar calls, praise bands, an absence of the Eucharist, etc.
We have the Eucharist twice monthly.
 

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We have the Eucharist twice monthly.
For sure, it varies somewhat in both kinds of churches. In the historic denominations, weekly Communion is common and then some parishes have it bi-weekly.

In the fundamentalist and/or non-liturgical denominations, monthly Communion OR quarterly (four times a year) is more often the rule. So, there is a difference, even if it's not easy to describe precisely.

Considering the Lutheran belief about what the Eucharist IS, I'd expect the schedule you told us about to be maintained even while the hymns and so on have been modified.
 

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This is in direct opposition to the contemporary church services that were actually designed to bring about an emotion so that an altar call can be made. Listen to the words of the music and compare...the contemporary songs will be about what I'm doing for God but the Lutheran music is primarily what God has done and is doing for us.

Not all contemporary songs are full of fluff like this, although a depressing number of them are.

If you read the words to songs from places like Bethel you'd either wonder what they were talking about or figure it was all about me me me. From what I can see Hillsong ranges from some quite good stuff to absolute drivel. Some of the older contemporary songs focus on what Jesus has done, who God is etc.

A song like "you laid aside your majesty" looks at what Jesus has done for us and our response to that.
 

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For sure, it varies somewhat in both kinds of churches. In the historic denominations, weekly Communion is common and then some parishes have it bi-weekly.

In the fundamentalist and/or non-liturgical denominations, monthly Communion OR quarterly (four times a year) is more often the rule. So, there is a difference, even if it's not easy to describe precisely.

Considering the Lutheran belief about what the Eucharist IS, I'd expect the schedule you told us about to be maintained even while the hymns and so on have been modified.
Yes, but I’d prefer Holy Communion every week.
 

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Yes, but I’d prefer Holy Communion every week.
It's claimed that having it weekly would make the people take the sacrament for granted, but I don't think that's so.

It certainly is not what happens in parishes/congregations where it IS celebrated weekly. And having it weekly doesn't mean there's no time for instruction, hymn-singing, or so.
 

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It's claimed that having it weekly would make the people take the sacrament for granted, but I don't think that's so.

It certainly is not what happens in parishes/congregations where it IS celebrated weekly. And having it weekly doesn't mean there's no time for instruction, hymn-singing, or so.
i agree.
 

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He's right about that. In principle. But in this instance it means abandoning reverent elements of the Christian faith that Lutherans have been known for preserving, not abandoning. It's just strange (to me) to read the description you gave of a Lutheran worship service made over to be more like a Baptist service.

Of course, the Catholic Church has decided to make its own Masses casual and folksy, so you're in good company, we might say.


after having been pressured to be more modern. ;)

That's interesting to me to read, considering that it's matters of doctrine that seem to have troubled you the most and made your choice of churches more difficult, not matters of style.
It’s all I know. I’ve only been to a traditional Lutheran church once, about 35 years ago, and if I didn’t know any better I would’ve thought that I was at a Catholic Mass.
 
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