How patriotic are you?

[Lamb]

How patriotic are you?

 

[Messy]

I think I'd just leave to wherever if the Russians tried to invade us. That guy from Ukrain is nasty that he forced men to stay and fight. One pastor could escape just in time. I'd think: Let Putin have the country and let them all live in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium etc.

 

[Albion]

How patriotic are you?

Oh, patriotic. For a moment there I thought you'd asked how pathetic we are.

 

[Albion]

I think I'd just leave to wherever if the Russians tried to invade us. That guy from Ukrain is nasty that he forced men to stay and fight. One pastor could escape just in time. I'd think: Let Putin have the country and let them all live in Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium etc.

What do you recommend when he them moves against Finland and other parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East that were also once part of the Soviet Union? The Netherlands and Belgium would be getting pretty crowded!

 

[atpollard]

Technically, the entire world population could fit in an apartment building covering the state of Texas … the there is actually LOTS of room. There are just too few owning too much of it.

 

[atpollard]

How patriotic are you?

“Let ‘em come and we’ll stack their bodies like firewood” patriotic.

 

[Albion]

Technically, the entire world population could fit in an apartment building covering the state of Texas … the there is actually LOTS of room. There are just too few owning too much of it.

If you think that it would be possible for anyone to exist and function on a space that's smaller than a coffee table, that is.

 

[atpollard]

If you think that it would be possible for anyone to exist and function on a space that's smaller than a coffee table, that is.

Show me the math.

 

[atpollard]

Here is some math for you.
There are 746 million people in Europe. If we SQUEZE them onto 1 acre lots PER PERSON (4 acres for a husband, wife and two children) that will require 746 million acres. 746 million acres = 1.2 million square miles. Europe is 4.1 million square miles, so we could CROWD those 1 acre per person lots onto 29% of Europe and leave the other 71% of Europe unpopulated.

 

[Lamb]

Oh, patriotic. For a moment there I thought you'd asked how pathetic we are.

That will be my next thread!

 

[Albion]

Here is some math for you.
There are 746 million people in Europe. If we SQUEZE them onto 1 acre lots PER PERSON (4 acres for a husband, wife and two children) that will require 746 million acres. 746 million acres = 1.2 million square miles. Europe is 4.1 million square miles, so we could CROWD those 1 acre per person lots onto 29% of Europe and leave the other 71% of Europe unpopulated.

"Unpopulated." Yes, farmland that is essential for human life is "unpopulated."

So is every factory, rail yard, highway, airport, woodlot, business district, and pasture. No need for housing, of course, in your dream of the future, because that takes up space on which humans could theoretically be standing, shoulder to shoulder--which is all that your schema actually envisions.

Anything and everything that is necessary for human life to exist, as opposed to hypothetically stacking bodies, puts the lie to that notion. It's interesting in a way to know how much territory would be used up if all the bodies of humans on Earth were stacked up like cordwood, but that's about all.

 

[Messy]

Everyone wants to have a house. There is no space for that. Just make those apartments silent, cause a whining neighbour is annoying. Meanwhile you can get a house for free in Spain, cause noone wants to live in those villages. There is space enough. It's all about money. Why don't they just work together. Give Spain a bag of money, so ppl can go live there.
Some Dutch ppl were complaining online that they had no nice parks. They want it all. And a house and a garden and a park. Bye. In my city we're crammed in big flats, but we do have a park for everyone.

 

[atpollard]

"Unpopulated." Yes, farmland that is essential for human life is "unpopulated."

So is every factory, rail yard, highway, airport, woodlot, business district, and pasture. No need for housing, of course, in your dream of the future, because that takes up space on which humans could theoretically be standing, shoulder to shoulder--which is all that your schema actually envisions.

Anything and everything that is necessary for human life to exist, as opposed to hypothetically stacking bodies, puts the lie to that notion. It's interesting in a way to know how much territory would be used up if all the bodies of humans on Earth were stacked up like cordwood, but that's about all.

As I expected … lots of opinions, but no math.
(vertical farming … look it up.)

 

[Albion]

As I expected … lots of opinions, but no math.
(vertical farming … look it up.)

That's right. I was concerned to present the "real-world" situation instead.

All sorts of schemes and theories look good in the laboratory or on the drawing board, except that they don't work when tried out in a real society with real people.

 

[Messy]

As I expected … lots of opinions, but no math.
(vertical farming … look it up.)

Had never heard of that. You can put plants in a flat, but not cows, although, why not? I was once jealous when I biked my kids back to their dad and I saw a horse in a gigantic field, while we have one bedroom for 4. Animals go first. They wanted to build houses for immigrants, but too bad, there were badgers, so the houses didn't get built.

 

[tango]

If you think that it would be possible for anyone to exist and function on a space that's smaller than a coffee table, that is.

Stop whining, all you actually need is a small pod with a machine that feeds you exactly what you need to exist. You know, like the little pods in The Matrix. We could easily fit several thousand humans into not much more space than a decent barn.

People who want to do more than the absolute minimum to exist are selfish. Apparently.

 

[Albion]

But, but...

Where do the people who produce the goods needed for the pod people to exist create it, deliver it, service the machines, work on the information to be given to the pod people, and so on...live and work themselves??

I know, "Never mind." It's like any other liberal scheme that works on paper but only on paper.

 

[Messy]

Stop whining, all you actually need is a small pod with a machine that feeds you exactly what you need to exist. You know, like the little pods in The Matrix. We could easily fit several thousand humans into not much more space than a decent barn.

People who want to do more than the absolute minimum to exist are selfish. Apparently.

We live with 4 in a 1 bedroom apt. It's so nice to live in an apartment. Especially when there's a neighbour who's always home and complains about everything. Your front door closes too hard. I was once talking to an American in the train and very patriottic I was bragging to him how social we are in the Netherlands and I was sitting on the stairs, cause the train was full and didnt pay attention, so a guy stepped over my head, grumbling: Get out of the way! So I texted that to the American and he said: Yeah they're as social as rats!

 

[tango]

But, but...

Where do the people who produce the goods needed for the pod people to exist create it, deliver it, service the machines, work on the information to be given to the pod people, and so on...live and work themselves??

I know, "Never mind." It's like any other liberal scheme that works on paper but only on paper.

Why do you need goods for people who live in a pod, fed through a tube with exactly what they need as determined by a machine? All you need is The Matrix.

 

[tango]

We live with 4 in a 1 bedroom apt. It's so nice to live in an apartment. Especially when there's a neighbour who's always home and complains about everything. Your front door closes too hard. I was once talking to an American in the train and very patriottic I was bragging to him how social we are in the Netherlands and I was sitting on the stairs, cause the train was full and didnt pay attention, so a guy stepped over my head, grumbling: Get out of the way! So I texted that to the American and he said: Yeah they're as social as rats!

Some people like living in an apartment. Some people like living in a detached house. Some people like living in the center of everything and accept a lack of living space as the price to pay for that. Some people like living somewhere more remote.

That's the beauty of capitalism. You can decide for yourself what your priorities are and live accordingly. You live on ramen noodles for months so you can save the money for a shiny new phone if that's your thing.