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resist the Holy Spirit

By the way even that is forgivable. I meant sinning against the Spirit.

For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

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[brightfame52]

Lol if that's pride... That's the bare minimum. Lets go boast that you weren't so evil as to resist the Holy Spirit when you saw His power. Might as well boast that you're not as evil as a demon. And by the way if that's pride, this is exactly what Paul said:

And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, 13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an [d]insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.

Yes, you proud of your humility, thats why you were saved, others not humble like you God doesnt save. Proud of your virtue.

 

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[brightfame52]

God saves anyone who calls upon His Name. Not some special elect. First the Jews thought they were elect, cause they were natural offspring from Abraham and then Calvin thought he was elect. We must just simply do what He says. Repent and get saved. Seak and you will find. Call upon His Name. Whosoever, simply be in the whosoever.
Servetus was elect, a christian Jew who called upon the Name of the Lord, part of the remnant.

You proud of your humility, its all about what you do

 

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[brightfame52]

Pfffff. Do you have a scratch on your tongue? You already said that. Listen to that preacher. 16:20
I have here 10.000 dollar and everyone who wants it may have it. Hands up in the air if you want it. Too bad. I elected jopie.
Now I stop this nonsense talk. This guy is right. It's useless Plato talk nonsense.

You still condition salvation on man, you stuck on that

 

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messy

I have here 10.000 dollar and everyone who wants it may have it. Hands up in the air if you want it

Wonder if they are dead, no life in them. Could they hear you, could they put hands up in the air ? See man by nature is spiritually dead friend.

 

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[brightfame52]

But not physically dead and God gives faith, so you can respond. A spiritual dead person can still search God.

God gives them faith when He gives them life. So until they have life given to them they are dead spiritually. You want and think spiritually dead folk can do spiritual activity, sorry but you wrong, thats as foolish as supposing people can do physical activity while they are physically dead. Can a physically dead person hear physically ? Raise his or her hand physically,

 

[brightfame52]

That's exactly what Peter did. He said get saved. If it isn't possible, why say it? Only in John 6, after the feeding of the 5000 or something, they were not your regular heathen atheist, but Jews, they saw God's power and still said no it's too hard and then He said: it is not given to you, but God is not a respector of persons and if you draw near to Him, He draws near to you and if you search, you will find and yes it is His work, He gives the Word and that becomes faith if the soil is not hard, cause then the birds come. How does it get hard? By saying no and hardening yourself, but that was for those ppl, not for your regular heathen atheist. For instance my dad could not believe. It's not that he didnt want to. So you just pray and bind the demons that blind him and have patience, keep praying. 1 Timothy God wants everyone saved. Then one day my mom said he had to get saved now and he did. God did the miracle. I agree that it is a miracle.

As long as you condition salvation on man, you stuck there like a broken record.

 

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[brightfame52]

If you dump everything on God, nothing ever happens. God does His part. We must do our part. Lazarus had to walk when Jesus said: Lazarus come forth. He even works it in us, but we can't do nothing and not respond. That's what they do in some old reformed churches. Go to church every sunday and wait until God maybe wants to save you one day.

Now you talking crazy, Salvation is of God. You cant stop conditioning salvation on man, thats not good.

 

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If you dump everything on God, nothing ever happens. God does His part. We must do our part.

then Jesus is not the Savior.
He might be PART Savior (the part that actually doesn't save anyone)
He might be the one who makes it POSSIBLE for each to save self.
He might be the teacher or inspiration or even helper.
But if God does nothing, He can't save, can He - and thus cannot be the Savior.

If Jesus is the Savior, then we aren't (job is taken).

Lazarus had to walk when Jesus said: Lazarus come forth.

FIRST Jesus gave him life. THEN he could respond.
Jesus saved Him. Then he responded.


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Once He gives you faith...

Right.

God GIVES. God SAVES. He does ALL the action in justification. 100%. Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide - SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Yes, once HE has saved us... once HE has given us life.... once HE has given us faith.... THEN we are Called to great things (perfection, holiness, to love even as He first loved us, etc., etc., etc. But order is important.

The lost are not incapable of doing anything.

I disagree. The dead, unregenerate, atheistic, enemies of God CANNOT save themselves. IF they could, then Jesus doesn't need to save them, they can do it themselves.

God can work in them and save them or make them search for Him, check if He exists.

Which is it?

God does it or self does it? Or is it some combo: Jesus is part savior (the part that doesn't save anyone) and self is part Savior (the part that actually is responsible for saving self)?

IMO, Jesus is the Savior. Jesus does the saving. Not self. YES, once GIVEN life, once GIVEN faith, once GIVEN justification - the justified person, the now child of God is called to love and obedience. But our love and obedience is not what causes our justification, it is what flows from it.



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[brightfame52]

They do this. People may not get the wine and bread, although they have been believing in God since they were small kids, because they may not do anything. God has to do everything. And they wait and wait for God to one day save them until they meet an evangelical who just says: hey Jesus died for everyone. Whosoever wants may come. Pray the sinner's prayer and repeat after me...

As long as you condition salvation on man, you are in grave error friend.